(08-14-2016 08:19 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 08:11 AM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  So much speculation here that my head hurts. I live right in middle of ACC country and have heard nothing about expansion, save for the occasional story about getting ND fully under the ACC tent.

I do think there is room to speculate that TV fat cats will eventually push for four 16, 18 or 20 school conferences. Just seems to make sense from a marketing and management perspective.

The bigger point is the ACC might be ripe for poaching by the B1G and $EC. Therefore it needs to solidify their numbers for when it inevitably happens.

You do know the ACC just signed a new monster TV deal and I believe extended their GOR. The ACC is not worried about being poached by the SEC or B1G and especially not the Big 12.

(08-14-2016 08:32 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 08:19 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 08:11 AM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  So much speculation here that my head hurts. I live right in middle of ACC country and have heard nothing about expansion, save for the occasional story about getting ND fully under the ACC tent.

I do think there is room to speculate that TV fat cats will eventually push for four 16, 18 or 20 school conferences. Just seems to make sense from a marketing and management perspective.

The bigger point is the ACC might be ripe for poaching by the B1G and $EC. Therefore it needs to solidify their numbers for when it inevitably happens.

You do know the ACC just signed a new monster TV deal and I believe extended their GOR. The ACC is not worried about being poached by the SEC or B1G and especially not the Big 12.

If they weren't worried, they wouldn't have extended the GOR.

And the monster TV deal was because ESPN signed a poison pill with the ACC and was forced to act.

(08-14-2016 08:21 AM)Denny Crum Wrote:  Lol you Memphis fans are comic gold.

Oh brother , this is all we need ,Pimp U telling us whats wrong with us.

To the OP


NO

(08-14-2016 08:50 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  To the OP


NO

Interesting that TC hasn't weighed in yet.

Today is not April 1st is it?

(08-14-2016 08:05 AM)FantasyRC Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 06:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  No conference is going to 18 schools.

This is the best of the points you made. I envision all of the Power conference getting to 16 teams eventually, but I think 18 teams would be difficult to manage.

Bowlsby has said that in 2025 there maybe as many as 80 to 100 in the p5. While I see 72 in four leagues as better option, 100 is far too many.

(08-14-2016 09:14 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 08:50 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  To the OP


NO

Interesting that TC hasn't weighed in yet.

Even he ain't buying this.

(08-14-2016 08:25 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 08:21 AM)Denny Crum Wrote:  Lol you Memphis fans are comic gold.

Exactly how?

Does anyone think rights which will eventually expire will prevent the B1G or $EC from expanding if they want to go to 16?

When one makes the move, the other will follow.

The $EC doesn't have a GOR. Do you know why? Because they don't worry about any schools leaving.

The Big 10 has a network...and they make an awful lot of money too. If it decides that a ACC school can help it make a bit more money in the long run....they could pay whatever to get that school if they wanted.

Like someone else observed...I can see 4 16 team conferences....not 18 tho.
Too big, too unwieldy. How would you decide a conference champion if you had 4 teams with identical records? A playoff for the conference championship?
I don't think anyone would want that...because if say Clemson could possibly play for a NC in the 4 way playoff...and they have to play 2 games to win their conference title...they have a chance of losing ...and losing out on the playoff slot for a NC.

Sweet!

BIDDING war for the Tigers.

#stripeup

This is sad.

(08-14-2016 12:03 PM)memp600 Wrote:  This is sad.

its also a slow period for posting. We'll take what we can get lol

(08-14-2016 12:01 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Sweet!

BIDDING war for the Tigers.

#stripeup

We're used to it.

(08-14-2016 08:21 AM)Denny Crum Wrote:  Lol you Memphis fans are comic gold.

The original post stated nothing more than what the guy said. He heard some legit info, and now we are discussing. We get that it probably doesn't amount to anything. You do know how message boards work, right? The college football landscape is changing, that is a fact. So expansion is going to continue, you can bet on that.

(08-14-2016 08:40 AM)FUB Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 08:21 AM)Denny Crum Wrote:  Lol you Memphis fans are comic gold.

Oh brother , this is all we need ,Pimp U telling us whats wrong with us.

Scandal stinks because it cost us our 4th NCAA basketball title last season. But recruiting is better then ever under CRP so won't be long before we get #4

(08-14-2016 01:14 PM)Denny Crum Wrote:  Scandal stinks because it cost us our 4th NCAA basketball title last season. But recruiting is better then ever under CRP so won't be long before we get #4

Ladies and Gentleman your 2016 Pimp Of The Year ,Trick Papa Pitino .

(08-14-2016 01:14 PM)Denny Crum Wrote:  Scandal stinks because it cost us our 4th NCAA basketball title last season. But recruiting is better then ever under CRP so won't be long before we get #4

Well, I'd want to go to your school too if you promised me I'd get laid every other day too

Haha. They cleaned that mess up, even though that garbage goes on everywhere. You should visit THE Ohio State.

(08-14-2016 02:18 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 02:07 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 01:23 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Has anyone else heard this?

All I can do is pass along what I've heard to be completely legit

The ACC has 15 teams in their hybrid system by including Notre Dame in all sports but football

The conference AD's want to get ahead of the game to block the B12 from taking prospective future colleges they have interest in for the long term.

What I heard is the ACC wants to be the first conference to go to 18 football teams to completely eliminate any chance of other P5 teams growing faster. They see it as a block and forever protect their BCS interests. For ex - If the SEC offers FSU and GT the conference still has enough high level teams and supportive teams good enough not to get "Demoted"

The top tier teams such as VaTech/FSU/Clemson/Miami seem to be very much in favor of expansion because they know they will dominate the conference for the next 5-10 years

The other reason they like the idea is because it sets them up for the "Forever Invite" to the BCS games

Why the lower level ACC teams are somewhat on board is the fear of losing the top 3-4 teams to the SEC, B12, Big 10

Plus I've heard if the ACC goes to 15 football members it virtually forces Notre Dame to BLANK or get it off the pot

The ACC blue bloods have witnessed first hand the Louisville rise and see the long term value of the Louisville, Memphis, Cincy connection.

Hate to say this but UC is the first choice but Memphis is neck and neck due to rising ticket sales and Fedex.

Before the B12 makes an offer the ACC is planning to block taking Memphis and Cincinnati.

Personally, I'm cool with either conference because basketball would be more fun in the ACC but being able to play UT OK every year would be awesome as well.

No.

Just...

just

no.

Please add some real comments with substance. Otherwise allow the conversation to continue with those who have information or at least substantial rebuttals. It's guys like you who screw up legitimate threads b/c you want to seem cool. Either u don't know anything or you are too lazy to explain your silly one word replies.

Take a stance with something of substance or just read and move along.

You know what? You're right, and I apologize.
It was 2 in the morning, and I didn't have the energy to break down and respond to a post that did not have one legitimate or reasoned point - not one - and thereby exhaust myself when the whole endpoint was going to be to make me the bad guy, no matter how logical and thought-out my response was.
So here we go Pastner (shouldn't you change that to Smith4SecretaryofState or something?) . Here's my response:

Quote:The conference AD's want to get ahead of the game to block the B12 from taking prospective future colleges they have interest in for the long term.

No. Conferences don't take schools to block expansion by other conferences and it's for a clear-cut reason: Either the school they are looking to add brings something to the table or they don't. Besides, media markets are shared nationally and on the local level the Big XII and ACC don't have a common geographical city or state at this point; the ACC is going to not stable enough at this point to add another school; they are going to busy counting up the money from the new ACC network, and so-on and so-on. This is a fundamentally wrong statement.

Quote:the ACC wants to be the first conference to go to 18 football teams to completely eliminate any chance of other P5 teams growing faster. They see it as a block and forever protect their BCS interests. For ex - If the SEC offers FSU and GT the conference still has enough high level teams and supportive teams good enough not to get "Demoted"

No. Adding schools doesn't "protect" anything: In fact, the quickest way to piss off FSU, Clemson, Miami, etc. is to take a slice of their revenue from them and hand it to new conference mates they don't care about, thereby financing brand-new competition for less money.

Quote:The top tier teams such as VaTech/FSU/Clemson/Miami seem to be very much in favor of expansion because they know they will dominate the conference for the next 5-10 years

The other reason they like the idea is because it sets them up for the "Forever Invite" to the BCS games

No. The schools that are already leading won't want to fix what isn't broken. Bringing in new schools threatens that; it doesn't 'set them up' for anything. The only reason you bring in more schools in such an instance is to bring in more revenue, or you already have an established relationship with, and clearly that isn't going to happen with VT/FSU, etc.

Quote:Why the lower level ACC teams are somewhat on board is the fear of losing the top 3-4 teams to the SEC, B12, Big 10

Like I said, that plan runs off the football powers to the other major conferences. Duke and Wake Forest know that they can't water down ACC membership and hope to keep the standard-bearers.

Quote:Plus I've heard if the ACC goes to 15 football members it virtually forces Notre Dame to BLANK or get it off the pot

I'm literally shaking my head by this point....
No.
Bringing in Cincy and Memphis doesn't force ND to do anything. How in God's name would it?
Notre Dame is the only school in the country that has the B1G, Big XII, and Big East all as fallback options - one of those conferences will HAPPILY accept them - and that's after the new ACC contract expires, by the way. So Notre Dame can stay with the ACC on it's own terms, for good or for bad,regardless. So how does your source theorize adding Memphis and Cincy 'forces Notre Dame' to do anything?
Or forces the Big 12, for that matter, since they have said themselves they are looking at 17 potential members? Take two off the table, and Bowlsby is going to go "Eh. Okay. Who else we got?"

I'm not trying to play cool. Honestly. And everybody can say that the SMU guy is just a troll; I'm fine with that.
But there isn't one substantial idea in that entire post.
Not. One.
So if I was short and rude last night, I'm genuinely sorry.
I apologize, Pastner4prez.
But it's difficult to treat something seriously that makes no sense whatsoever, no matter what the source is, and no matter if this story actually happens or not.