Two options provided by ESPN: expand the league schedule from eight to nine games, while continuing to play at least one outside Power Five opponent annually; or, remain at eight conference games and play at least two "nonleague" Power Fives each season.
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If they are going to be scheduling two nonleague P5s they better get going on that!!
(08-10-2016 08:05 PM)GTFletch Wrote: [ -> ]If they are going to be scheduling two nonleague P5s they better get going on that!!
Either way teams will need a phase in period. Some teams already have 4 non-conference games scheduled in future years; if the ACC went to 9 conference games they would have to either buy out or reschedule one of those games.
(08-10-2016 09:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2016 08:05 PM)GTFletch Wrote: [ -> ]If they are going to be scheduling two nonleague P5s they better get going on that!!
Either way teams will need a phase in period. Some teams already have 4 non-conference games scheduled in future years; if the ACC went to 9 conference games they would have to either buy out or reschedule one of those games.
NC State has been burned on this twice.
The math is daunting, that means 23 P5 games have to be scheduled every year with 5 already spoken for with ND. There are only 50 schools and just 38 outside the P12. Given that a number of SEC schools will not play more than one P-5 game, that shrinks the universe down even further. It's further complicated by trying to sandwich these games into the first 4 weeks of the season other than the year end SEC games.
Unless schools like Navy, BYU, and some AAC schools are elevated to count toward this, I don't see it working every year.
(08-10-2016 09:22 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2016 09:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2016 08:05 PM)GTFletch Wrote: [ -> ]If they are going to be scheduling two nonleague P5s they better get going on that!!
Either way teams will need a phase in period. Some teams already have 4 non-conference games scheduled in future years; if the ACC went to 9 conference games they would have to either buy out or reschedule one of those games.
NC State has been burned on this twice.
The math is daunting, that means 23 P5 games have to be scheduled every year with 5 already spoken for with ND. There are only 50 schools and just 38 outside the P12. Given that a number of SEC schools will not play more than one P-5 game, that shrinks the universe down even further. It's further complicated by trying to sandwich these games into the first 4 weeks of the season other than the year end SEC games.
Unless schools like Navy, BYU, and some AAC schools are elevated to count toward this, I don't see it working every year.
Agree we will be going to a 9 game conference schedule at the launch of the ACC Network!! Not enough ACC teams going to be able to schedule 2 nonleague P5 times year in and year out!!
8-2 becomes a lot more manageable if these series are locked in as annual games. Then you're just looking for one p5 game except for the years you get Notre Dame.
FSU-Florida
Clemson-South Carolina
GT-UGa
Louisville-Kentucky
WF-UNC
Duke-NC State
Pitt-WVU or Pitt-Penn State if an agreement can be reached
VT-WVU or VT-Tennessee if an agreement can be reached
UVA-Maryland
Syracuse-Rutgers
BC-Miami or BC-UConn assuming the Big XII takes them
Miami can probably get two P5 opponents per year without much trouble.
(08-10-2016 09:56 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote: [ -> ]8-2 becomes a lot more manageable if these series are locked in as annual games. Then you're just looking for one p5 game except for the years you get Notre Dame.
FSU-Florida
Clemson-South Carolina
GT-UGa
Louisville-Kentucky
WF-UNC
Duke-NC State
Pitt-WVU or Pitt-Penn State if an agreement can be reached
VT-WVU or VT-Tennessee if an agreement can be reached
UVA-Maryland
Syracuse-Rutgers
BC-Miami or BC-UConn assuming the Big XII takes them
Miami can probably get two P5 opponents per year without much trouble.
The only way an agreement can be reached is at a neutral site for VT-Tennessee. Tennessee always wants a 2 for 1 and VT will not agree to it.
I like 8-2, but I think ease of scheduling will drive us to 9-1. If I were Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville, I would try to get neutral site games (that pay both teams like a home game) for the 2nd OOC P5.
(08-11-2016 12:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2016 09:56 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote: [ -> ]8-2 becomes a lot more manageable if these series are locked in as annual games. Then you're just looking for one p5 game except for the years you get Notre Dame.
FSU-Florida
Clemson-South Carolina
GT-UGa
Louisville-Kentucky
WF-UNC
Duke-NC State
Pitt-WVU or Pitt-Penn State if an agreement can be reached
VT-WVU or VT-Tennessee if an agreement can be reached
UVA-Maryland
Syracuse-Rutgers
BC-Miami or BC-UConn assuming the Big XII takes them
Miami can probably get two P5 opponents per year without much trouble.
The only way an agreement can be reached is at a neutral site for VT-Tennessee. Tennessee always wants a 2 for 1 and VT will not agree to it.
The short term problem with nine conference games is that many schools have four non-conference games scheduled for several years into the future. Even though it may be easier to go to nine conference games than to two P5 games, there are still transition problems and the transition problems can affect conference standings.
Count BYU, Boise, Army, NAVY, Cincinnati, UCF & Houston as P5.
Maybe Tennessee would agree to 1 home, 1 away, 1 neutral site deal with VT. Given the demand for this year's game in Bristol it seems like there is a lot of money to be made to motivate the Vols.
Why not schedule inside the conference like UNC/Wake? I hear a lot of FSU fans complaining about not playing GaTech. Why not schedule them. Same with Duke/State, etc.
(08-11-2016 09:44 AM)Indytarheel Wrote: [ -> ]Why not schedule inside the conference like UNC/Wake? I hear a lot of FSU fans complaining about not playing GaTech. Why not schedule them. Same with Duke/State, etc.
8+2 gives the flexibility to do that... or not.
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(08-11-2016 09:23 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Tennessee would agree to 1 home, 1 away, 1 neutral site deal with VT. Given the demand for this year's game in Bristol it seems like there is a lot of money to be made to motivate the Vols.
Probably depends on whether VT wins this year. Tennessee is favored but they also have a history of being over-rated.
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So the obvious "elephant" question is, and particularly for Wake Forest... Does "Tulane" count as a P5 opponent...?
I would like this for Louisville:
9 ACC games
Kentucky Annually
2 P-5 teams
P-5 Pool:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Illinois
Indiana
Georgia
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Penn State
Purdue
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
(08-11-2016 09:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-11-2016 09:23 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Tennessee would agree to 1 home, 1 away, 1 neutral site deal with VT. Given the demand for this year's game in Bristol it seems like there is a lot of money to be made to motivate the Vols.
Probably depends on whether VT wins this year. Tennessee is favored but they also have a history of being over-rated.
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Tennessee is not going to play an away game in NC or Va. They are too risk averse for that as it could hurt their recruiting of the two states. NC State found that out when they reneged on a series with us in 2011 and 2012 or so and would then only play in Atlanta and the game ended up on a Friday afternoon on Labor Day weekend.
Just for clarification, does the 8+2 allow for ooc conference games between teams from opposite division? If so, it seems like the least restrictive choice.
(08-11-2016 09:44 AM)Indytarheel Wrote: [ -> ]Why not schedule inside the conference like UNC/Wake? I hear a lot of FSU fans complaining about not playing GaTech. Why not schedule them. Same with Duke/State, etc.
Duke does not want the game if it does not count in the standings. They have made that clear to us. Duke has baked in set of P-5 rivals that will play them home and away now that such games are being mandated by conferences. Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Stanford are three such schools, plus Duke doesn't need to make a big profit off football to fund the other programs so they can afford to play home and away with P12 schools whereas NC State doesn't do that and instead funnels that money into the rest of the sports programs.
(08-11-2016 11:17 AM)Dasville Wrote: [ -> ]Just for clarification, does the 8+2 allow for ooc conference games between teams from opposite division? If so, it seems like the least restrictive choice.
Yes it does. The options according to Teel are:
9 ACC games plus 1 "outside" P5, or
8 ACC games with 2 "big-league" games.
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