(07-31-2016 09:09 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 04:10 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Pretty accurate, IMO.

Call me what you want, but anybody who tells you it's a lock at his point is flat wrong. You want to know when you're a lock? When your football team hits the field with a 'Big XII' logo sewn onto it's jersey.

(07-30-2016 02:32 PM)3601 Wrote:  Trotter: I've seen the speculation that this could turn into a reverse auction, but I really don't think that's what will happen. The Big 12 will want its new members to feel like actual members, contribute to the strength of the conference and grow their programs. Gutting their TV revenue completely would go a long way toward doing the opposite. Will the new schools have to take partial distribution for several years? Absolutely. But I've been led to believe this notion of new members getting, say, just $2 million of their $25 million for several years cut is not what the Big 12 will do. By the way, that's what makes Memphis interesting in all this. The Tigers have indicated that FedEx would be willing to cover whatever Memphis would get in partial distribution through the end of the contract, which would give the current Big 12 members extra money while still allowing Memphis to have the cash to grow. I think this could be more of an advantage for Memphis' candidacy than FedEx pledging to sponsor the title game.

This is the best point I've heard a journalist make in years. If the Big XII is going to be successful with this expansion they are going to have to look at it as investing in the program, not a short term cash gain. They need to actually build the relationship, therefore, so they need to be careful about how much they 'financial hazing' they make the new guys go through, else the newbies will be looking to leave as soon as they get there.

One point is.....I am not sure how powerful FED EX sponsoring the title game becomes. It is very important if there are no sponsors available. But, if the title game turns out to have a lot of potential sponsors....all adding FED EX does is drive up the price a little by adding a potential advertiser that is committed to buying the sponsorship. Where FED EX money commands the most power is sponsoring something that normally goes unsold. Then it is "new found" ad dollars that impact the bottom line the most.

Are you missing the point Trotter was quoted upon? The value in the money from FedEx to Memphis offsetting the reduced payout.

(07-30-2016 06:23 PM)3601 Wrote:  Can you really blame anybody for being skeptical after being teased so many times for so long?

Not at all. However there's a difference between being skeptical as a fan, and the public ridicule & mocking that a few people here keep pushing.

(07-31-2016 03:36 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 09:09 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  One point is.....I am not sure how powerful FED EX sponsoring the title game becomes. It is very important if there are no sponsors available. But, if the title game turns out to have a lot of potential sponsors....all adding FED EX does is drive up the price a little by adding a potential advertiser that is committed to buying the sponsorship. Where FED EX money commands the most power is sponsoring something that normally goes unsold. Then it is "new found" ad dollars that impact the bottom line the most.

You're spot on. Firstly, if the BigXII has enough corporate support for it's championship game then it may or may not be interested in the FedEx sponsorship money. I tend to believe with boosters like Red McCombs, T Boone Pickens, and others they will have enough.
Secondly, where you put the money indicates what kind of conference you want to have. If you simply want more cash from your members, then fine, FedEx will certainly help with that. But if you want equal partners, who bring their own strengths to the table along with more in-conference competition, and allow the conference to grow as a whole and not just parts, then you tell FedEx or other corporate sponsors to give that money to the school and/or athletic department to help build it up. The former is a recipe for driving off member - ala Nebraska, Colorado, A&M, and Mizzou - and the latter is a way to ACTUALLY BUILD A SUCCESSFUL CONFERENCE.

FedEx plans to both provide sponsorship and help the UofM.

(08-01-2016 12:30 PM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 03:36 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 09:09 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  One point is.....I am not sure how powerful FED EX sponsoring the title game becomes. It is very important if there are no sponsors available. But, if the title game turns out to have a lot of potential sponsors....all adding FED EX does is drive up the price a little by adding a potential advertiser that is committed to buying the sponsorship. Where FED EX money commands the most power is sponsoring something that normally goes unsold. Then it is "new found" ad dollars that impact the bottom line the most.

You're spot on. Firstly, if the BigXII has enough corporate support for it's championship game then it may or may not be interested in the FedEx sponsorship money. I tend to believe with boosters like Red McCombs, T Boone Pickens, and others they will have enough.
Secondly, where you put the money indicates what kind of conference you want to have. If you simply want more cash from your members, then fine, FedEx will certainly help with that. But if you want equal partners, who bring their own strengths to the table along with more in-conference competition, and allow the conference to grow as a whole and not just parts, then you tell FedEx or other corporate sponsors to give that money to the school and/or athletic department to help build it up. The former is a recipe for driving off member - ala Nebraska, Colorado, A&M, and Mizzou - and the latter is a way to ACTUALLY BUILD A SUCCESSFUL CONFERENCE.

FedEx plans to both provide sponsorship and help the UofM.

I understand that. My only comment relates to the value of FED EX saying they will sponsor the championship game. Normally sales of the TV time is handled by the TV network carrying the game such as ABC or ESPN. They get the ad revenues. So, if FED EX is one of say 30 sponsors advertising within the game, there would not be any great added impact to the Big 12 since all positions in the game could be sold out without FED EX even being in the mix. With FED EX jumping in as a sponsor, they are now really just driving up the price of the spots in the game or games since there are a limited number of spots that can be sold It is the law of supply and demand that then determines the spot rates. FED EX could drive up the spot rate since they are now part of the bidding process if the spots in the game will be sold out. The revenues to the BIG 12 would normally come from the contract they sign with the network similar to the AAC Contract with ESPN that is negotiated at the beginning of the season. I think the way it works is the network negotiates with the BIG 12 for the broadcast rights based on what the networks think they can get from sponsors who buy spots in the games. So the network deal stands between the FED EX money and the BIG 12 itself. The ad or sponsorship money does not flow directly from FED EX to the BIG 12.

I just drove by the new DALLAS COWBOYS World Headquarters about a mile from my house, here in Frisco, TX. It looks more like a small city than a headquarters. They just put up the FORD logo on their new indoor practice facility. Can Memphis do the same for ours? Maybe not since the COWBOYS facility is built with shops, offices and restaurants and an OMNI Hotel around it and you can see the FORD logo from many major highways including the Dallas Tollway.

(07-30-2016 04:27 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:49 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:43 PM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm so ready for a decision

No sheet. This has been going on for over 13 years now. I'm too tired to worry about it anymore. We're totally screwed if we get left out again.

Agreed. And I would hate for someone like Houston to get in over us because of crooked politics when we have much more potential as a complete athletic program than them

Top 5 population area in the US. Larger endowments than us. More money behind them. Better basketball tradition. Do not over look what Houston has going for it.

Houston had a poor fan showing for the USA Basketball exhibition game. LA, LV, Chicago (bang bang) all had great showings.

And they don't draw nearly the tv sets to college football that Memphis does. That is FAR more important that population.

(08-01-2016 10:08 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 12:30 PM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 03:36 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 09:09 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  One point is.....I am not sure how powerful FED EX sponsoring the title game becomes. It is very important if there are no sponsors available. But, if the title game turns out to have a lot of potential sponsors....all adding FED EX does is drive up the price a little by adding a potential advertiser that is committed to buying the sponsorship. Where FED EX money commands the most power is sponsoring something that normally goes unsold. Then it is "new found" ad dollars that impact the bottom line the most.

You're spot on. Firstly, if the BigXII has enough corporate support for it's championship game then it may or may not be interested in the FedEx sponsorship money. I tend to believe with boosters like Red McCombs, T Boone Pickens, and others they will have enough.
Secondly, where you put the money indicates what kind of conference you want to have. If you simply want more cash from your members, then fine, FedEx will certainly help with that. But if you want equal partners, who bring their own strengths to the table along with more in-conference competition, and allow the conference to grow as a whole and not just parts, then you tell FedEx or other corporate sponsors to give that money to the school and/or athletic department to help build it up. The former is a recipe for driving off member - ala Nebraska, Colorado, A&M, and Mizzou - and the latter is a way to ACTUALLY BUILD A SUCCESSFUL CONFERENCE.

FedEx plans to both provide sponsorship and help the UofM.

I understand that. My only comment relates to the value of FED EX saying they will sponsor the championship game. Normally sales of the TV time is handled by the TV network carrying the game such as ABC or ESPN. They get the ad revenues. So, if FED EX is one of say 30 sponsors advertising within the game, there would not be any great added impact to the Big 12 since all positions in the game could be sold out without FED EX even being in the mix. With FED EX jumping in as a sponsor, they are now really just driving up the price of the spots in the game or games since there are a limited number of spots that can be sold It is the law of supply and demand that then determines the spot rates. FED EX could drive up the spot rate since they are now part of the bidding process if the spots in the game will be sold out. The revenues to the BIG 12 would normally come from the contract they sign with the network similar to the AAC Contract with ESPN that is negotiated at the beginning of the season. I think the way it works is the network negotiates with the BIG 12 for the broadcast rights based on what the networks think they can get from sponsors who buy spots in the games. So the network deal stands between the FED EX money and the BIG 12 itself. The ad or sponsorship money does not flow directly from FED EX to the BIG 12.

My theory (which won't even buy ) is that the FedEx $ increases the value of Memphis to the Big 12 by making the Tigers more attractive to the networks...support from another corner. Coupled with Memphis proving they can draw beyond their DMA (last year's ratings), it makes the Tigers attractive to networks from an ad buy perspective.

(07-31-2016 07:52 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 06:23 PM)3601 Wrote:  Can you really blame anybody for being skeptical after being teased so many times for so long?

This

Quitters.

(08-02-2016 03:12 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 04:27 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:49 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:43 PM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm so ready for a decision

No sheet. This has been going on for over 13 years now. I'm too tired to worry about it anymore. We're totally screwed if we get left out again.

Agreed. And I would hate for someone like Houston to get in over us because of crooked politics when we have much more potential as a complete athletic program than them

Top 5 population area in the US. Larger endowments than us. More money behind them. Better basketball tradition. Do not over look what Houston has going for it.

Houston had a poor fan showing for the USA Basketball exhibition game. LA, LV, Chicago (bang bang) all had great showings.

I remember our Bball game at their place a few years ago. I swear there weren't 500 people in that place. Made our crowds last year look like the Beatles in Shea Stadium.