Some of you guys need to move on. It's becoming pretty pathetic.

(09-04-2016 09:56 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 08:25 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  This ----> True but when the program had a shot at the Holy Grail of G5 football, all the evidence points to the fact that he put his personal interests above those of the program which suggests to me that was his priority all along.

Trying to do the job you don't have instead of the one you now have. Not usually a path to success.

Everyone needs to understand. Most of us aren't mad that he left...we get it. But don't tell me that his heart and soul was fully dedicated to the NIU & WMU games last season. I saw both games in person. The team wasnt prepared and didn't look like they cared. That's why I root against him. We had a golden opportunity to get a great bowl, top 20 ranking and probably the most press the program has ever received had we won both games. Instead, all evidence points that our head coach's main focus was somewhere else. F' that dude

(09-04-2016 10:19 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Some of you guys need to move on. It's becoming pretty pathetic.

I'd say it's pretty embarrassing. I find it hilarious that some people were calling for him to be fired/hoping he would leave. Then he does leave, and people are still pissed.

(09-04-2016 01:11 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Bet a lot of Iowa State freshman wish they were Toledo Rockets instead...

I watched the game on Media TV out Ames, Iowa, the reason they lost, is, because his talent pool is not very good. Plus when your DC won't make any corrections to his defense, they desire to lose. Make no mistake Campbell will turn that program around. What was nice to see, was 55 thousand fans out their supporting their team. Toledo can't get 20 thousand out to watch the Rockets, and we have a winning program thanks, to MATT CAMPBELL.

His talent pool is better than ours. Maybe NI is a good team? That NI coach is no slouch. And we have a winning program thanks to TIM BECKMAN. How much Coach Campbell retained or elevated that would be hard to measure but to each their own opinion. MC had a much nicer program to work with. MC is in a much better initial situation than TM was. My hope is that it was really the third coach on the depth chart responsible for most of the progress.

So, MC isn't going to have instant success. Doesn't mean he won't turn that program around.

(09-04-2016 10:26 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:19 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Some of you guys need to move on. It's becoming pretty pathetic.

I'd say it's pretty embarrassing. I find it hilarious that some people were calling for him to be fired/hoping he would leave. Then he does leave, and people are still pissed.

Agreeing with both excellent points here.

(09-04-2016 09:56 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Campbell can't beat Northern Anything.

He must have peed his pants when he found out NIU was in consideration for Big 12 membership.

(09-04-2016 10:37 AM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 01:11 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Bet a lot of Iowa State freshman wish they were Toledo Rockets instead...

What was nice to see, was 55 thousand fans out their supporting their team. Toledo can't get 20 thousand out to watch the Rockets, and we have a winning program thanks, to MATT CAMPBELL.

No surprise there as yesterday's attendance numbers match their historical numbers, actually down from last year's game with the same team. Last year they had 61,500 vs. No. 10 (FCS) N. Iowa and they won 31-7. It seems like things are going to get worse before they get better in Ames, unless NI is a powerhouse this year. You can't compare their attendance numbers to ours, it's apples vs oranges. We have never had the budget or capacity to compete with a Big 12 school (in attendance), even a smaller one. They also don't have nearly as many successful bigtime power 5 programs in the area to pull fans away. If that wasn't the case here, who knows where our program would be?

While I think MC did a decent job here, and I wish him luck, he can't solely take all the credit for us still having a winning program. So many others can share in the credit for our current status of almost winning the MAC West each year, LOL.

Pinkle was here 10 years. In his 5th season he went 11-0-1 and won the Vegas Bowl. I don't recall what kind of offers, if any, he had, but he stayed here another 5 years and brought us 3 more division championships and a 10-1 season his final year. He would have stayed longer, but his vision for our program did not coincide with the vision the university had for the program. Who knows what more he could have accomplished. He moved on. I didn't like it, but I understood.

These guys who come here for 3 years to take a "job" to use as a springboard for a money grab...I don't hate them, but I don't care about them any more than they cared about Toledo. Money doesn't buy you love.

(09-04-2016 11:42 AM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 09:56 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Campbell can't beat Northern Anything.

He must have peed his pants when he found out NIU was in consideration for Big 12 membership.

(09-04-2016 11:32 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:26 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:19 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Some of you guys need to move on. It's becoming pretty pathetic.

I'd say it's pretty embarrassing. I find it hilarious that some people were calling for him to be fired/hoping he would leave. Then he does leave, and people are still pissed.

Agreeing with both excellent points here.

And I disagree with all three opinions... Screw him.

At minimum he ran maintained what Beckman outlined. It was documented that his ability to recruit sold a lot of good players on UT. He beats BG every year, the GPA went up, and nobody got in big trouble. I find all of those to be pluses. My negative is that he could never win the games that counted at the end of the season and no MAC west titles let alone Mac championships. I wish well, but hopefully Candle can bring some titles back to the Glass City. That is the last I am spending on this topic

(09-04-2016 12:06 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Pinkle was here 10 years. In his 5th season he went 11-0-1 and won the Vegas Bowl. I don't recall what kind of offers, if any, he had, but he stayed here another 5 years and brought us 3 more division championships and a 10-1 season his final year. He would have stayed longer, but his vision for our program did not coincide with the vision the university had for the program. Who knows what more he could have accomplished. He moved on. I didn't like it, but I understood.

These guys who come here for 3 years to take a "job" to use as a springboard for a money grab...I don't hate them, but I don't care about them any more than they cared about Toledo. Money doesn't buy you love.

I feel similarly, but I put some blame on our AD as well. If we hire a coach it should be expected that he honor the first five years or win a MACC. If a coach has a dream job that comes open then I'm fine with him leaving, so give the new coach three universities he'd like to coach and if one of those come open then let him interview. If he has an opportunity for a position in the NFL then go for it. Otherwise no interviews the first five years or until he wins a MACC. As for these P5 wannabe schools with their millions of dollars trying to catch a rising star by hiring a guy with only two or three years head coaching experience - I hope they fail every time.

(09-04-2016 12:29 PM)bigdatut98 Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 11:32 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:26 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:19 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Some of you guys need to move on. It's becoming pretty pathetic.

I'd say it's pretty embarrassing. I find it hilarious that some people were calling for him to be fired/hoping he would leave. Then he does leave, and people are still pissed.

Agreeing with both excellent points here.

And I disagree with all three opinions... Screw him.

Yet the bitter ones keep talking about him. Dude's gone........ Move on.

(09-04-2016 07:16 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  I guess that I don't see the point in celebrating his losses. He was part of the group that helped pull Toledo out of the muck. Toledo was a cesspool of players who didn't care about football or academics before his arrival with Beckman. He is one of the reasons Toledo is at the top of Mac academics. He is one of the reasons that you don't read about UT players committing armed robbery and stealing purses at casinos. He is also the reason why you were able to celebrate a win Friday, despite only returning 3 players on defense. Wouldn't it be great if he succeeded and Toledo became known as the New Cradle of Coaches of the MAC? Toledo is a college football coaching stepping-stone. Enjoy the prospects of this season.

Amen falconplucker! His, the athletic department and the University's commitment to academics is on full display in the remodeled and expanded Larimer Athletic Complex. It houses one of the finest student-athlete academic centers in the country. It is well worth a visit and will up your RocketNation pride.

No reason to wish Campbell well. He was an employee of the university and now he is gone. He no longer has an affinity for the school and is nothing but a competitor to Toledo. He proved that by going after all of the Toledo recruits. They were not Matt Campbell recruits. They were verballed to Toledo while being recruited by representatives of Toledo and at the cost to UT. What he did may be considered commonplace, but it also shows his character - or lack thereof. He did not have our teams prepared to win the championship - and to me, those losses were an embarrassment. The fact he still got an offer after the WMU game tells me ISU was grasping at straws.

(09-04-2016 02:13 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  No reason to wish Campbell well. He was an employee of the university and now he is gone. He no longer has an affinity for the school and is nothing but a competitor to Toledo. He proved that by going after all of the Toledo recruits. They were not Matt Campbell recruits. They were verballed to Toledo while being recruited by representatives of Toledo and at the cost to UT. What he did may be considered commonplace, but it also shows his character - or lack thereof. He did not have our teams prepared to win the championship - and to me, those losses were an embarrassment. The fact he still got an offer after the WMU game tells me ISU was grasping at straws.

Feel the same way about Pinkel and Brad Smith?

(09-04-2016 03:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 02:13 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  No reason to wish Campbell well. He was an employee of the university and now he is gone. He no longer has an affinity for the school and is nothing but a competitor to Toledo. He proved that by going after all of the Toledo recruits. They were not Matt Campbell recruits. They were verballed to Toledo while being recruited by representatives of Toledo and at the cost to UT. What he did may be considered commonplace, but it also shows his character - or lack thereof. He did not have our teams prepared to win the championship - and to me, those losses were an embarrassment. The fact he still got an offer after the WMU game tells me ISU was grasping at straws.

Feel the same way about Pinkel and Brad Smith?

Picking up Gradkowski eased the pain of losing Brad Smith considerably. I was just amazed at how those Mizzou fans thought Smith was the second coming or at least something very close.

A departing head coach taking assistants and recruits with them has unfortunately become standard operating procedure. So I don't really hold that against Campbell.

What I do vehemently hold against him is being distracted to the point of blowing the WMU game and thus a chance at a MACC and perhaps even a New Years Day Bowl just because the Iowa State AD was waiting for him in some Detroit hotel room. Reminded me in a way of what Gary Darnell did for WMU when his eagerness to land a new job handed Marshall another MACC at WMU's expense (back in 2000 was it?).

(09-04-2016 03:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 02:13 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  No reason to wish Campbell well. He was an employee of the university and now he is gone. He no longer has an affinity for the school and is nothing but a competitor to Toledo. He proved that by going after all of the Toledo recruits. They were not Matt Campbell recruits. They were verballed to Toledo while being recruited by representatives of Toledo and at the cost to UT. What he did may be considered commonplace, but it also shows his character - or lack thereof. He did not have our teams prepared to win the championship - and to me, those losses were an embarrassment. The fact he still got an offer after the WMU game tells me ISU was grasping at straws.

Feel the same way about Pinkel and Brad Smith?

Very few players left with Pinkel. And I did say that is part of the business. Pinkel was also here for 10 years and left when he had taken us to a level that would be sustained for several years. Pinkel won a conference championship and took us to several championship games. Campbell didn't even win an outright division championship - and was gone. He did not get the type of gig that Pinkel did. Pinkel made Toledo proud of what he accomplished after he left Toledo - and also what he accomplished at Toledo. I cannot say the same about Campbell while he was here. Who knows what he will accomplish at Iowa State. I don't think it will be much and he will likely end up as an OC somewhere after that - and for a lot of money.

He made the right decision (likely) for himself and his family. I'm sure what it meant to Toledo fans and players was way down on his list of priorities.

(09-04-2016 03:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 02:13 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  No reason to wish Campbell well. He was an employee of the university and now he is gone. He no longer has an affinity for the school and is nothing but a competitor to Toledo. He proved that by going after all of the Toledo recruits. They were not Matt Campbell recruits. They were verballed to Toledo while being recruited by representatives of Toledo and at the cost to UT. What he did may be considered commonplace, but it also shows his character - or lack thereof. He did not have our teams prepared to win the championship - and to me, those losses were an embarrassment. The fact he still got an offer after the WMU game tells me ISU was grasping at straws.

Feel the same way about Pinkel and Brad Smith?

Of course. Many people then and in years after expressed that disappointment. You have to know that?

Moto's viewpoint (which I have also in the past made) is in my opinion well reasoned and he made it fairly: MC is a competitor now. No one here IMO OWES MC allegiance but I wouldn't have any judgement on those that do or don't and the dispute on the manner in which he left or the focus he put in those last games is not going to go away just because different sides express the same opinions as always and Potts calling ANYONE else bitter is what is meant when they say "there's a man without a mirror."

Being in the camp that didn't feel the focus and didn't feel he left in a classy manner, I'm not going to find joy in his winning, he's just a guy that stopped by, regardless he held the standards of the previous coach. I'm not going to find joy in his losing. For me, it's a wasted emotion.