(08-09-2016 10:12 AM)btiger Wrote:  will the fanbase rally and support the program......or will they throw up their hands and give up.

gonna be interesting

if we are left out, you and the boys from Bluto's secret board will be happy, and TC will be proven to be a liar.

(08-11-2016 04:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 02:49 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 02:18 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Going to be interesting to see how many bassetball fans we have when the p5 dumps the ncaa. Guess we can move back to elma roane fieldhouse. Big games vs ut martin and murray state. It will be fun.

Fortunately that won't affect the tournament. Vast majority of viewers are casual fans who love the little guys and pull for upsets. Talked to several CBB experts who think the money would go down on renewal if it was just P5. BORING!!!

Think #1 KY playing #16 Minnesota first round. Who is going to go crazy if Minny wins. Only KY haters.

What part of break away was confusing. Complete break. P5 will have their own tounament, they will no longer be part of the ncaa. The ncaa may have a tourney but it wont include p5 schools. The ncaa will no longer get subsidized by p5 schools. Its not complicated. It will happen.

You are arrogant. Who said it was confusing? How do YOU know what the NCAA may do? CBS would not go along with this and most P5 schools wouldn't want it. They like to beat up on the 10-30th rated conferences in first game. Just doesn't always happen though.

And that's why most casual fans watch Tourney.

(08-11-2016 11:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 06:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 04:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 02:49 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Fortunately that won't affect the tournament. Vast majority of viewers are casual fans who love the little guys and pull for upsets. Talked to several CBB experts who think the money would go down on renewal if it was just P5. BORING!!!

Think #1 KY playing #16 Minnesota first round. Who is going to go crazy if Minny wins. Only KY haters.

What part of break away was confusing. Complete break. P5 will have their own tounament, they will no longer be part of the ncaa. The ncaa may have a tourney but it wont include p5 schools. The ncaa will no longer get subsidized by p5 schools. Its not complicated. It will happen.

And will be a total failure according to those in know. Spent a lot of time on this with CBB analysts and TV guys. March Madness would become March Blandness. Who would watch except hardcore fans and those of 60 some odd P5 schools?

Haha. Wishing and hoping. P5 will do it and the networks will pay. Some will whine about the non p5s being left out. After a few years though no one will care. Its inevitable. Best recruits will go p5 so it wont matter. Ncaa tourney becomes the nit.

Well you are dead wrong and virtually every CBB expert in every facet of the game disagree with you. But keep on thinking how smart you are.

Too bad cbb experts wont make the decisions. Its not a matter of smart or dumb. There is no tournament without the p5s and they want all the money, just like in football. The ncaa will be replaced by a p5 governance group and they will have their own tournament. Just a matter of time. The field house isnt so bad.

BeeTiger if we don't get in.

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What I don't get is this: if it is about the $, how can the Big 12 say no to Fed Ex?

(08-11-2016 11:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 06:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 04:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 02:49 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Fortunately that won't affect the tournament. Vast majority of viewers are casual fans who love the little guys and pull for upsets. Talked to several CBB experts who think the money would go down on renewal if it was just P5. BORING!!!

Think #1 KY playing #16 Minnesota first round. Who is going to go crazy if Minny wins. Only KY haters.

What part of break away was confusing. Complete break. P5 will have their own tounament, they will no longer be part of the ncaa. The ncaa may have a tourney but it wont include p5 schools. The ncaa will no longer get subsidized by p5 schools. Its not complicated. It will happen.

And will be a total failure according to those in know. Spent a lot of time on this with CBB analysts and TV guys. March Madness would become March Blandness. Who would watch except hardcore fans and those of 60 some odd P5 schools?

Haha. Wishing and hoping. P5 will do it and the networks will pay. Some will whine about the non p5s being left out. After a few years though no one will care. Its inevitable. Best recruits will go p5 so it wont matter. Ncaa tourney becomes the nit.

Well you are dead wrong and virtually every CBB expert in every facet of the game disagree with you. But keep on thinking how smart you are.

I am not trying to gang up on you ,but Gary Parish just said yesterday the executives at CBS don't want Cinderella in the final four they want Duke,OSU,North Carolina . I would not swear to it but it sounds like the TV people don't care if the P5 break away. That is where all the money comes from.

(08-12-2016 02:14 AM)MemphisTigersFootball Wrote:  What I don't get is this: if it is about the $, how can the Big 12 say no to Fed Ex?

Because who knows what money other schools have backing them that's not public.

(08-12-2016 02:14 AM)MemphisTigersFootball Wrote:  What I don't get is this: if it is about the $, how can the Big 12 say no to Fed Ex?

Maybe because this could be a 50-100 plus year decision...and not a short-term decision (i.e. the few extra $$$ some Big 12 teams would get with "promise" from FedEx).

Maybe other schools will bring in more $$ to the Conf over the next 10, 20, 50 plus years...vs some additional $$ for just a few years from Memphis?

Maybe market size, school size, new markets, digital footprint (i.e. alumni/fans all over the country, etc...to capture with new digital platforms, etc...) will all play a factor.

Or...could it just be pride, as in Presidents of Big 12 Schools don't want to think some candidate didn't qualify on their own merits but had to buy their way in.

No one knows...as the Big 12 might decide to stay pat at 10 teams...or expand by just 2 teams...or maybe...expand by 4 teams.

Only the Presidents might end up being the only ones who will ever know why certain team(s) got in and/or certain team(s) didn't get in.

(08-12-2016 06:15 AM)FUB Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 06:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 04:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  What part of break away was confusing. Complete break. P5 will have their own tounament, they will no longer be part of the ncaa. The ncaa may have a tourney but it wont include p5 schools. The ncaa will no longer get subsidized by p5 schools. Its not complicated. It will happen.

And will be a total failure according to those in know. Spent a lot of time on this with CBB analysts and TV guys. March Madness would become March Blandness. Who would watch except hardcore fans and those of 60 some odd P5 schools?

Haha. Wishing and hoping. P5 will do it and the networks will pay. Some will whine about the non p5s being left out. After a few years though no one will care. Its inevitable. Best recruits will go p5 so it wont matter. Ncaa tourney becomes the nit.

Well you are dead wrong and virtually every CBB expert in every facet of the game disagree with you. But keep on thinking how smart you are.

I am not trying to gang up on you ,but Gary Parish just said yesterday the executives at CBS don't want Cinderella in the final four they want Duke,OSU,North Carolina . I would not swear to it but it sounds like the TV people don't care if the P5 break away. That is where all the money comes from.

I really don't care how many disagree with me; it's all opinions anyway. DeCourcy, Wolken, Bilas, Vitale, Davis, etc all disagree with you and our homegrown Parrish.

(08-11-2016 11:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 06:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 04:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  What part of break away was confusing. Complete break. P5 will have their own tounament, they will no longer be part of the ncaa. The ncaa may have a tourney but it wont include p5 schools. The ncaa will no longer get subsidized by p5 schools. Its not complicated. It will happen.

And will be a total failure according to those in know. Spent a lot of time on this with CBB analysts and TV guys. March Madness would become March Blandness. Who would watch except hardcore fans and those of 60 some odd P5 schools?

Haha. Wishing and hoping. P5 will do it and the networks will pay. Some will whine about the non p5s being left out. After a few years though no one will care. Its inevitable. Best recruits will go p5 so it wont matter. Ncaa tourney becomes the nit.

Well you are dead wrong and virtually every CBB expert in every facet of the game disagree with you. But keep on thinking how smart you are.

Too bad cbb experts wont make the decisions. Its not a matter of smart or dumb. There is no tournament without the p5s and they want all the money, just like in football. The ncaa will be replaced by a p5 governance group and they will have their own tournament. Just a matter of time. The field house isnt so bad.

If so, they will find out real quick that CBB ain't CFB and ratings will be abysmal.

Cinderella sells the first week of the tournament. They are a ratings disaster for weekends 2 and 3.

(08-12-2016 10:52 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 06:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  And will be a total failure according to those in know. Spent a lot of time on this with CBB analysts and TV guys. March Madness would become March Blandness. Who would watch except hardcore fans and those of 60 some odd P5 schools?

Haha. Wishing and hoping. P5 will do it and the networks will pay. Some will whine about the non p5s being left out. After a few years though no one will care. Its inevitable. Best recruits will go p5 so it wont matter. Ncaa tourney becomes the nit.

Well you are dead wrong and virtually every CBB expert in every facet of the game disagree with you. But keep on thinking how smart you are.

Too bad cbb experts wont make the decisions. Its not a matter of smart or dumb. There is no tournament without the p5s and they want all the money, just like in football. The ncaa will be replaced by a p5 governance group and they will have their own tournament. Just a matter of time. The field house isnt so bad.

If so, they will find out real quick that CBB ain't CFB and ratings will be abysmal.

That just your hope. Its gonna happen. The first steps have been implemented

(08-12-2016 12:54 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:52 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Haha. Wishing and hoping. P5 will do it and the networks will pay. Some will whine about the non p5s being left out. After a few years though no one will care. Its inevitable. Best recruits will go p5 so it wont matter. Ncaa tourney becomes the nit.

Well you are dead wrong and virtually every CBB expert in every facet of the game disagree with you. But keep on thinking how smart you are.

Too bad cbb experts wont make the decisions. Its not a matter of smart or dumb. There is no tournament without the p5s and they want all the money, just like in football. The ncaa will be replaced by a p5 governance group and they will have their own tournament. Just a matter of time. The field house isnt so bad.

If so, they will find out real quick that CBB ain't CFB and ratings will be abysmal.

That just your hope. Its gonna happen. The first steps have been implemented

You are basically alone with your opinion.

Betcha we ain't getting our deposit back.

(08-12-2016 07:13 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:14 AM)MemphisTigersFootball Wrote:  What I don't get is this: if it is about the $, how can the Big 12 say no to Fed Ex?

Because who knows what money other schools have backing them that's not public.

Heeeeeyyyyy, somebody gets it.

(08-12-2016 01:11 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:54 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:52 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Well you are dead wrong and virtually every CBB expert in every facet of the game disagree with you. But keep on thinking how smart you are.

Too bad cbb experts wont make the decisions. Its not a matter of smart or dumb. There is no tournament without the p5s and they want all the money, just like in football. The ncaa will be replaced by a p5 governance group and they will have their own tournament. Just a matter of time. The field house isnt so bad.

If so, they will find out real quick that CBB ain't CFB and ratings will be abysmal.

That just your hope. Its gonna happen. The first steps have been implemented

You are basically alone with your opinion.

You are in denial. Its just a matter of time

(08-09-2016 07:30 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 06:33 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 02:35 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 02:12 PM)Timandjen94 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 12:31 PM)btiger Wrote:  dang....

What did the text message say:

F the Big12. Greedy C*&cksuckers.

GD extortionists.

This was from someone who had previously seemed very optimistic.

Is this from the secret "Bluta board" ?

Never heard of it

Only thing I've heard is No Gurls Allowed!!! Might just be me, the thread hijacker, who ain't welcome. lol. Even the 80 dollah board don't want my $.

Maybe I'll go rogue....

OK. Back to the OP.

The world is still Ours, Memphis, no matter what happens.

(08-12-2016 01:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 01:11 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:54 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:52 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 11:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Too bad cbb experts wont make the decisions. Its not a matter of smart or dumb. There is no tournament without the p5s and they want all the money, just like in football. The ncaa will be replaced by a p5 governance group and they will have their own tournament. Just a matter of time. The field house isnt so bad.

If so, they will find out real quick that CBB ain't CFB and ratings will be abysmal.

That just your hope. Its gonna happen. The first steps have been implemented

You are basically alone with your opinion.

You are in denial. Its just a matter of time

I don't think the P5 conferences will break away from the NCAA for several reasons. First, administration and logistics -- the NCAA (as maligned as it deserves to be) handles a tremendous amount of day-to-day management of a vast array of college athletics. If the P5 leaves the NCAA, then all of those administrative burdens falls upon the P5. They'd have to form some sort of organization to run college athletics and incur the cost, time, and effort of that endeavor. Or they'd have to pay someone to do it. Why do that when the NCAA has been doing it and will continue to do it. There's no need to reinvent the wheel here.

Second, the only valuable property left is March Madness - which is the sole revenue source of the NCAA. I'm not saying the P5 aren't greedy (cuz they are), but compared to CFB, CBB doesn't even come close. You're not gaining all that much, in my opinion, by breaking away.

Finally, and more importantly, the P5 need the NCAA for legal reasons. If the P5 were to break away and form their own organization, and by rule or agreement, keep out all of the other G5 schools from competing, then the P5 would have serious anti-trust exposure. And that is an existential threat, my friend. As it stands today, all G5 and P5 schools are part of the same organization. It would be very difficult legally to claim an anti-trust injury, when you're part of the same NCAA as the parties you claim injured you. In short, the P5 needs the NCAA to provide legal cover.

Not saying it won't happen, but I think the best chance went out the window when the NCAA voted to allow greater autonomy to the P5 when it comes to CFB. If the P5 didn't do it then, I don't think it will ever come to pass.

(08-12-2016 02:31 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 01:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 01:11 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:54 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:52 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  If so, they will find out real quick that CBB ain't CFB and ratings will be abysmal.

That just your hope. Its gonna happen. The first steps have been implemented

You are basically alone with your opinion.

You are in denial. Its just a matter of time

I don't think the P5 conferences will break away from the NCAA for several reasons. First, administration and logistics -- the NCAA (as maligned as it deserves to be) handles a tremendous amount of day-to-day management of a vast array of college athletics. If the P5 leaves the NCAA, then all of those administrative burdens falls upon the P5. They'd have to form some sort of organization to run college athletics and incur the cost, time, and effort of that endeavor. Or they'd have to pay someone to do it. Why do that when the NCAA has been doing it and will continue to do it. There's no need to reinvent the wheel here.

Second, the only valuable property left is March Madness - which is the sole revenue source of the NCAA. I'm not saying the P5 aren't greedy (cuz they are), but compared to CFB, CBB doesn't even come close. You're not gaining all that much, in my opinion, by breaking away.

Finally, and more importantly, the P5 need the NCAA for legal reasons. If the P5 were to break away and form their own organization, and by rule or agreement, keep out all of the other G5 schools from competing, then the P5 would have serious anti-trust exposure. And that is an existential threat, my friend. As it stands today, all G5 and P5 schools are part of the same organization. It would be very difficult legally to claim an anti-trust injury, when you're part of the same NCAA as the parties you claim injured you. In short, the P5 needs the NCAA to provide legal cover.

Not saying it won't happen, but I think the best chance went out the window when the NCAA voted to allow greater autonomy to the P5 when it comes to CFB. If the P5 didn't do it then, I don't think it will ever come to pass.

How would splitting a huge entity into two be considerd an anti trust problem. Spliiting is the very opposite. Lol

Schools are members of the ncaa. I start a new organization tomorrow and call it the p5aa and they all join. The p5aa has a tourney. The ncaa has a tourney, guess who gets paid large. It wiil happen. Two competing organizations is the definition of breaking a monopoly. Thats an existential fact.

(08-12-2016 03:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:31 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 01:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 01:11 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:54 PM)shere khan Wrote:  That just your hope. Its gonna happen. The first steps have been implemented

You are basically alone with your opinion.

You are in denial. Its just a matter of time

I don't think the P5 conferences will break away from the NCAA for several reasons. First, administration and logistics -- the NCAA (as maligned as it deserves to be) handles a tremendous amount of day-to-day management of a vast array of college athletics. If the P5 leaves the NCAA, then all of those administrative burdens falls upon the P5. They'd have to form some sort of organization to run college athletics and incur the cost, time, and effort of that endeavor. Or they'd have to pay someone to do it. Why do that when the NCAA has been doing it and will continue to do it. There's no need to reinvent the wheel here.

Second, the only valuable property left is March Madness - which is the sole revenue source of the NCAA. I'm not saying the P5 aren't greedy (cuz they are), but compared to CFB, CBB doesn't even come close. You're not gaining all that much, in my opinion, by breaking away.

Finally, and more importantly, the P5 need the NCAA for legal reasons. If the P5 were to break away and form their own organization, and by rule or agreement, keep out all of the other G5 schools from competing, then the P5 would have serious anti-trust exposure. And that is an existential threat, my friend. As it stands today, all G5 and P5 schools are part of the same organization. It would be very difficult legally to claim an anti-trust injury, when you're part of the same NCAA as the parties you claim injured you. In short, the P5 needs the NCAA to provide legal cover.

Not saying it won't happen, but I think the best chance went out the window when the NCAA voted to allow greater autonomy to the P5 when it comes to CFB. If the P5 didn't do it then, I don't think it will ever come to pass.

How would splitting a huge entity into two be considerd an anti trust problem. Spliiting is the very opposite. Lol

Schools are members of the ncaa. I start a new organization tomorrow and call it the p5aa and they all join. The p5aa has a tourney. The ncaa has a tourney, guess who gets paid large. It wiil happen.

How do you figure five separate distinct conferences are one entity? LOL