(09-18-2016 03:59 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 10:59 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  They showed it right at the beginning of the broadcast when they switched over. Not the best but here ya go

From what I can see in that video, I cannot see how anyone could have interpreted that as targeting.

Did their helmets even hit each other?
Traditional views of targeting are with a player lowering head and leading with the crown of the helmet. I did not see anything that looked like that.

Agreed

(09-18-2016 04:54 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 03:59 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 10:59 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  They showed it right at the beginning of the broadcast when they switched over. Not the best but here ya go

From what I can see in that video, I cannot see how anyone could have interpreted that as targeting.

Did their helmets even hit each other?
Traditional views of targeting are with a player lowering head and leading with the crown of the helmet. I did not see anything that looked like that.

Agreed

Thanks everyone.

I think Sanders hit him so hard, the official figured that it must have been illegal. If they are going to make targeting a penalty, then there should be a penalty for playing to win.

I am glad this team plays with intensity, but they need to save their celebrations for the sidelines, to stoke up the fans.

(09-18-2016 02:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  15 yards..."maybe". Disqualify, if it is still the same rules, absolutely not. And the flag wasn't even thrown I don't think until # 71 got in refs face.

The taunting penalty may have been the worst 15 yard unsportsmanlike I ever saw. The guy went backwards, was in no one's face, no fans in that endzone. Was 3rd down and he then ran off field. Absolutely horrible.

And twice they called penalties on wrong team, then had to change.
It was bad both ways too, but I think NIU, while somewhat undisciplined on a couple calls, I never seen a team get like 5 unsportsmanlikes, a couple on same drive.

That crew was really bad.

not sure if this is true but someone said these were big 12 refs

(09-19-2016 02:38 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 02:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  15 yards..."maybe". Disqualify, if it is still the same rules, absolutely not. And the flag wasn't even thrown I don't think until # 71 got in refs face.

The taunting penalty may have been the worst 15 yard unsportsmanlike I ever saw. The guy went backwards, was in no one's face, no fans in that endzone. Was 3rd down and he then ran off field. Absolutely horrible.

And twice they called penalties on wrong team, then had to change.
It was bad both ways too, but I think NIU, while somewhat undisciplined on a couple calls, I never seen a team get like 5 unsportsmanlikes, a couple on same drive.

That crew was really bad.

not sure if this is true but someone said these were big 12 refs

Wherever in the hell they're from, they should go back and stay there. They stunk.

Targeting definition:

No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulderThis foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)

Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

1. Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
2. A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
3. Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
4. Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):

A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
A player on the ground.
A player obviously out of the play.
A player who receives a blind-side block.
A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first.

It was targeting.. You can't hit qbs in the head or neck area...

The guys behind me were yelling "is this football or tag(tennis, hugging, etc)" Not here to say if the rule ruins football or saves ameutur athletes from health issues..

But know the rules or else you are gone!

(09-19-2016 02:45 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 02:38 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 02:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  15 yards..."maybe". Disqualify, if it is still the same rules, absolutely not. And the flag wasn't even thrown I don't think until # 71 got in refs face.

The taunting penalty may have been the worst 15 yard unsportsmanlike I ever saw. The guy went backwards, was in no one's face, no fans in that endzone. Was 3rd down and he then ran off field. Absolutely horrible.

And twice they called penalties on wrong team, then had to change.
It was bad both ways too, but I think NIU, while somewhat undisciplined on a couple calls, I never seen a team get like 5 unsportsmanlikes, a couple on same drive.

That crew was really bad.

not sure if this is true but someone said these were big 12 refs

Wherever in the hell they're from, they should go back and stay there. They stunk.

I thought the penalty was not on the guy who celebrated/made the tackle, but on a different player(Jones IV) up in the SDSU guy's face afterwards

Jones IV is like Perez Ford...for every great play he makes, he makes 2 stupid ones including penalties..

(09-19-2016 02:50 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  It was targeting.. You can't hit qbs in the head or neck area...

The guys behind me were yelling "is this football or tag(tennis, hugging, etc)" Not here to say if the rule ruins football or saves ameutur athletes from health issues..

But know the rules or else you are gone!

But was he a defenseless player? he was no longer in the act of throwing, he had brought the ball down and was moving up in the pocket.

(09-19-2016 03:06 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 02:50 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  It was targeting.. You can't hit qbs in the head or neck area...

The guys behind me were yelling "is this football or tag(tennis, hugging, etc)" Not here to say if the rule ruins football or saves ameutur athletes from health issues..

But know the rules or else you are gone!

But was he a defenseless player? he was no longer in the act of throwing, he had brought the ball down and was moving up in the pocket.

By the letter of the rule he wasn't throwing, or had just thrown the ball. He was a runner. My frustration wasn't with the penalty, I thought the ejection was a little heavy. It looked like a football play that happened to involve the QB. Any other player on the field and there was no flag on that one.

(09-19-2016 02:50 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  It was targeting.. You can't hit qbs in the head or neck area...

The guys behind me were yelling "is this football or tag(tennis, hugging, etc)" Not here to say if the rule ruins football or saves ameutur athletes from health issues..

But know the rules or else you are gone!

Sure looked to me like he hit him in the upper chest area. Still don't agree with that call. You can't hit the guy low, you can't hit him high, you can't lead with your head. Basically you have to tiptoe up to him and say excuse me, would you mind falling down?

For one thing you can't hit him lower without dropping your head unless you scrunch down in an awkward way which makes it hard to run. I mean, Sanders is 6'4.

I would have been more upset with it if they just threw him out, but they reviewed it(probably with better views than that you tube video) and called it..

Just like pass interference it is a judgement call... Think most NIU fans would have welcomed the ejection if it was reversed.

Not why we lost the game.. If officials cost you the game, then you weren't good enough to win.

(09-19-2016 03:30 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  I would have been more upset with it if they just threw him out, but they reviewed it(probably with better views than that you tube video) and called it..

Just like pass interference it is a judgement call... Think most NIU fans would have welcomed the ejection if it was reversed.

Not why we lost the game.. If officials cost you the game, then you weren't good enough to win.

No I wouldn't have welcomed the ejection if it was on SDSU, except that it would increase our chances of winning, I'd still think it was a bad call. It didn't look like a bad hit in real time, to me. The replay doesn't change that. And I don't like the refs turning it into a game of flag football. They do that with late hits out of bounds too - the guy JUST gets out of bounds and a microsecond later the defender hits him (inertia, nothing else), and they call late hit.

You can't point to something like that as costing the game but losing your starting DE not 5 minutes in on a questionable call has to be deflating to the defense.

(09-19-2016 03:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:30 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  I would have been more upset with it if they just threw him out, but they reviewed it(probably with better views than that you tube video) and called it..

Just like pass interference it is a judgement call... Think most NIU fans would have welcomed the ejection if it was reversed.

Not why we lost the game.. If officials cost you the game, then you weren't good enough to win.

No I wouldn't have welcomed the ejection if it was on SDSU, except that it would increase our chances of winning, I'd still think it was a bad call. It didn't look like a bad hit in real time, to me. The replay doesn't change that. And I don't like the refs turning it into a game of flag football. They do that with late hits out of bounds too - the guy JUST gets out of bounds and a microsecond later the defender hits him (inertia, nothing else), and they call late hit.

You can't point to something like that as costing the game but losing your starting DE not 5 minutes in on a questionable call has to be deflating to the defense.

i see where the Cal coach is requiring any player scoring a TD has to hand the ball off to an official. There have been several plays this year where the ball carrier has let go of the ball, prior to crossing the goal line. We are a fragile team right now and penalties can make them very tentative. Have to get our swagger back.