ACC athletic directors remained deadlocked Friday on the league’s future football scheduling model and delayed resolution, perhaps until October’s annual fall meeting.

Amy Yakola, the ACC's executive associate commissioner, confirmed that no decision had been reached during the teleconference call that lasted more than an hour.

(08-12-2016 09:40 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  ACC athletic directors remained deadlocked Friday on the league’s future football scheduling model and delayed resolution, perhaps until October’s annual fall meeting.

Amy Yakola, the ACC's executive associate commissioner, confirmed that no decision had been reached during the teleconference call that lasted more than an hour.

I'm guessing that the original schools that voted for 8+1 are the same ones that voted for 8+2, with Miami being the exception, having flipped to the 9+1 camp causing the deadlock. That's just my guess based on Mark Richt publicly stating that now at Miami, he favors 9 conference games.

I much favor the 8+2 model. For the 4 of us with SEC rivals, it makes more sense. I actually agree with Ragu in that wins against OOC P5 teams do far more for the league than beating another ACC team.

David Teel now only has around two months to get one more school to flip to the 9-1 camp, so he is really going to have to come up with some fresh new ideas to illustrate just how indefensible it is to stay at eight games. I'm expecting the number of his articles on the topic to increase dramatically over the next two months. Time is running out! Today's deadlock was a huge bummer in one sense, but also a big relief in another, and he is going to have to burn the midnight oil to come up with some new and exciting reasons on why nine conference games is the bee's knees.

Doing the work of the coastal brigade for years. That's Teel

We have to come up with a compromise. Both choices have pitfalls for certain schools.....so we need to decide which pitfalls are more ok and which aren't. Nobody will get everything they wanted....(looking at you guys ragu and kaplony) but you will get some things. ahhh the life of negotiating.

Now with the Domers floating around helping/hurting everyone scheduling flexibility this can get kinda tricky. But the ACC is on ROCK Solid ground and now we are just deciding were to hang the curtains.
FlossY Out...

The coastal trios idea of compromise is you do what they say and like it. If they want 9 games then go to geographic divisions. There is the give and take. And if they don't like that then tough. Not like unc and uva can go anywhere

I'd like to know how the voting went but I'm sure if that information ever leaks out, it will be long after the decision has been made.

The 8-2 model is better for VT because we already have 2 P5 opponents every year from 2020 to 2025 except 2023 (which has an open date on it) and I don't want any of those prestigious B1G teams to get kicked off the schedule. It would be difficult for all 14 ACC teams to get 2 P5 games OOC every year but maybe ESPN and Fox can convince the Big12 to go to 8-2 if they expand to 12 or 14. That would make it easier for both conferences to fill their schedules. Either that or include some AAC teams as P5.

(08-12-2016 12:56 PM)Ragu Wrote:  The coastal trios idea of compromise is you do what they say and like it. If they want 9 games then go to geographic divisions. There is the give and take. And if they don't like that then tough. Not like unc and uva can go anywhere

FWIW Fedora is firm 8-2 proponent but I don't know how much weight his preference carries with the AD. He would prefer the ability to schedule neutral site games as well as games like ODU,Ga St,& UCF for recruiting purposes. He also acknowledged that their isn't enough inventory for every school to get 2 P5 teams on a yearly basis. Since the goal is to get more TV friendly games then a possible compromise would be to expand the P5 waver to more teams like ECU,Navy, etc

(08-12-2016 04:22 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Since the goal is to get more TV friendly games then a possible compromise would be to expand the P5 waver to more teams like ECU,Navy, etc

That is really up to ESPN, but almost any compromise that keeps the number of conference games at eight, works for me. I'd guess that if they did go for this, they would want at least one of the two non-ACC OOC to be a true P5, but they could possibly be flexible on second one, especially if it is one of their properties.

What I'd like to see is ESPN take a more active role in facilitating some additional match-ups of their other properties with the ACC schools to help out. Put together some more SEC vs ACC, Boise State vs ACC, BYU vs ACC, and AAC vs ACC if they are cool with those counting. That should give them content on both sides.

Could an argument be made that the 17 schools that the Big 12 is interviewing could count as P5 games? If you also allow cross division ooc games that increases the possible pool by 24 teams.

Ken Sugiura - "A benefit of playing a nine-game league schedule is that it would enable teams to play cross-division opponents more frequently. Tech plays the six Atlantic Division teams (besides Clemson, its permanent partner) twice in a 12-year period.

With the eight-plus-two model, athletic directors (particularly those without a built-in rivalry game against an SEC opponent) have concerns about finding two power-conference games annually, particularly when the Big 10, Big 12 and Pac-12 play nine-game league schedules, reducing the number of available opponents."

AJC Link
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/a...e-s/nsFQw/

(08-12-2016 04:22 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:56 PM)Ragu Wrote:  The coastal trios idea of compromise is you do what they say and like it. If they want 9 games then go to geographic divisions. There is the give and take. And if they don't like that then tough. Not like unc and uva can go anywhere

FWIW Fedora is firm 8-2 proponent but I don't know how much weight his preference carries with the AD. He would prefer the ability to schedule neutral site games as well as games like ODU,Ga St,& UCF for recruiting purposes. He also acknowledged that their isn't enough inventory for every school to get 2 P5 teams on a yearly basis. Since the goal is to get more TV friendly games then a possible compromise would be to expand the P5 waver to more teams like ECU,Navy, etc

The NCAA rule mandates a round robin in your division. The only way around that is an unequal sized divisions.

For the sake of argument lets says FSU, Miami, Clemson, VT, Pitt, Duke, and Louisville are given the 8 confernece games they desire and placed into one division. They play 6 confernece games, a rival, and then rotate the other 7.

Then GT, UNC, NC State, UVA, WF, Syracuse, and BC are placed into 9 game division, however they would need an 8th division member. The member could be Navy.

Navy would play only these 7 division schools and for their 8th and 9th game, they could be allowed to count Army and Air Force, or ND.

Rivals could be:

8 9

Miami - BC
FSU - GT
Clemson - NCSU
Duke - UNC
VT - UVa
Pitt - Syracuse
Louis - WF

None - Navy

The ACC would be getting 7 games from Navy, 5 from ND, and the four from the SEC - 16 games and only 12 more would be needed in any one year. Navy would not participate in Basketball. Their annual schedule would be fixed with BC, GT, NCSU, UNC, UVA, Syracuse, WF, Army, Air Force, ND so they have to find only two games a year.

The 8 game division can't claim the 9 game division gets a benefit.

However I don't know the value of Navy in such a scenario and I'm not sure you can expand out of the problem.

(08-12-2016 05:15 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Ken Sugiura - "A benefit of playing a nine-game league schedule is that it would enable teams to play cross-division opponents more frequently. Tech plays the six Atlantic Division teams (besides Clemson, its permanent partner) twice in a 12-year period.

With the eight-plus-two model, athletic directors (particularly those without a built-in rivalry game against an SEC opponent) have concerns about finding two power-conference games annually, particularly when the Big 10, Big 12 and Pac-12 play nine-game league schedules, reducing the number of available opponents."

AJC Link
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/a...e-s/nsFQw/

It's appears that ESPN is not on board with ACC OOC games as non-conference league P5s as some have suggested could be a solution.

Per sources....The real reason why there was not decision to go to 9 games was out of respect for the schools with built in rivalries with SEC schools. The delay is suppose to allow ACC ADs to contact non league P5s about scheduling OOC starting in 2019 and on....

I imagine when they meet in October the ADs will either have all setup 2 OOC with P5s for 2019 and beyond or they will be close... so staying at 8 plus 2 is obviously wise...or they will flip to 9 game Conf schedule...

I was told that the league will not lose the TV deal so we might see FSU and Clemson help schools like Cuse and BC schedule 2 P5s if they really want to stay at an 8 plus 2 model....

GT has just changed their schedule to meet an 8 plus 2 model with the flexibility to go to a 9 game conference schedule if needed..

(08-11-2016 11:42 PM)Schema Wrote:  I find it slightly interesting that UNC agreed to a Home and Home with UCF on the same week that there is a vote on whether or not to expand to a 9+1 model or 8+2. In particular, the 2018 game will bring UCF to Chapel Hill and there are already three other OOC games scheduled that year, with one being a P5 in Cal. So, my thoughts are... 1) They don't anticipate the 9+1 or 8+2 going into effect until 2019, meaning they will still be able to have four OOC games in 2018, 2) They may already know that the 8+2 proposal may include teams like UCF in addition to actual P5 + ND +BYU, or 3) They think UCF has a very good shot at being in the Big 12. Obviously, I put the third one there in jest because no one knows what the Big 12 is going to do, including themselves. However, the bottom line is that announcing a new Home and Home on the same week that future scheduling rules are going to change is odd.

Georgia TECH being a team playa here...Just ensured that they will be on board with whatever happens... In talks with Arkansas for a Home and Home in 2018/19 if we go 8 plus 2.... If we go to a 9 plus 1 we will just add FCS game in the 2022 through 2026... Come on ACC teams how hard can this be??? Get on board!!!

2016
09/10 - Mercer
09/17 - Vanderbilt
10/15 - Georgia Southern
11/26 - at Georgia

2017
Sept. 4 -- vs. Tennessee (Mercedes-Benz Stadium -- Atlanta)
Sept. 9 -- JACKSONVILLE STATE
Sept. 16 -- at UCF
Nov. 25 -- GEORGIA

2018
Sept. 8 -- at USF
Sept. 29 -- BOWLING GREEN
Nov. 24 -- at Georgia

2019
Sept. 7 -- USF
Nov. 30 -- GEORGIA
TBD -- at Tulane

2020
Sept. 19 -- UCF
Nov. 14 -- NOTRE DAME
Nov. 28 -- at Georgia

2021
Sept. 4 -- KENNESAW STATE
Nov. 20 -- at Notre Dame
Nov. 27 -- GEORGIA

2022
Sept. 17 -- OLE MISS
Nov. 26 -- at Georgia

2023
Sept. 16 -- at Ole Miss
Nov. 25 -- GEORGIA

2024
Oct. 19 -- NOTRE DAME
Nov. 30 -- at Georgia

2025
Aug. 30 -- at Colorado
Nov. 29 -- GEORGIA

2026
Sept. 5 -- COLORADO
Nov. 28 -- at Georgia

(08-13-2016 05:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:15 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Ken Sugiura - "A benefit of playing a nine-game league schedule is that it would enable teams to play cross-division opponents more frequently. Tech plays the six Atlantic Division teams (besides Clemson, its permanent partner) twice in a 12-year period.

With the eight-plus-two model, athletic directors (particularly those without a built-in rivalry game against an SEC opponent) have concerns about finding two power-conference games annually, particularly when the Big 10, Big 12 and Pac-12 play nine-game league schedules, reducing the number of available opponents."

AJC Link
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/a...e-s/nsFQw/

It's appears that ESPN is not on board with ACC OOC games as non-conference league P5s as some have suggested could be a solution.

Per sources....The real reason why there was not decision to go to 9 games was out of respect for the schools with built in rivalries with SEC schools. The delay is suppose to allow ACC ADs to contact non league P5s about scheduling OOC starting in 2019 and on....

I imagine when they meet in October the ADs will either have all setup 2 OOC with P5s for 2019 and beyond or they will be close... so staying at 8 plus 2 is obviously wise...or they will flip to 9 game Conf schedule...

I was told that the league will not lose the TV deal so we might see FSU and Clemson help schools like Cuse and BC schedule 2 P5s if they really want to stay at an 8 plus 2 model....

GT has just changed their schedule to meet an 8 plus 2 model with the flexibility to go to a 9 game conference schedule if needed..

Why would SU and BC need help from FSU and Clemson to get ooc P5 games on the schedule?

(08-13-2016 08:02 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 05:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:15 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Ken Sugiura - "A benefit of playing a nine-game league schedule is that it would enable teams to play cross-division opponents more frequently. Tech plays the six Atlantic Division teams (besides Clemson, its permanent partner) twice in a 12-year period.

With the eight-plus-two model, athletic directors (particularly those without a built-in rivalry game against an SEC opponent) have concerns about finding two power-conference games annually, particularly when the Big 10, Big 12 and Pac-12 play nine-game league schedules, reducing the number of available opponents."

AJC Link
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/a...e-s/nsFQw/

It's appears that ESPN is not on board with ACC OOC games as non-conference league P5s as some have suggested could be a solution.

Per sources....The real reason why there was not decision to go to 9 games was out of respect for the schools with built in rivalries with SEC schools. The delay is suppose to allow ACC ADs to contact non league P5s about scheduling OOC starting in 2019 and on....

I imagine when they meet in October the ADs will either have all setup 2 OOC with P5s for 2019 and beyond or they will be close... so staying at 8 plus 2 is obviously wise...or they will flip to 9 game Conf schedule...

I was told that the league will not lose the TV deal so we might see FSU and Clemson help schools like Cuse and BC schedule 2 P5s if they really want to stay at an 8 plus 2 model....

GT has just changed their schedule to meet an 8 plus 2 model with the flexibility to go to a 9 game conference schedule if needed..

Why would SU and BC need help from FSU and Clemson to get ooc P5 games on the schedule?

Have you seen the future schedules? Cuse ain't so bad, but the other teams are probably tired of all the whining already...

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(08-12-2016 09:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 09:01 AM)Dasville Wrote:  A consideration for UofL that others may not have (at least for some years) is that, as part of our exit agreement, we are obligated to play some AAC teams for some amount of years. The implication could be that, with a 9 game ACC conference schedule, and ND, and uk, and the AAC obligation, we might decide to vote for the 8+2 model just for some flexibility. We already have Bama and Purdue and IU on the schedule in future years.

Pure speculation on my part but it seems like it is at least something to consider.

First time I've seen that... How many games against the AAC is UL required to play?

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This may have already been answered, but Louisville's contractual obligation with the AAC ends with this season's Houston game.

(08-13-2016 09:07 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 09:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 09:01 AM)Dasville Wrote:  A consideration for UofL that others may not have (at least for some years) is that, as part of our exit agreement, we are obligated to play some AAC teams for some amount of years. The implication could be that, with a 9 game ACC conference schedule, and ND, and uk, and the AAC obligation, we might decide to vote for the 8+2 model just for some flexibility. We already have Bama and Purdue and IU on the schedule in future years.

Pure speculation on my part but it seems like it is at least something to consider.

First time I've seen that... How many games against the AAC is UL required to play?

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This may have already been answered, but Louisville's contractual obligation with the AAC ends with this season's Houston game.

Good and thank you for the info.!

The SEC plays 8 conference games. Expect ESPN to demand that they move to match the ACC agreement, whether 8+2 or 9+1. The purpose is the same as for the ACC, better conference network games. The SEC is noted for weak scheduling among several teams and this will become an issue if all other P5 conferences are at 9 conference games. Alternatively, as four schools from each conference already are tied to a game with each other, the remaining 10 could schedule games amongst themselves. Either way, ESPN benefits with more attractive games for their respective networks.

With the new ACC deal in place, it is easier for the demand to be placed on the ACC. Also, as SEC fans tend to be more loyal to their teams, the SECN may not be as able to force the issue unless all other conferences are at 9 conference games with the alternative of the ACC and SEC playing an inter-conference game annually.

I personally don't care whether the ACC goes with the 8+2 or 9+1, I see positive and negative consequences each way. I understand each team's (and fans') perspective and believe that the ADs will work out an agreement.

One other point to consider is that ESPN may be facilitating the ultimate goal of making an upper tier clear cut as many have suggested by virtually cutting off the G5 access to the P5. Already, the Div. 1AA (FCS) teams are limited to one game annually v. any Div 1A (FBS) team. Now the G5 will be relegated to the same status. The G5 could argue for the abolishment of the FCS to double their access to two games (the B1G is already on track to limit play to only FBS level teams.