(09-05-2016 08:28 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Does anyone here think Memphis is still in?

Beyond just articles, ESPN ticker has reported that Memphis is out.

Houston is doing what TCU did a decade before, playing itself into a P5 conference.

Several sources not related to ESPN has stated Memphis is out. It is time to let it go.

(09-05-2016 09:18 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 08:28 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Does anyone here think Memphis is still in?

Beyond just articles, ESPN ticker has reported that Memphis is out.

Houston is doing what TCU did a decade before, playing itself into a P5 conference.

Several sources not related to ESPN has stated Memphis is out. It is time to let it go.

Sources "have" you uab moron

(09-05-2016 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 12:42 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  Memphis went into this holding some high cards.

I'm not convinced of this. What were those high cards?

FedEx? Big conferences don't have trouble attracting major corporate sponsorship. Waving FedEx under the Big 12 nose likely wasn't impressive to Texas and Oklahoma schools that are used to dealing with oil companies and the like that are even bigger. This wasn't the Big East that Memphis was trying to join, a conference groveling for corporate crumbs. As you note, the Big 12 may have even been a bit irked by this ham-handed effort.

A good football team? Memphis has been good for two seasons, and the reason for that, their HC, just left them. And they weren't *that* good. Three-way tie for the AAC title in 2014, no title in 2015, and 2014 ended with an overtime win in the Miami Beach Bowl, whie 2015 ended with a drubbing at the hands of a 6-6 opponent in the Birmingham Bowl. We're not talking Boise or even last year's Houston here.

After that, what else did they bring to the table? They do not have an established brand except in basketball (which is foundering right now). They were too close to Big 12 territory to be a "bridge" to WVU, but too buried in SEC territory to penetrate much market beyond their city limits. And their academics are just not up to snuff.

Your post is level-headed, so maybe you can tell me what big cards Memphis brought, because I missed that all along.

Agreed. There were never any high cards for Memphis. Inferior academics, mid sized city market only with strong SEC competition. Football until the last two years, below average even for G5. Basketball history is good but weaker recently. I always viewed it as among the weaker candidates.

C. Austin Cox ‏@C_Austin_Cox 3h3 hours ago
Think I'll spend my Labor Day looking for one single "source" - not traced back to ESPN - that says #Memphis is out of #Big12Expansion.

This thread is probably played out.

(09-05-2016 11:16 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  This thread is probably played out.

I agree, nothing more than people jumping on Memphis while they are down.

Theres nothing more to say in this thread

(09-05-2016 09:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 09:18 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 08:28 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Does anyone here think Memphis is still in?

Beyond just articles, ESPN ticker has reported that Memphis is out.

Houston is doing what TCU did a decade before, playing itself into a P5 conference.

Several sources not related to ESPN has stated Memphis is out. It is time to let it go.

Sources "have" you uab moron

Actually your sentence should read, "sources 'have' you UAB moron." If you gonna come correct then come fully correct retard.

(09-05-2016 01:27 AM)muffinman Wrote:  I agree with this... Going smoothly, then something happened. Maybe Memphis overplayed their hand, or maybe the B12 low-balled and Memphis walked away. Who knows?

Not sure if we will ever know the truth, as no one is talking. Cant even get a confirmation from Memphis nor the B12 that Memphis is officially out.

Im one of the few Memphis fans who never thought we would get in, but I certainly did not expect to be the 12th man out.

I felt that for Memphis it was like drawing to an inside straight. Within reach? Sure. But with the Big 12 the game is being played on a riverboat during a storm surge from a nearby hurricane landfall. Everything in your environment is unsteady. The turbulence affects the game.

(09-05-2016 11:35 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 09:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 09:18 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 08:28 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Does anyone here think Memphis is still in?

Beyond just articles, ESPN ticker has reported that Memphis is out.

Houston is doing what TCU did a decade before, playing itself into a P5 conference.

Several sources not related to ESPN has stated Memphis is out. It is time to let it go.

Sources "have" you uab moron

Actually your sentence should read, "sources 'have' you UAB moron." If you gonna come correct then come fully correct retard.

How did the blazers do yesterday?

(09-05-2016 12:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 11:35 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 09:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 09:18 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 08:28 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Does anyone here think Memphis is still in?

Beyond just articles, ESPN ticker has reported that Memphis is out.

Houston is doing what TCU did a decade before, playing itself into a P5 conference.

Several sources not related to ESPN has stated Memphis is out. It is time to let it go.

Sources "have" you uab moron

Actually your sentence should read, "sources 'have' you UAB moron." If you gonna come correct then come fully correct retard.

How did the blazers do yesterday?

They were in full effect yesterday being Sunday and all.

If true, I am sorry that Memphis is out, especially because of guys like Triple A.

I think that BYU, Houston, Cincy and Memphis are the best candidates for the Big 12, but my opinion and about a buck fifty may buy a cup of coffee.

(09-05-2016 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 12:42 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  Memphis went into this holding some high cards.

I'm not convinced of this. What were those high cards?

FedEx? Big conferences don't have trouble attracting major corporate sponsorship. Waving FedEx under the Big 12 nose likely wasn't impressive to Texas and Oklahoma schools that are used to dealing with oil companies and the like that are even bigger. This wasn't the Big East that Memphis was trying to join, a conference groveling for corporate crumbs. As you note, the Big 12 may have even been a bit irked by this ham-handed effort.

A good football team? Memphis has been good for two seasons, and the reason for that, their HC, just left them. And they weren't *that* good. Three-way tie for the AAC title in 2014, no title in 2015, and 2014 ended with an overtime win in the Miami Beach Bowl, whie 2015 ended with a drubbing at the hands of a 6-6 opponent in the Birmingham Bowl. We're not talking Boise or even last year's Houston here.

After that, what else did they bring to the table? They do not have an established brand except in basketball (which is foundering right now). They were too close to Big 12 territory to be a "bridge" to WVU, but too buried in SEC territory to penetrate much market beyond their city limits. And their academics are just not up to snuff.

Your post is level-headed, so maybe you can tell me what big cards Memphis brought, because I missed that all along.

They sent bbq to Texas that's where they went wrong.

(09-05-2016 12:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  If true, I am sorry that Memphis is out, especially because of guys like Triple A.

I think that BYU, Houston, Cincy and Memphis are the best candidates for the Big 12, but my opinion and about a buck fifty may buy a cup of coffee.

Meh. We will do all right. 50 bazzillion dollars didnt help Miss State of the mighty SEC beat South Alabama. Heck i have baseball hats older than their program. Appreciate the words. Notre Dame looked good. Tough one. As close as it was and as early in the season as it was it isnt a season killer.

Now back to my regular schedule.

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(09-05-2016 12:46 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 12:42 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  Memphis went into this holding some high cards.

I'm not convinced of this. What were those high cards?

FedEx? Big conferences don't have trouble attracting major corporate sponsorship. Waving FedEx under the Big 12 nose likely wasn't impressive to Texas and Oklahoma schools that are used to dealing with oil companies and the like that are even bigger. This wasn't the Big East that Memphis was trying to join, a conference groveling for corporate crumbs. As you note, the Big 12 may have even been a bit irked by this ham-handed effort.

A good football team? Memphis has been good for two seasons, and the reason for that, their HC, just left them. And they weren't *that* good. Three-way tie for the AAC title in 2014, no title in 2015, and 2014 ended with an overtime win in the Miami Beach Bowl, whie 2015 ended with a drubbing at the hands of a 6-6 opponent in the Birmingham Bowl. We're not talking Boise or even last year's Houston here.

After that, what else did they bring to the table? They do not have an established brand except in basketball (which is foundering right now). They were too close to Big 12 territory to be a "bridge" to WVU, but too buried in SEC territory to penetrate much market beyond their city limits. And their academics are just not up to snuff.

Your post is level-headed, so maybe you can tell me what big cards Memphis brought, because I missed that all along.

They sent bbq to Texas that's where they went wrong.

Now THAT's funny.

I don't mean to offend anyone but if I am being honest, I never really understood why Memphis was being so prominently mentioned in the first place?

To me, they are way down the list. I don't know if I'd have the Tigers behind schools like Rice or Tulane, but I would definitely have them ranked below the likes of BYU, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, etc. I would also have the Florida twins rated ahead of Memphis.

Other than being a little closer to the Big 12's natural footprint, they don't have one thing over say, Connecticut. They are both basketball schools but UConn is a better basketball school. They are both typically mediocre at football but unlike Memphis, Connecticut has money coming out of its rear end. Also, Connecticut is a significantly better school than Memphis.

If you look at it objectively, and take geography out of it – which is absolutely the way you should approach this issue – Connecticut has a clear advantage over Memphis pretty much across the board. As I said, Memphis is closer to the Big 12 schools and the Memphis recruiting area is obviously stronger than all of New England's recruiting area.

If Connecticut has all of those things going for it and it is not even high on the Big 12's list, why would Memphis be high on their list?

Right on cue: Posts by fans who say they always saw this result coming—even though they didn't actually, you know, predict it.

Memphis needs more than a couple years of success

(09-05-2016 05:12 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don't mean to offend anyone but if I am being honest, I never really understood why Memphis was being so prominently mentioned in the first place?

To me, they are way down the list. I don't know if I'd have the Tigers behind schools like Rice or Tulane, but I would definitely have them ranked below the likes of BYU, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, etc. I would also have the Florida twins rated ahead of Memphis.

Other than being a little closer to the Big 12's natural footprint, they don't have one thing over say, Connecticut. They are both basketball schools but UConn is a better basketball school. They are both typically mediocre at football but unlike Memphis, Connecticut has money coming out of its rear end. Also, Connecticut is a significantly better school than Memphis.

If you look at it objectively, and take geography out of it – which is absolutely the way you should approach this issue – Connecticut has a clear advantage over Memphis pretty much across the board. As I said, Memphis is closer to the Big 12 schools and the Memphis recruiting area is obviously stronger than all of New England's recruiting area.

If Connecticut has all of those things going for it and it is not even high on the Big 12's list, why would Memphis be high on their list?

I know UConn is never far from the thoughts of Pitt fans on this board.

Maybe the fact that so many people seem to be so obsessed with our probable big12 rejection says that our brand is bigger than some would admit. If it's a good or bad perception it's there. People like to say we only had 2 decent years but selectively never mentioned that we've been to 7 bowls in 12 years. We've been righting the ship for a while. We didn't "suddenly " have 2 good years like it was lucky. Right now Memphis has a top 30 recruiting class with a coach that just coached his 1st game, that's the difference between Memphis and uconn. The ceiling for improvement

(09-05-2016 08:18 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  Maybe the fact that so many people seem to be so obsessed with our probable big12 rejection says that our brand is bigger than some would admit. If it's a good or bad perception it's there. People like to say we only had 2 decent years but selectively never mentioned that we've been to 7 bowls in 12 years. We've been righting the ship for a while. We didn't "suddenly " have 2 good years like it was lucky. Right now Memphis has a top 30 recruiting class with a coach that just coached his 1st game, that's the difference between Memphis and uconn. The ceiling for improvement

Why brag about 7 bowls out of 12 years, that only one better than UConn, 6 out of 12. Half the teams make bowls.