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(10-14-2016 08:45 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This is ESPN and Fox paying to fatten up The Big 12 and keep them content for a few more years. Come '22 or '23 ESPN and Fox will part out The Big 12 like an old Chevy.
CJ

I'm sure it is more to it than just the pro-rata clause. I would bet the Big 12 will have something from Fox and ESPN that would prevent them from doing what you are saying CJ.
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(10-14-2016 09:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Hard to believe that the Big XII would take a short-term financial gain rather than developing the conference long-term, isn't it? I mean they've never done that before since the last time they did it.

Huge mistake allowing teams to keep their own tier 3 rights instead of creating a conference TV network.

Another huge mistake having enough Texas teams (40% of the conference) to block expansion all by themselves.

As bad as the Texas A&M / Missouri exodus was, the death blow may have been dealt by Nebraska and Colorado - two teams which the conference NEVER replaced (another huge mistake).

This would be funny if it wasn't so sad and true...:03-banghead
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(10-14-2016 08:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "Sources said"

S.o.s. I don't click on anymore.

Thamel isn't some dorky blogger....
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Can we see some major lawsuits by the schools that went through the dance and beauty contest, and got nothing for their hard work in presenting their case to join? The Big 12 should ignored that offer and go ahead and add teams. It will make them look bad, and be hated by the whole country for putting people on edge.
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(10-14-2016 09:09 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 09:05 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "Sources said"

S.o.s. I don't click on anymore.

Pete Thamel isn't The Dude....
If he is reporting it he has spoken with someone in the know.

I hate it for good deserving programs like Houston, Memphis and Cincinnati and UCONN but what can you say it's The Big 12. They are in this situation because of terrible decisions.

It's obvious to anyone that pays close attention that expansion had zero chance of passing because Texas nor Oklahoma is one bit interested in signing a GOR extension. No extension, no expansion, simple as that...
CJ

You forgot a school......again.

Sydney Blumenthal and UCONN are linked permanently because of the lawsuit. No conference wants UCONN because of their willingness to sue. Just a guess.
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We'll have to see, but this is one outcome that I think is pretty good for the Big12. The league gets a pro rata increase mid contract without having to get bigger like other conferences have had to do in order to increase revenue. Plus there is the CCG revenue. Big 12 haters will spin it negatively, but this would have to be considered a win for the league if true.
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(10-14-2016 10:46 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  We'll have to see, but this is one outcome that I think is pretty good for the Big12. The league gets a pro rata increase mid contract without having to get bigger like other conferences have had to do in order to increase revenue. Plus there is the CCG revenue. Big 12 haters will spin it negatively, but this would have to be considered a win for the league if true.

Will they create divisions and drop to 8 conference games? Having a round robin and then a title game seems odd.
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(10-14-2016 10:46 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  We'll have to see, but this is one outcome that I think is pretty good for the Big12. The league gets a pro rata increase mid contract without having to get bigger like other conferences have had to do in order to increase revenue. Plus there is the CCG revenue. Big 12 haters will spin it negatively, but this would have to be considered a win for the league if true.

There's a lot more reasons the other conferences are getting bigger.

As the runt, certain fans of the Big12 should be worried those conferences are not finished getting bigger.

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(10-14-2016 08:17 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  "The Big 12’s three-month expansion exploration saga appears to be grinding to an anti-climactic conclusion. The league’s presidents will meet at Dallas Fort/Worth International Airport for a working dinner on Sunday night and an all-day meeting from 8 a.m. until 4 p.m. on Monday. Interviews with sources from the Big 12, the television industry and schools involved in the expansion process indicate the league’s most likely outcome is not expanding.

While that’s not a definitive consensus, a new development with the league’s television partners has made not expanding the most likely scenario. Multiple sources indicated there have been discussions with the Big 12’s TV partners to pay the league not to expand. The purpose of the payment would be to eliminate the pro rata clause in the TV contract—which the TV officials consider a loophole—that enables the league to receive nearly $25 million annually for every school it adds. The willingness of ESPN and Fox to discuss paying to eliminate that clause and end future potential expansion drama in upcoming years makes not expanding the most likely conclusion.

“If they put more money up and bought out that pro rata clause, we’ll likely keep ourselves at 10,” speculated a high-ranking Big 12 source."




http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...n-unlikely
Pete Thamel may know his stuff, but I think he's wrong on this one. There's an interesting article about WVU on the SEC board that talks about Big 12 expansion. I will add it here as soon as I find it.
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Come home from a great night of dinner & drinks w/ my wife to watch Fresno get their sorry ass kicked then I see this news that is 10 times worse. Thanks f*cking Thamel!
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I think this is probably smart on the Big 12 part if they can get ESPN/FOX on board. If they are willing to pay extra now to get rid of that clause there is no way they will pay extra for those teams for a new contract (unless a lot changes in the next few years). That means expansion could well mean less per team next time (even if more overall) which would help push Texas/Oklahoma away rather than pushing them to stay.

That said, I'm rooting for Cincinnati to get in for friends.
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(10-14-2016 09:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Can we see some major lawsuits by the schools that went through the dance and beauty contest, and got nothing for their hard work in presenting their case to join? The Big 12 should ignored that offer and go ahead and add teams. It will make them look bad, and be hated by the whole country for putting people on edge.

I'd love this. I need my entertainments.

But yeah, they got a BE prob b/c they really are just too small. They shoulda gone w/ Houston & N. Mex. and just hunkered down...
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(10-14-2016 09:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Hard to believe that the Big XII would take a short-term financial gain rather than developing the conference long-term, isn't it? I mean they've never done that before since the last time they did it.

Huge mistake allowing teams to keep their own tier 3 rights instead of creating a conference TV network.

Another huge mistake having enough Texas teams (40% of the conference) to block expansion all by themselves.

As bad as the Texas A&M / Missouri exodus was, the death blow may have been dealt by Nebraska and Colorado - two teams which the conference NEVER replaced (another huge mistake).

Well, I still maintain the B12 doesn't have enough of a footprint to warrant a successful network, but am willing to admit I could be wrong about that, you nailed it with your first and last paragraphs.

The B12 got an increase the last round despite losing a championship game, losing Nebraska, A&M, Colorado, and Mizzou and only gaining TCU and WVU. And it was enough of an increase to ensure that even today, their per team TV contract is slightly higher than the ACC's.

Now there is a possibility they are going to get extra money for renewing a championship game, keeping their Tier3 rights (which have some value but are hardly the cash cow some have wanted us to believe) and for not expanding?

The ACC (and perhaps even the SEC more due to the B1G but this could get the B12 closer to them as well) might regret extending their GOR through the mid 2030's as a result of this.

Interesting (and potentially frustrating for an ACC fan) times ahead.

Cheers,
Neil
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(10-14-2016 10:33 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 09:09 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 09:05 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "Sources said"

S.o.s. I don't click on anymore.

Pete Thamel isn't The Dude....
If he is reporting it he has spoken with someone in the know.

I hate it for good deserving programs like Houston, Memphis and Cincinnati and UCONN but what can you say it's The Big 12. They are in this situation because of terrible decisions.

It's obvious to anyone that pays close attention that expansion had zero chance of passing because Texas nor Oklahoma is one bit interested in signing a GOR extension. No extension, no expansion, simple as that...
CJ

You forgot a school......again.

Sydney Blumenthal and UCONN are linked permanently because of the lawsuit. No conference wants UCONN because of their willingness to sue. Just a guess.

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(10-15-2016 06:30 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 09:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Hard to believe that the Big XII would take a short-term financial gain rather than developing the conference long-term, isn't it? I mean they've never done that before since the last time they did it.

Huge mistake allowing teams to keep their own tier 3 rights instead of creating a conference TV network.

Another huge mistake having enough Texas teams (40% of the conference) to block expansion all by themselves.

As bad as the Texas A&M / Missouri exodus was, the death blow may have been dealt by Nebraska and Colorado - two teams which the conference NEVER replaced (another huge mistake).

Well, I still maintain the B12 doesn't have enough of a footprint to warrant a successful network, but am willing to admit I could be wrong about that, you nailed it with your first and last paragraphs.

The B12 got an increase the last round despite losing a championship game, losing Nebraska, A&M, Colorado, and Mizzou and only gaining TCU and WVU. And it was enough of an increase to ensure that even today, their per team TV contract is slightly higher than the ACC's.

Now there is a possibility they are going to get extra money for renewing a championship game, keeping their Tier3 rights (which have some value but are hardly the cash cow some have wanted us to believe) and for not expanding?

The ACC (and perhaps even the SEC more due to the B1G but this could get the B12 closer to them as well) might regret extending their GOR through the mid 2030's as a result of this.

Interesting (and potentially frustrating times for an ACC fan) ahead.

Cheers,
Neil

Maybe Neil, but some of us remember when our conference champion played in Tampa or Jacksonville while all of the other conference champions got invitations to Miami, New Orleans, Dallas and Pasadena.
We have come a long way and most importantly we are still standing and likely to be around for a while.
The ACC has never been handed anything and we have had to elbow our way into "the conversation". The progress has been slow,because the country club set is slow to change if things are not on their terms but overall our trajectory has been positive. And like I said, we are still standing.
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Hokie #17,

Replace Nebraska and Colorado with whom?? I guess Colo St and ... ? You tell me.



And to all of you who think that just because Thamel isn't some internet blogger, that his crystal ball is legit:

No one knows anything yet! That's why all these BS articles are BS. "Sources said". No ... the presidents haven't even met yet. None of them knows anything. The earliest that something could be known is Sunday night.

Until then, there's nothing to report. This is purely the product of reporters "taking a chance" so as to be the "first one to report the news". Again, there's nothing to report. 07-coffee3


Another huge wrench into this dumb argument: why the heck are ESPN & FOX going to pay more to receive exactly the same amount of content that they already have now, paying less???? How does that make sense??? That's not how it works.
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(10-14-2016 10:33 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Sydney Blumenthal and UCONN are linked permanently because of the lawsuit. No conference wants UCONN because of their willingness to sue. Just a guess.

Wrong Blumenthal. The correct one is currently a US Senator representing CT.
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Pretty dumb to have a tittle game with 10 members.
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(10-14-2016 08:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Lol. Called it.

I called it long ago too. ESPN and FOX do NOT like any of the expansion candidates and don't want to pay $50 million a year for two of them, so it is worth it to them to buy that clause out.

BUT ... this could be just more rumor that turns out not to be true, so let's not pat ourselves on the back just yet, LOL.
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(10-14-2016 09:02 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:43 PM)Groo Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:30 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Lol. Called it.

Who would ever think they'd sully their "psychologically disadvantaged" reputation even further by conducting a 3 month long "search"... only to be bought out of your ability to grow your inventory?

Considering the Baylor scandal, and the poor performance of the conference, this only makes the Big 12 look like its on its last legs (i.e. a cash out).

A cash out would be bringing in teams at a cut rate price and then leaving at the end of the current tv contract and the end of the GOR. I prefer not adding anyone over that option.

Kansas needs to be careful they don't get UConned.

They don't have the dingy in tow that UT/OU do. It's anybody's guess whether anyone else is willing to grow for a bad football/great basketball combo in the current climate.

Good luck in luring teams later, who have a hefty exit fee, to play without UT/OU on board.

Agree about Kansas, if the Big 12 ship sinks, they are by no means certain to find a safe harbor in another P5 conference. It would be very iffy for them.

But I disagree with the second statement: If OU and TX leave, the remaining Big 12 can easily still backfill from the AAC or anywhere else. Their schools are bigger brands than the AAC, MWC, etc. schools.
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