(09-23-2016 03:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 02:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 02:37 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 12:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 11:50 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  JR I really don't disagree with you. My entire argument is based on the idea that Texas wants to squeeze every last penny out of the BIGXII and that Oklahoma is internally at odds out of where they want to go ( B1G,PAC,SEC) and who they want to go with ( OSU,KU,UT,ISU,TTU,WVU,???)

I think this is why they want to expand. You bring in a few members and see what you can get out of it, all the while you watch the other P5's to see what they do, and try to figure out where you fit. If the BIGXII succeeds, OU and UT win. If it fails OU and UT win, they're in a great position to wait it out and see what happens.

Where I absolutely and unequivocally agree with you, if they do nothing in the next year, the BIGXII is dead. Oklahoma and Texas will bolt and the best parts of the BIGXII will go with them (KU,OSU,WVU,TTU,ISU). Should be fun to watch either way

I think JR's premise is solid and a popular one. But an argument can also be made that the Big 12 will survive. Especially if they finally get done with this circus and actually add 4 teams, which I still think they do.

As JR says, we will know before long. I don't think it will take 6 months. I think if they don't make a move by Christmas, they're done. But I will guess they get something out sometime in October, if they ever do.

Agreed

It's not considered acceptable form to make announcements that detract from the season, or that interfere with a normally well attended or highly viewed event. These announcements tend to come in dead time. If the Big 12 were going to make an announcement I would suspect after the second weekend in January. The CFP will be over and basketball will just be beginning conference play. If it doesn't come then it will be after the NCAA tournament. And if it doesn't come then it's not happening. Spring meetings for the conferences are usually the last shot at important votes before Fall and we all know that means another football season.

lets look...
Louisville to ACC- happened on Nov 29
Maryland, Rutgers to Big Ten- happened on Nov 20, 21
Notre Dame to ACC- happened on Sep 13
Texas A&M to SEC- Sep 26
Missouri to SEC- Nov 7
Pitt, Syracuse to ACC- Sep 19
WVU joins Big 12- Oct 28
TCU joins Big 12- Oct 10

so, no, you are wrong, wrong, dead wrong. Really only the first moves happened in the off season(Nebraska, Colorado, Utah). Everything else happened dead in the football season.

The timing was thrown off from late Summer for the last round when a big deal for the ACC fell through. A&M & Missouri were set for late Summer. There were to be two more announced with them. The whole last round was a fire drill. OU, KU, UT, N.D. VaTech, N.C. State were all lined up for movement. When only a part of it happened Maryland bolted for an offer they had been only in talks about for a few years. In fact they had even shopped the SEC at that time. W.V.U. and T.C.U. were necessary to preserve a TV contract. Louisville was a replacement. Rutgers was a travel partner for Maryland. N.D. was to shore up rancor within the ACC at a time when the there were some serious objections from some of their member schools, and all of it was fallout from an ESPN plan that was first hatched in 2010.

I'll give you Syracuse and Pitt but even then it was essentially the 2nd week of a new season and was the culmination of events from that Summer.

Networks prefer few disruptions. But a network was at the heart of the disruptions in the last round.

The result has been 6 years of realignment burnout and sagging attendance in virtually all conferences. The SEC shows more attendance only because we had a backlog of ticket applicants who could not attain a donation priority level necessary to get tickets. Larger stadiums have alleviated some of that and now actual attendance is beginning to dwindle even if events are sold out. Less people even with maximum ticket sales means less revenue due to lost concessions, etc.

But even conceding your point, the Big 12 isn't inviting anyone. Nobody adds enough value and the biggest Big 12 brands stand to make more elsewhere and the networks stand to make more by their placement elsewhere.

Texas could buck this, but I don't think they want to do so. Like OU they are in a lull both athletically and consequently in attendance. Fan malaise at both places is setting in, only it's been felt a bit more at Texas. OU still has sell outs, but donations are down.

I think most of the leadership at our schools and conferences, and even the networks now know that we need to wrap this garbage up and get the fans settled back down. G5 fans are more focused on making the jump than the season. Many P5 fans are more concerned with future additions than they are about the games. And all of it has reached a negative critical mass. Like Disco it may well run it's course in one fell swoop if we don't stop it soon. It's turning off fans and donors alike.

I think OU and UT were banking on everyone's desire to get this over with in hopes of finding leverage and that they schemed that a bluff to do what to the other conferences and networks was the most unacceptable option monetarily (more P5 promotion) would get them the concessions they wanted if they were to move.

It hasn't. I don't think they'll follow through on their threats now either. 8 more years is a long time to drag this out. I think there will be some compromise, but I really doubt it happens during the season.

BTW Mr. "You are dead wrong" during the preceding realignment moves Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Arkansas, Penn State, Colorado, Nebraska, and Florida State all joined during the off season. South Carolina was the only one of that series that joined in September and that was because Florida State joined the ACC in July. The Gamecocks took that slot and it took a little time to get it all worked out once it was clear to everyone where the Noles were headed. This past set of moves is the exception and not the rule.

so of the 20 last big moves, 11 of them happened in the season. 9 happened in the off season. Kind of tough to say it's the exception to the rule.

And even going back a bit- back in 2003- the Big East moves with Cincy, Louisville, and USF joined the Big East on November 4.

The fact is during season moves are hardly unprecedented.

(09-23-2016 09:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so of the 20 last big moves, 11 of them happened in the season. 9 happened in the off season. Kind of tough to say it's the exception to the rule.

And even going back a bit- back in 2003- the Big East moves with Cincy, Louisville, and USF joined the Big East on November 4.

The fact is during season moves are hardly unprecedented.

The Big East like the moves in 2010 were dominoes falling when other moves occurred. Most conferences prefer to do business like that during the off season. It's easier for the A.D.'s to meet, easier for the presidents to meet, and easier to take care of the matters in an unobtrusive locale. The in season moves were more a matter of having to move to cover the necessary numbers to keep contracts enforced. The Big East had to cover numbers as did the Big 12.

(09-23-2016 09:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so of the 20 last big moves, 11 of them happened in the season. 9 happened in the off season. Kind of tough to say it's the exception to the rule.

And even going back a bit- back in 2003- the Big East moves with Cincy, Louisville, and USF joined the Big East on November 4.

The fact is during season moves are hardly unprecedented.

The Big East like the moves in 2010 were dominoes falling when other moves occurred. Most conferences prefer to do business like that during the off season. It's easier for the A.D.'s to meet, easier for the presidents to meet, and easier to take care of the matters in an unobtrusive locale. The in season moves were more a matter of having to move to cover the necessary numbers to keep contracts enforced. The Big East had to cover numbers as did the Big 12.

they might prefer, but it's hardly a hard and fast rule.

Everybody talks about value, tv deals, GORs, etc. I just honestly think we just saw the last big television deal in the Big Ten. The way people watch television has changed the last 10 years and will continue to be that way in the future. Television as we know it will be so different by the time the ACC's deal expires in 15 years. Heck, even by the time the Big XII's expires in 2025. The big powers like Texas, USC, Florida, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc will still get paid but for the average to mediocre P5s all the way down to the G5s, I don't see big money coming their way.

(09-24-2016 03:09 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Everybody talks about value, tv deals, GORs, etc. I just honestly think we just saw the last big television deal in the Big Ten. The way people watch television has changed the last 10 years and will continue to be that way in the future. Television as we know it will be so different by the time the ACC's deal expires in 15 years. Heck, even by the time the Big XII's expires in 2025. The big powers like Texas, USC, Florida, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc will still get paid but for the average to mediocre P5s all the way down to the G5s, I don't see big money coming their way.

This.

I have Sling Blue, Frontier FiOS which has ESPN3.com access and I can watch CBS SEC Game of the Week on my Xbox One on the Edge browser (Figured out how to get around the Flash player, you just have to change the settings to mobile device websites).

So I get all the access I really need. ESPN3.com shows all the ABC games and if I really want for the day I can add ESPN to my Blue package and take it off after the day and get only charged for the day. It's way cheaper than having to purchase cable.

I don't think this is the end of big TV deals for Sports packages, with Amazon announcing they're getting into the fold and with Twitter streaming NFL Thursday Night Football to rave reviews (It's that good guys.) Along with Netflix & YouTube flirting with the idea.

The money is still going to be there for Sports rights, especially ESPN, I think they may end their deal with the NFL for Monday Night Football after this contract. They're spending over a $1 Billion on the package and don't get access to the Super Bowl, they could save a lot of money and spread it out to other Sports to get good content.

ESPN will still cover the NFL or may exercise for a cheaper option like Thursday Night Football when the NFL has been screwing them with the current Monday Night match-up's. But the TV landscape is changing. Sling TV is still the best option cause it allows my Dad in Charlotte to use my multi-stream, it's great.

The technology hardware and the distribution platforms are changing, as we speak, and will continue to evolve and mature over the next 10 years.

But that absolutely doesn't change the desire, not even one iota, of people to consume live college football telecasts. If anything, it only keeps growing.


And if that desire remains and grows, then by definition the money must remain and grow.

Why would conferences and schools just start giving away the content for free????? Dream on. You wanna watch? Buy a ticket, or pay up.

And to those who will try to respond with: "when ESPN and other traditional TV networks die, there won't be anyone large enough who can afford to pay what the conferences will demand for the rights".

Answer: then nobody gets to watch!! Let's see how fast they figure it out, when people start screaming. Maybe it's a bunch of smaller, digital companies that have to partner up to afford it.

But believe me, the conferences and schools will get paid. That will never change. Dream on!

couple of things.

the internet folks are going to start to really clamp down on 2 things... 1 is data usage. As the amount of streaming goes up, the cost is going to go up. It's not going to be unlimited forever.

the other is you are going to see providers really clamping down on the sharing of passwords....

And those are easy changes, too.

a) you'll have to pay extra, pay a fee, or pay for a separate package, for "video streaming data" vs all other types of data

b) you'll have to register every "internet device", with a max of whatever (could be by type), having to pay extra for extra devices ... and passwords will only work for certain devices

(09-24-2016 03:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  And those are easy changes, too.

a) you'll have to pay extra, pay a fee, or pay for a separate package, for "video streaming data" vs all other types of data

b) you'll have to register every "internet device", with a max of whatever (could be by type), having to pay extra for extra devices ... and passwords will only work for certain devices

and for A- the costs would be equal to what you are paying for cable. The cable/internet companies are going to get theirs no matter what.

and for B- the companies are going to figure out some way to make it where you can't share your password with anyone else. Like only devices registered to your account can get the content. But you can't use other devices to get that content. So if you want to give your dad the password, you would have to register(and pay for) his device.

I'm guessing they'll have a little bit of wiggle room. Say, for the standard package/subscription you can register up to 3 devices. And with a maximum number of changes to the registered device per month/quarter/whatever, and probably a 1 week delay when changing a device. Or something.

But yeah, they'll figure it out. We did, easily enough.

(09-24-2016 03:59 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm guessing they'll have a little bit of wiggle room. Say, for the standard package/subscription you can register up to 3 devices. And with a maximum number of changes to the registered device per month/quarter/whatever, and probably a 1 week delay when changing a device. Or something.

But yeah, they'll figure it out. We did, easily enough.

This isn't a warning but it is a reminder. We have innocently changed a thread about the Big 12 surviving into a cable delivery thread. Just start another cable delivery thread if you want to go there. Thanks.