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RE: Strike NOW. American needs to get the best of what's left.
(08-14-2016 02:49 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 12:12 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  We need to stop waiting on the Big12....being way too reactive. This conference obviously has value....just about all of us on the magical short list for Big12 pretend expansion. We should he going hard after the best teams left. Create a league that has to be considered the best of the rest. Not better, the best.

Take your pick:
BYU
Boise
CSU
SDS
NIU
Air Force
Army
Wichita State

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You wouldn't get SDSU without also adding either Fresno or UNLV and probably both. An AAC purged of Cincinnati and Houston just won't have enough value to get SDSU to come along without a so-called travel partner or two. But as I've said here a time or two before, any conference with a commissioner who was dumb enough to advocate adding Tulane can't be expected to have the leadership necessary to steal the cream of the MWC anyway.
For the record, I'm really looking forward to NIU facing off with SDSU this year. I hope your QB is on his game, considering we have one of the best DBs in the game right now and our defense gave tOSU a serious run for their money. Cardale Jones and JT Barrett found that out the hard way!

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RE: Strike NOW. American needs to get the best of what's left.
(08-14-2016 02:49 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 12:12 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  We need to stop waiting on the Big12....being way too reactive. This conference obviously has value....just about all of us on the magical short list for Big12 pretend expansion. We should he going hard after the best teams left. Create a league that has to be considered the best of the rest. Not better, the best.

Take your pick:
BYU
Boise
CSU
SDS
NIU
Air Force
Army
Wichita State

07-coffee3

You wouldn't get SDSU without also adding either Fresno or UNLV and probably both. An AAC purged of Cincinnati and Houston just won't have enough value to get SDSU to come along without a so-called travel partner or two. But as I've said here a time or two before, any conference with a commissioner who was dumb enough to advocate adding Tulane can't be expected to have the leadership necessary to steal the cream of the MWC anyway.
For the record, I'm really looking forward to NIU facing off with SDSU this year. I hope your QB is on his game, considering we have one of the best DBs in the game right now and our defense gave tOSU a serious run for their money. Cardale Jones and JT Barrett found that out the hard way!

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RE: Strike NOW. American needs to get the best of what's left.
(08-14-2016 02:49 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 12:12 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  We need to stop waiting on the Big12....being way too reactive. This conference obviously has value....just about all of us on the magical short list for Big12 pretend expansion. We should he going hard after the best teams left. Create a league that has to be considered the best of the rest. Not better, the best.

Take your pick:
BYU
Boise
CSU
SDS
NIU
Air Force
Army
Wichita State

07-coffee3

You wouldn't get SDSU without also adding either Fresno or UNLV and probably both. An AAC purged of Cincinnati and Houston just won't have enough value to get SDSU to come along without a so-called travel partner or two. But as I've said here a time or two before, any conference with a commissioner who was dumb enough to advocate adding Tulane can't be expected to have the leadership necessary to steal the cream of the MWC anyway.
For the record, I'm really looking forward to NIU facing off with SDSU this year. I hope your QB is on his game, considering we have one of the best DBs in the game right now and our defense gave tOSU a serious run for their money. Cardale Jones and JT Barrett found that out the hard way!

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Damn triple post.. sometimes smart phones sure act dumb

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RE: Strike NOW. American needs to get the best of what's left.
Just gotta smh at a number of other posts here. As much fail in them as in that App State video.

Well, maybe not quite that much . . .
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(08-14-2016 03:04 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Damn triple post.. sometimes smart phones sure act dumb

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Some clueless Aztecs think we'll win easily because they attended last year's Poinsettia Bowl. However, I know you guys had a bunch of injuries. The game particularly concerns me because we host Cal the seek before. We've been miserable against the Pac-12 so are really pointing to that one as evidenced by the fact there were almost 40K tickets sold already last I heard. Checking Cal's board (despite being a P5, they have just one), their fans universally think they're going to beat us by at least two TDs but I see a really tight game. If we beat Cal, we could easily have an emotional letdown against you. If that happens, you're probably going to win.

As to DBs, SDSU's Demontae Kazee was a 2nd team All-American last year at cornerback. And keep an eye on #54 LB Calvin Munson. He's going to be playing on Sundays too.
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RE: Strike NOW. American needs to get the best of what's left.
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(08-14-2016 03:04 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Damn triple post.. sometimes smart phones sure act dumb

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Some clueless Aztecs think we'll win easily because they attended last year's Poinsettia Bowl. However, I know you guys had a bunch of injuries. The game particularly concerns me because we host Cal the seek before. We've been miserable against the Pac-12 so are really pointing to that one as evidenced by the fact there were almost 40K tickets sold already last I heard. Checking Cal's board (despite being a P5, they have just one), their fans universally think they're going to beat us by at least two TDs but I see a really tight game. If we beat Cal, we could easily have an emotional letdown against you. If that happens, you're probably going to win.

As to DBs, SDSU's Demontae Kazee was a 2nd team All-American last year at cornerback. And keep an eye on #54 LB Calvin Munson. He's going to be playing on Sundays too.
Going to be quite a match up, Huskie fans are looking forward to that and USF this year. Upsetting two access bowl favorites would be a big deal for us

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(08-14-2016 01:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-14-2016 10:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I'd be fine with UMass as a non-football addition.
Are you aware that UMass has been to one NCAA tournament game in the last 18 years (it lost it)....


UMass had an incredible 7yr run from '92-'98, no doubt about it. However, outside of that 7yr stretch UMass has had just 2 NCAA appearances in its history (1962,2014) and is 0-2 in those tournaments. Since joining the A10 as a founding member in 1976 UMass has two regular season conference titles ('76, '07) and zero conference tournament championships outside of the Calipari years.

Again, that 7yr run was incredible (even if the Final Four run was vacated) but beyond that UMass is an average team in an above average conference.
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RE: Strike NOW. American needs to get the best of what's left.
If Cincinnati gets a Big 12 invite, how important is a presence in Ohio for the AAC moving forward?

I'm guessing the league would like to have an Ohio school in the footprint considering it is a top 10 state in terms of both football and basketball recruiting, and even if Cincinnati goes P5, the state would still just have two schools above the MAC level ... something that, IMO, has helped (and will continue to help) Cincinnati build its football program to the point where it is at least on the cusp of the Big 12.

If having an Ohio footprint is important, why not add one of the Cleveland area MAC schools (Akron or Kent State)? Either would be longer-term projects, due to lack of football success/attendance, but both have their pros:

Market: You'd be trading the No. 36 market (Cincinnati) for the No. 18 market (Cleveland). And Akron-Kent is the only in-market competition between each other for football (Cleveland State is there in hoops). While neither are technically in the "Cleveland" portion of the market, the Cleveland market stretches more north-south from Cleveland to Canton ... and both Akron and Kent are right around the market's population epicenter.

Recruiting: Northeast Ohio (Cleveland) produces slightly more talent than Southwest Ohio (Cincinnati). For basketball, Northeast Ohio produces a lot more talent.

Basketball: Akron has easily been the top MAC program for the past decade (one of five schools in the nation to win at least 21 games the past 11 years); Kent has fallen off a bit when it was the top team in the league for the early to mid parts of the 2000s, but still probably No. 2 in the league (with only Ohio having an argument to fall in that spot).

Overall athletics: Akron and Kent are easily the top two performing athletic departments in the MAC. And taking out BYU and a couple of Mountain West schools, they are the only two non-P5 schools east of the Mississippi who can compete with the upper AAC teams in the Director's Cup standings. Over the last three years, Akron would have averaged as the No. 2 AAC team in Director's Cup standings (just behind UConn); Kent would average as No. 5.

Academics: While neither are elite like Rice, or as highly ranked as Miami, Buffalo or Massachusetts, they are both large national-level research universities on par with the majority of the AAC (or other schools in the discussion for the AAC). Both have about 25,000 on main campuses ... Kent has a system-wide enrollment of about 41,000 and Akron about 30,000. While Kent has the larger enrollment, Akron has a sizable $240 million endowment, compared to about $90 million for Kent. Both schools have about 125,000 living alums in the market.

Facilities: This is where Kent drops off, and myself as an Akron alum, believes why Akron has the better shot. Kent's football stadium would need a major renovation (or total rebuild) to be at AAC level. Akron, which granted, did rack up a ton of debt in the process, recently built an AAC-level stadium with a 30,000 capacity (with expansion capability to 45,000-plus if the need was ever there). Along with that, Akron's indoor field house is still the cream of the crop in the MAC. Neither have basketball facilities to write home about, though. Akron has a 5,500 capacity gym, while Kent has a 6,500 capacity gym. Akron, though, has been pushing for a new arena, and nearly got a university/county issue on the ballot to build a 10,000 seat arena in downtown (UA goes into downtown Akron) via a slight sales tax increase. If it ever gets to the ballot (and having AAC type payouts would help since UA would be able to kick in more of the cost), Summit County (where Akron is located) is heavily Democratic ... generally a group more willing to vote a tax increase (and the needed tax increase would put the county at the same rate as the other urban areas of Ohio, so not like it would be some monumental increase). Plus, Summit County is one of the largest in the country that does not have a large arena. So building one by partnering with UA would have benefits beyond just UA basketball.

If Cincinnati stays, there is no need to grab another Ohio school. But if it does get the B12 nod, I think either Akron or Kent State should be on the very short list for expansion, and atop the Ohio school list. The biggest problem the two currently have is they are in the same tier league (along with four other Ohio schools) who all have more football history. So not only does Akron-Kent go head-to-head for local recruits, they are competing against four other instate MAC schools (then Cincy and Ohio State). If one can get out of at least being in the shadow of the other MAC schools, who knows what the ceiling is.
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I understand some of the concern about Wichita's academic standing, but if you look into the research aspect of what we are doing I believe that can make up for some of that perception. There's a lot going on on our campus in regards to academics and research.
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(08-14-2016 09:30 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I understand some of the concern about Wichita's academic standing, but if you look into the research aspect of what we are doing I believe that can make up for some of that perception. There's a lot going on on our campus in regards to academics and research.


Koch brothers donate a **** ton of money to SMU so you are fine
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(08-14-2016 09:43 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(08-14-2016 09:30 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I understand some of the concern about Wichita's academic standing, but if you look into the research aspect of what we are doing I believe that can make up for some of that perception. There's a lot going on on our campus in regards to academics and research.


Koch brothers donate a **** ton of money to SMU so you are fine

Do they? I knew they donated to George Mason but have no idea what other schools. I mostly focus on Wichita. The Koch's have been very good to Wichita, both city and school and donated a lot of money for both academics and athletics.
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You're getting UMass and Marshall.07-coffee3
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(08-15-2016 08:10 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(08-14-2016 09:43 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(08-14-2016 09:30 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I understand some of the concern about Wichita's academic standing, but if you look into the research aspect of what we are doing I believe that can make up for some of that perception. There's a lot going on on our campus in regards to academics and research.


Koch brothers donate a **** ton of money to SMU so you are fine

Do they? I knew they donated to George Mason but have no idea what other schools. I mostly focus on Wichita. The Koch's have been very good to Wichita, both city and school and donated a lot of money for both academics and athletics.

There's money down the drain
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(08-15-2016 09:28 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  You're getting UMass and Marshall.07-coffee3

Honestly, no problem with Marshall if it came to that. I'd only have them a tier below BYU, Boise, CSU, Airforce, SDSU and Army. Good football and good fans. No empty stadium or boring football.
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(08-15-2016 09:28 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  You're getting UMass and Marshall.07-coffee3
Haha!

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(08-12-2016 09:01 PM)IslandHerd1 Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 01:31 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  I don't want Boise, they're a prima donna that's one bad hire away from being Wyoming. I don't want MWC teams west of CO/NM unless we're forming a true western division. Maybe that can happen if we get raided again in 2025

Ironic from a UCF fan wouldn't you agree? You quickly turned into FIU, or would Furman be a better comparable?

The differences between UCF and FIU in enrollment, budget, attendance, ratings, recruiting, etc were not changed by one bad season of football. I don't see FIU on anyone's shortlist of B12 candidates. In what way have we turned into FIU?

But you illustrate my point very well. If Boise had a season like UCF 2015, would they recover? If they have a few bad years are they still going to be able to get CA recruits to choose them over SDSU or Fresno St? Maybe, but it will be a tough sell.
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(08-12-2016 06:00 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 05:57 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  But....MTSU has already sent a letter....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/with-big-12...27411.html
Texas beat writers saying MTSU did that because they were one of the ones shut down by the B12

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Cite the "Texas beat writers" you claim "saying MTSU......were one of the ones shut down by the B12." While there is no University in the present Configuration of CUSA that has more potential or a greater degree of current success in all sports (over the last 4-5 years); the only formal inquiry MT made was to Aresco and that's because of Memphis applying to B12.
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(08-15-2016 01:15 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 06:00 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 05:57 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  But....MTSU has already sent a letter....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/with-big-12...27411.html
Texas beat writers saying MTSU did that because they were one of the ones shut down by the B12

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Cite the "Texas beat writers" you claim "saying MTSU......were one of the ones shut down by the B12." While there is no University in the present Configuration of CUSA that has more potential or a greater degree of current success in all sports (over the last 4-5 years); the only formal inquiry MT made was to Aresco and that's because of Memphis applying to B12.

I believe this. If Ark State was granted time, MTSU would definitely have been granted a look as well.

Every school that has applied has been granted an interview. MTSU imo, brings more to the table than Ark State.
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(08-14-2016 10:08 AM)App10 Wrote:  
(08-13-2016 05:07 PM)Stardust Wrote:  
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(08-12-2016 02:19 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 12:54 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  You did see where App State is 50th in preseason and you are 109th. This is App's second season in full FBS and they already did something that Boise and Marshall didn't do as well as something no Sun Belt football program has done.

Win 11 games, Win a bowl game in their first eligible season. Out recruit and finish in rankings higher than ECU. Academics are rated higher than ECU's. The only thing missing is the athletic budget which would also increase with a move to a conference with more money and more appeal on a week to week basis.

No one that knows football thinks App is anywhere close to ECU both in brand and football respect. Ga Southern and Ark State are ahead of App in almost every category.

LMAO outside of AAC fans, pirate nation, and NC ECU is not nearly as well known as you folks believe. The Michigan win alone did as much for our "brand and football respect" as anything ECU has done.

Before joining the SBC, Appy had a record of like 6-36 all-time against FBS competition. And that includes the "win that App will never let die" over Mich. I have nothing against App, but the fact that you are located in Boone and effectively are still wearing your FBS training wheels, you should wait a while before talking down a school with the history of ECU.

What history? A couple of CUSA championships? A peach bowl win 25 years ago? Fill me in if I missed anything.
Do you really think APP is better known than ECU?
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