(09-27-2016 01:06 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (09-27-2016 12:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (09-27-2016 11:51 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: Too early to say. But if this holds true, then he did pull a rabbit out of his hat.
Question, with the B12 seriously considering a number of AAC schools, if somehow Aresco can keep his league in tact, can the AAC get consideration as a power conference, and if not, why not? If these programs were good enough to be seriously considered for a power conference, why can't the AAC be a power conference.
I dont think Aresco pulled a rabbit out of his hat so much as it is the Big12 just cant get on the same page. The AAC isn't going to be a P5, but it is absolutely on its way to a huge raise if it stays intact.
But you still haven't answered the underlying question. If Houston, Cincy, USF, UCF, UConn, etc. are all good enough to warrant serious consideration to be added to a power conference (and by the way at least 4 of those WERE in a previous power conference), then why can't the AAC be a power conference again. Give me a logical, well thought out, reason. Not just because the power brokers don't like it and said so. Is there some hard cap on upward mobility?
the reason no other conference is a part of the "P" conference system is with the exception of a couple of schools in the AAC none of these other programs or conferences had a hand in building the bowl games that predated the BCS and that lead to the BCS that then lead to the playoffs
people want to forge the history of the major bowl games and they want to forget the fact that for 75+ years the Big 10 and PAC 8/10/12 built the Rose Bowl into the major event that it is today and the SEC SEC SEC built up the Sugar Bowl and the Big 8 helped make the Orange Bowl and the SWC the Cotton Bowl
all of those conferences could have kept WHAT THEY BUILT INTO MAJOR ENTERPRISES AND MONEY MAKERS and they could have continued to do things as they were and let the media declare a national champ
but they came together to "horse trade" a few teams for slots in those games to get some bigger match ups and at that time they GAVE the other conferences the chance to slot into some of those games
then the other conferences still cried because they pretended as though the major bowl system was more like the NCAAs when it was not...it was BUILT BY THE CONFERENCES and those conferences were under no obligation to let in teams to those games that had contributed NOTHING over the years to those games and the brand of those games
then with all the crying about the BCS and with more TV money offered by ESPN there was an agreement for the playoffs
but still if the G5 teams are not happy with the current situation they can always take their ball and go home they can go join with the Dig David State Division of Football and form their own playoffs and go demand hundreds of millions from ESPN or Fox or whoever and when they get told "we will pass on this opportunity thank you" they can learn a lesson in economics and supply and demand
(09-27-2016 01:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote: If Big 12 snubs expansion this year, this is what Aresco should do:
AAC GOR, with a buy out. Something unprecedented, like $50M to get out of the GOR should the Big 12 change its mind next year for example.
this is nonsense predicated on a clear lack of understanding about how a GOR works and how an exit fee works and specifically why you do not include an exit fee in a contract that also has a GOR involved
all of this has been thoroughly covered in the past and you are clearly too thick to still get it
as to the exit fee specifically just like with Maryland you as a CONFERENCE have to prove the exit fee is not punitive and $50 million to leave the AAC would be stupidly punitive
as to the GOR this is again why you have SEPARATE CONTRACTS for a GOR and for conference membership.....because with a GOR it is up to the TEAM LEAVING to prove damages for not retaining their media rights
(09-27-2016 01:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (09-27-2016 01:03 PM)MechaKnight Wrote: (09-27-2016 11:51 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: Question, with the B12 seriously considering a number of AAC schools, if somehow Aresco can keep his league in tact, can the AAC get consideration as a power conference, and if not, why not?
Probably not. The term "Power Conference" isn't anything official, it was invented by ESPN to describe the 5 conferences enormous advantages over everyone else. We would need to get the same enormous advantages first (huge TV deal, NY6 bowl contract) and then make a case for getting in on autonomy voting
(09-27-2016 11:51 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: If these programs were good enough to be seriously considered for a power conference, why can't the AAC be a power conference.
Most AAC programs are good enough to be members of a power conference, but each P5 has 1-2 superpower, blue blooded, flagship program that call the shots in negotiations. We don't have anyone like that. Which will make it hard to get those big TV & Bowl deals.
OK, I get your point. We have no Texas or Oklahoma. Having said that, what really is the difference between a Houston, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Memphis, and UConn and, for example a Texas Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, an West Virginia.
Really, what's the difference? (I'm not knocking those schools, some are good programs and I'd love to join them).
budgets, fan support, facilities among other things
lets take the teams you listed
Texas Tech has an $80 million dollar budget.....$3.2 million of that was from student fees and $1 million from other school funds
so if you subtract that from $80 million you get $75.8 million.....if you subtract 100% of the $26.5 million they got from the Big 12 that year you still have $54.3 million for a budget with ZERO university or student dollars and ZERO Big 12 dollars
dem coogs doh have a budget of $45.4 million with $26 million of that FROM SCHOOL AND STUDENT FUNDS
so Texas Tech has almost a $9 million dollar larger budget than dem coogs doh with ZERO university/student dollars and ZERO Big 12 dollars
Cincy is a budget of $53.7 with $23 from the university/students
WVU is $87 with $4.4 from the students/university
ISU is $75 with $2 from the students/university
KU is $92 with $2 from the students/university
KSU is $67 with $800k from the students/university
OkState is $93 with $8 from the students/university
TCU and Baylor are not listed because they are private, but both are spending well into the $80s and they get a lot of donations, ticket sales ect as well
USF $47 million $21 from the students and university
UCF $47.6 and $24.7 from the students and university
Memphis $43 and $18
only UConn with $72 a million budget and $28 of that from the students/university would even be close to being in the same realm financially and even then if you took away 100% of their student/university dollars and KEPT their $10 million from the AAC they would only be right at what the Big 12 schools you listed would be at with ZERO university/student dollars and ZERO Big 12 dollars
so that is the answer......fan support, alumni support and budgets that is the MAJOR difference and that is still the MAJOR difference when you take out 100% of the university and student dollars from Big 12 schools AND 100% of their Big 12 dollars
there is simply no comparison for all but UConn and even then you have to give UConn all the benefits and take it all away from Big 12 schools to get close to the same