(07-20-2016 08:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the thing everyone needs to take a serious look at when trying to determine the future of the AAC is how will losing certain schools effect the TV deal when it’s up for renewal and moving forward.

I don’t remember the exact details of the deal I just remember Houston, Cincinnati, UConn and Temple were tier 1 schools and if I remember correctly if the AAC loses two of those programs ESPN has the right to cancel the current deal and open up renegotiations. Someone help me out with the details here.

In any event, if that happens I don’t see a cash strapped ESPN who just committed to an ACC network passing on the opportunity to cut some cost from there bottom line. If the contract is opened back up or renegotiated down how attractive would that unknown be to MWC programs looking to join? Based on what happened with the MAC and CUSA contracts would the AAC even end up being that much of a step up financially for them?

that was for nbcsport, there is 0% chance espn lowers the price...if espn used this as leverage theyd most likely try to use this as a way to lock us in at 2 mil long term

and ill make it simple, if we lose more than 1 we arent getting mwc teams,

(07-20-2016 12:06 AM)Noodles Wrote:  USM is going to be a threat to play in a NY6 bowl going forward. Of course, on the field performance is ranked #263 in realignment decisions.

Serious or troll? Either way comical.

(07-20-2016 08:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 08:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the thing everyone needs to take a serious look at when trying to determine the future of the AAC is how will losing certain schools effect the TV deal when it’s up for renewal and moving forward.

I don’t remember the exact details of the deal I just remember Houston, Cincinnati, UConn and Temple were tier 1 schools and if I remember correctly if the AAC loses two of those programs ESPN has the right to cancel the current deal and open up renegotiations. Someone help me out with the details here.

In any event, if that happens I don’t see a cash strapped ESPN who just committed to an ACC network passing on the opportunity to cut some cost from there bottom line. If the contract is opened back up or renegotiated down how attractive would that unknown be to MWC programs looking to join? Based on what happened with the MAC and CUSA contracts would the AAC even end up being that much of a step up financially for them?

that was for nbcsport, there is 0% chance espn lowers the price...if espn used this as leverage theyd most likely try to use this as a way to lock us in at 2 mil long term

and ill make it simple, if we lose more than 1 we arent getting mwc teams,

ESPN had to except the same deal that NBCSports had so the clause is still in there. You'd have to lose 2 with at least one coming from the group listed above to terminate. If two from the rest (group B) and none from group A leave then the contract can be renegotiated. Whether ESPN does I think depends on who and how many leave and who replaces them.

(07-20-2016 08:14 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 08:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the thing everyone needs to take a serious look at when trying to determine the future of the AAC is how will losing certain schools effect the TV deal when it’s up for renewal and moving forward.

I don’t remember the exact details of the deal I just remember Houston, Cincinnati, UConn and Temple were tier 1 schools and if I remember correctly if the AAC loses two of those programs ESPN has the right to cancel the current deal and open up renegotiations. Someone help me out with the details here.

In any event, if that happens I don’t see a cash strapped ESPN who just committed to an ACC network passing on the opportunity to cut some cost from there bottom line. If the contract is opened back up or renegotiated down how attractive would that unknown be to MWC programs looking to join? Based on what happened with the MAC and CUSA contracts would the AAC even end up being that much of a step up financially for them?

Unfortunately we will be in big trouble. No Cusa team will bring anynvalue to this league,they in fact will cause us to loose value. Hopefully we get Army to join and srop yhe bleeding at a 10 member AAC conf.

That actually would be a good move by the AAC. You lose a lot, but if you add Army it would be probably the best choice. They aren't great athletically, but name recognition and academics are better than anyone else. AAC would take a huge hit, but dropping to 10 teams would ease the likely loss in revenue on future TV contracts. Then things basically stay the same.

(07-20-2016 12:07 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 12:06 AM)Noodles Wrote:  USM is going to be a threat to play in a NY6 bowl going forward. Of course, on the field performance is ranked #263 in realignment decisions.

Is going to be a threat? Why?

Dude, don't underestimate Southern Miss. Ever!

If I were the Big 12, I would (in no particular order):

- add Cincinnati (creates a travel partner and neighbor for WVU)
- add UConn (shores up a new region which includes NYC for a possible future Big 12 network and provides another close school for WVU and Cincy)
- add Temple (gives UConn company in the northeast and gives you the massive Philly TV market)
- add BYU *or* Memphis. BYU offers a big football following, but it creates a third time zone issue, though. They could go with Memphis instead if they want to keep everything in two time zones.
- kick Baylor out of the Big 12 and replace them with Houston. Houston is a bigger school, a public school, and resides in a bigger market. That way, the Big 12 gets an upgrade in Texas and in-state competition for recruits stays about the same.

Done.

(07-20-2016 09:34 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  If I were the Big 12, I would (in no particular order):

- add Cincinnati (creates a travel partner and neighbor for WVU)
- add UConn (shores up a new region which includes NYC for a possible future Big 12 network and provides another close school for WVU and Cincy)
- add Temple (gives UConn company in the northeast and gives you the massive Philly TV market)
- add BYU *or* Memphis. BYU offers a big football following, but it creates a third time zone issue, though. They could go with Memphis instead if they want to keep everything in two time zones.
- kick Baylor out of the Big 12 and replace them with Houston. Houston is a bigger school, a public school, and resides in a bigger market. That way, the Big 12 gets an upgrade in Texas and in-state competition for recruits stays about the same.

Done.

I'd do number five FIRST immediately (and have the Coogs join for THIS YEAR), then do the other four steps in the order listed.

(07-20-2016 09:19 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 08:14 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 08:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the thing everyone needs to take a serious look at when trying to determine the future of the AAC is how will losing certain schools effect the TV deal when it’s up for renewal and moving forward.

I don’t remember the exact details of the deal I just remember Houston, Cincinnati, UConn and Temple were tier 1 schools and if I remember correctly if the AAC loses two of those programs ESPN has the right to cancel the current deal and open up renegotiations. Someone help me out with the details here.

In any event, if that happens I don’t see a cash strapped ESPN who just committed to an ACC network passing on the opportunity to cut some cost from there bottom line. If the contract is opened back up or renegotiated down how attractive would that unknown be to MWC programs looking to join? Based on what happened with the MAC and CUSA contracts would the AAC even end up being that much of a step up financially for them?

Unfortunately we will be in big trouble. No Cusa team will bring anynvalue to this league,they in fact will cause us to loose value. Hopefully we get Army to join and srop yhe bleeding at a 10 member AAC conf.

That actually would be a good move by the AAC. You lose a lot, but if you add Army it would be probably the best choice. They aren't great athletically, but name recognition and academics are better than anyone else. AAC would take a huge hit, but dropping to 10 teams would ease the likely loss in revenue on future TV contracts. Then things basically stay the same.

That makes perfect sense, but the issue is from what I understand Army has pretty much has an open invitation to join and hasn’t accepted the invitation. If Army doesn’t see value in joining a full strength AAC I just don’t see them joining after we lose one of our most valuable members.

(07-20-2016 08:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 08:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 08:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the thing everyone needs to take a serious look at when trying to determine the future of the AAC is how will losing certain schools effect the TV deal when it’s up for renewal and moving forward.

I don’t remember the exact details of the deal I just remember Houston, Cincinnati, UConn and Temple were tier 1 schools and if I remember correctly if the AAC loses two of those programs ESPN has the right to cancel the current deal and open up renegotiations. Someone help me out with the details here.

In any event, if that happens I don’t see a cash strapped ESPN who just committed to an ACC network passing on the opportunity to cut some cost from there bottom line. If the contract is opened back up or renegotiated down how attractive would that unknown be to MWC programs looking to join? Based on what happened with the MAC and CUSA contracts would the AAC even end up being that much of a step up financially for them?

that was for nbcsport, there is 0% chance espn lowers the price...if espn used this as leverage theyd most likely try to use this as a way to lock us in at 2 mil long term

and ill make it simple, if we lose more than 1 we arent getting mwc teams,

ESPN had to except the same deal that NBCSports had so the clause is still in there. You'd have to lose 2 with at least one coming from the group listed above to terminate. If two from the rest (group B) and none from group A leave then the contract can be renegotiated. Whether ESPN does I think depends on who and how many leave and who replaces them.

That was my understanding as well, it was part of the NBCSN deal that ESPN accepted.

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(07-20-2016 12:04 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  And NIU basketball is very much on the rise and we have an exceptional group of freshman coming in. We'll be in the mix for the west, just like in football

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Yea those 4 DII teams you played last year were dominated...

(07-20-2016 04:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 12:04 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  And NIU basketball is very much on the rise and we have an exceptional group of freshman coming in. We'll be in the mix for the west, just like in football

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Yea those 4 DII teams you played last year were dominated...

Don't hate cuz your not being mentioned seriously as a backfill candidate...

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(07-20-2016 04:42 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 12:04 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  And NIU basketball is very much on the rise and we have an exceptional group of freshman coming in. We'll be in the mix for the west, just like in football

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Yea those 4 DII teams you played last year were dominated...

Don't hate cuz your not being mentioned seriously as a backfill candidate...

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I did not know the truth was "hate"... As bad as Buffalo has been in football for the past 6 seasons NIU has been even more moribund in hoops.

I suspect NIU is more a front runner than Buffalo but it depends on what the university presidents of the AAC do when it comes to ranking priorities. It could be, if the AAC gets eviscerated that they add just Army and we both stay in the MAC.

Cincy will be one of the two teams I would strongly assume.

After that, I'd guess it is 1-3 of:

- BYU (FB Only)
- Houston
- Memphis
- UCF (FB Only?)

(07-20-2016 04:46 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:42 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 12:04 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  And NIU basketball is very much on the rise and we have an exceptional group of freshman coming in. We'll be in the mix for the west, just like in football

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Yea those 4 DII teams you played last year were dominated...

Don't hate cuz your not being mentioned seriously as a backfill candidate...

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I did not know the truth was "hate"... As bad as Buffalo has been in football for the past 6 seasons NIU has been even more moribund in hoops.

I suspect NIU is more a front runner than Buffalo but it depends on what the university presidents of the AAC do when it comes to ranking priorities. It could be, if the AAC gets eviscerated that they add just Army and we both stay in the MAC.

I'll agree we could both be left high and dry. Hell they could lose just 1 team and backfill with USM... which would frustrate me but nevertheless it could happen

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