What if taking Tubby off of their hands was a prerequisite for getting Texas Tech's Big12 expansion vote? I wonder what we had to promise Georgia Tech under the table to take Pastner...

(08-05-2016 09:33 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  What if taking Tubby off of their hands was a prerequisite for getting their Big12 expansion vote?

Tin foil hat time

But just to indulge during a slow summer day...IF they HAD been FORCED to take Tubby, then surely they could've dictated his staffing, which is seems they had zero control over.

(08-05-2016 09:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:33 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  What if taking Tubby off of their hands was a prerequisite for getting their Big12 expansion vote?

Tin foil hat time

I dismissed the thought almost as quick as it came to me, but stranger things have happened...

(08-05-2016 09:31 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:28 AM)fsquid Wrote:  congrats to them.

Yep.

Some coaches don't need an insecure fanbase to make excuses for their performance in recruiting and on the floor.

Must be nice.

maybe one day you'll have a voice in the matter.

(08-05-2016 09:35 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:31 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:28 AM)fsquid Wrote:  congrats to them.

Yep.

Some coaches don't need an insecure fanbase to make excuses for their performance in recruiting and on the floor.

Must be nice.

maybe one day you'll have a voice in the matter.

RRR

(08-04-2016 02:58 PM)btiger Wrote:  we need fewer hoop dreams and more real fans

(08-05-2016 09:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 07:47 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

Again a coach a season would be considered an anomaly, look up what that means. And your second list extended out to the second season, Tubby has yet to even coach a game at Memphis...

Again, I can find many more examples of guys who took over programs and won quickly.

My point was aimed at the poster who said the "rebuild" should take 3-4 years, which is laughable and the poster who said there shouldn't be S16 expectations by year 2.

Laughable.

Find me one coach who took over a roster with 6 returning players and was in the Sweet 16 by year two, just one example. Again, you seem to really be struggling with the distinction between what happens 95% of the time and 5% of the time...

Do not worry, if Tubby fails we will all remember you told us so before he ever even coached a game. Perhaps we will pool funds and even get you a ribbon and gold star sticker.

(08-05-2016 01:12 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  This thread sucks. In the words of Clark Griswold, "I think you're all ****** in the head."

Also, 'Brooklyn' Gary Parrish (nice accent) can suck my balls. We all know he wanted Memphis to hire some scum bag like Steve Forbes or Andy Kennedy who would have already stacked the roster with a bunch of **** bags and decimated the culture, probably without winning any more than Tubby eventually will. Brooklyn Gary is probably just pissed that he no longer has the access he used to or would have had Memphis hired one of his drinking buddies.

Think about it for a minute. The guy got the job late, convinced his all conference PF Dedric Lawson to return to school, brought in a 3* PG (position of need) in Keon Clergeot, brought in a 5th year xfer in Christian Kessee who should be able to conrtibute, and is now going to fill out the bench with one or two front court reserves / scrubs.

He has said he's more interested in holding the schollies for the right fits next year and building his culture in the meantime. Given his track record, I would think he should get the benefit of the doubt. Especially in the light of the fact that in a fair world we'd be preparing for year 8 of the Josh Pastner era right now.

Give it time folks, give it time.

Great post. Thank you for countering chicken little perspective with factual statements on the status of the roster. I am excited to see how things play out. GTG!!!

I think even with a depleted roster, we'll be top 5 in the American. Not earth shattering, but better than we would have been with the previous regime.

(08-05-2016 10:00 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 07:47 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

Again a coach a season would be considered an anomaly, look up what that means. And your second list extended out to the second season, Tubby has yet to even coach a game at Memphis...

Again, I can find many more examples of guys who took over programs and won quickly.

My point was aimed at the poster who said the "rebuild" should take 3-4 years, which is laughable and the poster who said there shouldn't be S16 expectations by year 2.

Laughable.

Find me one coach who took over a roster with 6 returning players and was in the Sweet 16 by year two, just one example. Again, you seem to really be struggling with the distinction between what happens 95% of the time and 5% of the time...

Do not worry, if Tubby fails we will all remember you told us so before he ever even coached a game. Perhaps we will pool funds and even get you a ribbon and gold star sticker.

Bruce Pearl?

John Calipari pretty much every year?

(08-05-2016 09:15 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:02 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

All 3 of those guys walked into much better situations, far, far better than what Tubby was coming into.

Ollie brought in one guy, Amidah Brimah, who contributed to the NC run, otherwise, the guys were Calhoun holdovers, including SR guard Shabazz Napier, who was an absolute beast.

JTIII did a nice job recruiting his first year, signing Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, but the previous coach didn't leave a dumpster fire either.

Larranaga had a really good veteran squad, and he did well with it, but no one who contributed were players that he brought in.

What about Beard who had to sign TEN guys?

What about Hurley?

Obviously all situations differ and vary.

The point is that it doesn't have to be a massive rebuild.

I hardly call having a Mickey D and several top 100 recruits a dumpster fire....jeebus...

Recruiting to UALR and Buffalo is vastly different, you just aren't competing with the big boys for talent like you are at Memphis. Just yesterday, you expressed disappointment that we weren't in PJ Washington's final 8 ... I don't recall who was listed, but it wasn't Buffalo and UALR.

Admittedly, Beard did one helluva job, some might call it miraculous. Frankly, I have no idea what the situation at Buffalo was before Hurley and I'm not going to take the time to look into it.

Maybe it wasn't a dumpster fire, but I think it's safe to say that Josh severely damaged the brand.

I am however with you in my disappointment in the current state of the roster. More could/should have been done to shore up the depth and I think, barring something very strange happening we are in a lot of trouble this upcoming season.

The main reason I was happy with Tubby's hiring is that I felt there was a ready made recruiting pipeline within the city and I felt he could mend fences and get that pipeline up and running again.

Unfortunately, I don't see a ton of information that leads me to believe he wants to do that, but, the jury is still out.

(08-05-2016 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:00 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 07:47 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

Again a coach a season would be considered an anomaly, look up what that means. And your second list extended out to the second season, Tubby has yet to even coach a game at Memphis...

Again, I can find many more examples of guys who took over programs and won quickly.

My point was aimed at the poster who said the "rebuild" should take 3-4 years, which is laughable and the poster who said there shouldn't be S16 expectations by year 2.

Laughable.

Find me one coach who took over a roster with 6 returning players and was in the Sweet 16 by year two, just one example. Again, you seem to really be struggling with the distinction between what happens 95% of the time and 5% of the time...

Do not worry, if Tubby fails we will all remember you told us so before he ever even coached a game. Perhaps we will pool funds and even get you a ribbon and gold star sticker.

Bruce Pearl?

John Calipari pretty much every year?

WVU brought back 4 scholarship players from the 2013-14 season to the 2014-15 team (added 7 newcomers) and went to the Sweet 16.

(08-05-2016 10:49 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:00 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 07:47 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Again a coach a season would be considered an anomaly, look up what that means. And your second list extended out to the second season, Tubby has yet to even coach a game at Memphis...

Again, I can find many more examples of guys who took over programs and won quickly.

My point was aimed at the poster who said the "rebuild" should take 3-4 years, which is laughable and the poster who said there shouldn't be S16 expectations by year 2.

Laughable.

Find me one coach who took over a roster with 6 returning players and was in the Sweet 16 by year two, just one example. Again, you seem to really be struggling with the distinction between what happens 95% of the time and 5% of the time...

Do not worry, if Tubby fails we will all remember you told us so before he ever even coached a game. Perhaps we will pool funds and even get you a ribbon and gold star sticker.

Bruce Pearl?

John Calipari pretty much every year?

WVU brought back 4 scholarship players from the 2013-14 season to the 2014-15 team (added 7 newcomers) and went to the Sweet 16.

It's no use amigo.

Apparently I've finally learned the lesson for Memphis basketball...it's just impossible to walk into the job and inherit talented players and win within a year or two.

Yes, it can be done at other places, but those are other places.

Yes, it can be done by other coaches, but those are other coaches.

In Memphis, a McDonald's All-American means jack squat.

I was initially on board with the Tubby hire - I wanted to believe in something after the last few years with Pastner. I'm not as high on it now, for the obvious reasons, but I'll give him 2 years to show me SOMETHING. So far...not a good look.

(08-05-2016 10:49 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:00 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 07:47 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Again a coach a season would be considered an anomaly, look up what that means. And your second list extended out to the second season, Tubby has yet to even coach a game at Memphis...

Again, I can find many more examples of guys who took over programs and won quickly.

My point was aimed at the poster who said the "rebuild" should take 3-4 years, which is laughable and the poster who said there shouldn't be S16 expectations by year 2.

Laughable.

Find me one coach who took over a roster with 6 returning players and was in the Sweet 16 by year two, just one example. Again, you seem to really be struggling with the distinction between what happens 95% of the time and 5% of the time...

Do not worry, if Tubby fails we will all remember you told us so before he ever even coached a game. Perhaps we will pool funds and even get you a ribbon and gold star sticker.

Bruce Pearl?

John Calipari pretty much every year?

WVU brought back 4 scholarship players from the 2013-14 season to the 2014-15 team (added 7 newcomers) and went to the Sweet 16.

Cinci brought back 5 scholarship players from their 2013-14 team and went to the 2nd round of the NCAAt in 2014-15. (With an interim coach).

OM had 7 guys return from a 19-14 team and then went to the 2nd round of the NCAAt in 2015.

UNLV had ONLY three (3) scholarship players when Marvin Menzies got the job, shortly after Tubby was hired at Memphis. Menzies has rebuilt the roster and has signed 9 players so far. He has one scholarship left and will probably fill it soon.

http://runrebs.com/2016/07/20/marvin-men...-strategy/

(08-05-2016 10:49 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:00 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 07:47 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Again a coach a season would be considered an anomaly, look up what that means. And your second list extended out to the second season, Tubby has yet to even coach a game at Memphis...

Again, I can find many more examples of guys who took over programs and won quickly.

My point was aimed at the poster who said the "rebuild" should take 3-4 years, which is laughable and the poster who said there shouldn't be S16 expectations by year 2.

Laughable.

Find me one coach who took over a roster with 6 returning players and was in the Sweet 16 by year two, just one example. Again, you seem to really be struggling with the distinction between what happens 95% of the time and 5% of the time...

Do not worry, if Tubby fails we will all remember you told us so before he ever even coached a game. Perhaps we will pool funds and even get you a ribbon and gold star sticker.

Bruce Pearl?

John Calipari pretty much every year?

WVU brought back 4 scholarship players from the 2013-14 season to the 2014-15 team (added 7 newcomers) and went to the Sweet 16.

looks like they added 5 and had a roster of 14

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80...tball_team

(08-05-2016 11:09 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  UNLV had ONLY three (3) scholarship players when Marvin Menzies got the job, shortly after Tubby was hired at Memphis. Menzies has rebuilt the roster and has signed 9 players so far. He has one scholarship left and will probably fill it soon.

http://runrebs.com/2016/07/20/marvin-men...-strategy/

I think Menzies is a good fit there.

Time will tell.

(08-05-2016 11:09 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  UNLV had ONLY three (3) scholarship players when Marvin Menzies got the job, shortly after Tubby was hired at Memphis. Menzies has rebuilt the roster and has signed 9 players so far. He has one scholarship left and will probably fill it soon.

http://runrebs.com/2016/07/20/marvin-men...-strategy/

now that was a smart hire since Menzies was already very connected into that region's recruiting scene. He should have gotten a bigger job way before he did.

You people have got to be kidding me. A dumpster fire?!?

You know who inherited a dumpster fire? Pastner.

Two years down the road, let's see where both programs are.

Gonna be a lot of pizzin' and moaning if Ga. Tech is in the NCAA tournament and we're playing with our d!¢ks.