(07-13-2016 06:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:56 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  JoePa is not here to defend himself. WE only heard from one side of the story. Even I don't remember much from 1976 and earlier. Remember, you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. JoePa was not on trial, so there is no way he could be found guilty. It is just hearsay and at best fuzzy memories.

I'm pretty sure the victims' memories of their encounters with Sandusky and of their frustrations trying to bring the matter to light aren't "fuzzy." Some things, you never forget.

Oh, and it's not hearsay when the victims themselves testify about their experiences. That's called direct testimony. When multiple victims relate having their legitimate protests met with complete indifference, that's pretty damning.

Finally, what "even" you can remember of events prior to 1976 may be a function of your age. If you weren't born until 1980, then being unable to recall events in 1976 and earlier is understandable. If, on the other hand, you're anywhere near my age, either you should be able to remember things that happened to you in 1976, or you should be in a rest home anxiously waiting for a CNA to change your diaper.

A preponderance of evidence in the Philadelphia proceedings suggests that Paterno and his underlings were made well aware of Sandusky's proclivities and poor conduct over the years, and that, for whatever reason, they simply looked the other way.

It's a damned shame. A cousin of mine was CEO of one of Penn State's branch campuses and was personally acquainted with JoPa. Until her dying day, she believed that he was a man of honor.

I was 7 going on 8 years old that year.

Now, the traumatic event you would keep forever, but telling someone about it could be fuzzy. He may have thought he told JoePa, but he may have told someone else. Plus, why are not any lawyers there on the school side questioned his memory at that time period about who did he actually told it to? You don't want to drag someone in the mud if that person happened to be innocent. It happens at times when people testifying believe that they think it was this way, but on further inspection on their stories? They realized they made a mistake by pointing the finger at the wrong person. We wound up sending the wrong person to prison for rape when DNA proved that they did not do the crime.

You people really think teenagers at Joe Paternos football camp didn't know who Joe Paterno was and could have easily mistaken him for someone else? You and the other guy must be very limber from all the mental gymnastics you are doing.

(07-13-2016 05:40 PM)Psuhockey Wrote:  Yes Penn State is the worst but no fan of big time college athletics should be getting on an ivory pedestal and act like what happen at Penn State couldn't happen at their school. It's naive.

Excellent point. That is exactly why Penn State football must be destroyed. Totally rooted out for a period of at least five years. This must never happen again, and Penn State must set an example. Not by strutting and bragging about their "leadership," not by crowing that other universities are using them as an example, not by proclaiming the "Penn State Way." By showing that vile, disgusting crimes are punished. By showing that football championships and manufactured "records" can never be allowed to come ahead of children's safety.

These crimes were covered up to protect Penn State football. And so Penn State football must die.

(07-13-2016 05:40 PM)Psuhockey Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 12:36 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:41 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:29 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:09 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  That being said don't act like this would never happen at any other big time University or giant corporation, or in politics. This isn't a football issue this is a money and power issue.

As we have hundreds of cases of whistle blowers who did report the bad deeds of their bosses, employers, etc, we can ALL safely say this would not have happened everywhere else. Yes there are some places it could have fostered, but responsible people don't let this **** fly. To try and scapegoat it as everyone does it, makes you as bad or worse as the "mouth breathers" you loathe so much.

This is pretty ******* pathetic, and you should sit in shame and solitude and think before you post again.

Really? Do you have some examples? Here's one for you about money and power being corrupt. Jeffrey Epstein. This is a man who ran an underage sex ring for highest members of the global society and who is a convicted sex offender. 13 months and no investigation into his alleged sexring because it allegedly involved the Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and Alan Dershersitz. But that's the kind of protection you get when you are a connected global financier.

But please don't let me ruin your naivety. The world is a brighter place when you have no idea how it works.

For starters, why do you think Subway has a new pitch man? Why do you think Baylor is in the position it is in now? Why do you think Gerald Ford became president? Why? Because people saw abuses going on and reported it. Just the tip. This is 30 second of thinking. Absolutely ridiculous to make such a post. And accusing others that they would all do the same, as though that absolves them (and yes, that is EXACTLY what you are trying to do with that statement).

I am confused. Doesn't Penn State have a new coach and administration? And how is that both candidates for president have some connection to a convicted child molester and nobody is talking about it.

I am absolving no one. I am just pointing to the reality that money and power corrupts and anywhere there is a lot of it, bad deeds by the money makers are overlooked. All level of bad deeds including lesser ones like buying hookers for recruits or commiting adulterous relationships with 20 something staff members. Yes Penn State is the worst but no fan of big time college athletics should be getting on an ivory pedestal and act like what happen at Penn State couldn't happen at their school. It's naive.

Yes, they went out and hired a coach embroiled in his own rape scandal. And then they hired a university president, with pre-existing university ties, that presided over another rape scandal. What other institution would ever get near to any such individuals with even the faintest whiff of such impropriety or association, especially coming off of the worst sexual abuse scandal in the history of sports? Trustees were elected to the PSU board, by overwhelming majority of alumni voters, by running on a platform of repealing "unjust" sanctions and restoring Paterno's legacy. That's how little things have changed there and that is how unbelievably tone-deaf the university, fans, and alumni are. And make no mistake, this is the vast majority of them, as anyone familiar with Central Pennsylvania can attest.

The insular, incestuous nature of the university (and there are plenty of 3rd party articles out there documenting both of those descriptors) combined with the platform of moral superiority wrapped around the cult-of-personality hero worship created a unique situation that absolutely would not happen at most other places. Hell, even SMU cancelled an additional season in addition to the formal year of their death penalty. PSU insisted on marching on as normal as possible and as protective of the football program at all costs: from playing out the season and bowl, refusing to clean house in the athletic department most unbelievably exemplified by retaining long-time Paterno assistants that just happened to be his best recruiters, publicizing donations to abuse charities which were largely funneled to its own medical school, glorifying (with substantial and not so subtle undertones of defiance) the 2012 team to the point they added them to list of undefeated & championship teams on Beaver Stadium's wall, to the before mentioned hires. And this isn't to mention the behavior of legions of fans with their defiant "409" stickers. And yes, you can still get a heaping scoopful of Peachy Paterno from their campus creamery.

What most don't know, but was fairly well known in local athletic circles prior to the scandal...I'm talking about the 1980s and 90s, is how corrupt the program was while championing their "Grand Experiment" and plastering "Success with Honor" slogans everywhere. I'm talking things like grade fixation, paying players, covering up player indiscretions. If a player ran afoul of the law, the campus or local police would drive them straight to Paterno's house. You never heard of any of this, because if any press wrote something negative, their press credentials would be pulled (and thus careers ruined, at least locally). This Pravda-like control of the media only started to break down with the advent of internet reporting. But stories like Vicky Triponi's were not isolated incidents. People were fired for refusing to complete players' classwork assignments or not changing grades. And if you ran afoul of Paterno, your career was over. Even his own football players weren't spared his wrath. Will you ever hear of most of these stories in major press? Probably not ...but there are many buried "bodies".

The culture of the institution is sick and perverse, still completely subservient to football, and not a single underlying cause endemic to why decades of child rape were allowed to be covered up has changed.

Bernstein nailed it pretty good today.

(07-13-2016 06:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 06:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:56 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  JoePa is not here to defend himself. WE only heard from one side of the story. Even I don't remember much from 1976 and earlier. Remember, you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. JoePa was not on trial, so there is no way he could be found guilty. It is just hearsay and at best fuzzy memories.

I'm pretty sure the victims' memories of their encounters with Sandusky and of their frustrations trying to bring the matter to light aren't "fuzzy." Some things, you never forget.

Oh, and it's not hearsay when the victims themselves testify about their experiences. That's called direct testimony. When multiple victims relate having their legitimate protests met with complete indifference, that's pretty damning.

Finally, what "even" you can remember of events prior to 1976 may be a function of your age. If you weren't born until 1980, then being unable to recall events in 1976 and earlier is understandable. If, on the other hand, you're anywhere near my age, either you should be able to remember things that happened to you in 1976, or you should be in a rest home anxiously waiting for a CNA to change your diaper.

A preponderance of evidence in the Philadelphia proceedings suggests that Paterno and his underlings were made well aware of Sandusky's proclivities and poor conduct over the years, and that, for whatever reason, they simply looked the other way.

It's a damned shame. A cousin of mine was CEO of one of Penn State's branch campuses and was personally acquainted with JoPa. Until her dying day, she believed that he was a man of honor.

I was 7 going on 8 years old that year.

Now, the traumatic event you would keep forever, but telling someone about it could be fuzzy. He may have thought he told JoePa, but he may have told someone else. Plus, why are not any lawyers there on the school side questioned his memory at that time period about who did he actually told it to? You don't want to drag someone in the mud if that person happened to be innocent. It happens at times when people testifying believe that they think it was this way, but on further inspection on their stories? They realized they made a mistake by pointing the finger at the wrong person. We wound up sending the wrong person to prison for rape when DNA proved that they did not do the crime.

You people really think teenagers at Joe Paternos football camp didn't know who Joe Paterno was and could have easily mistaken him for someone else? You and the other guy must be very limber from all the mental gymnastics you are doing.

So a 7 or 8 year old wouldn't be intimidated about going up to the head coach with this? I don't know if you just hate PSU so much or hate what Sandusky did so much or something else. You are attacking people who don't totally agree with you as if they were child abusers. Its really absurd, rude, close-minded behavior.

SMU cancelled their other seasons for financial reasons. They were limited to a conference schedule.

I did think hiring Franklin was pretty tone deaf. Note that it wasn't that insurgent board that did it. It was the existing board that tried to blame everything on Joe Paterno to detract from their own failures. Almost all of them stayed on (although I don't know if it has changed in the last couple of years).

(07-13-2016 08:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  SMU cancelled their other seasons for financial reasons. They were limited to a conference schedule.

I did think hiring Franklin was pretty tone deaf. Note that it wasn't that insurgent board that did it. It was the existing board that tried to blame everything on Joe Paterno to detract from their own failures. Almost all of them stayed on (although I don't know if it has changed in the last couple of years).

Point taken on SMU. Nonetheless, there is still a startling contrast in how the scandals were handled institutionally, including self proposed penalties.

Make no mistake, until later 2000s, Paterno absolutely ran that university. He deserved a lion's share of the blame. But many were culpable.

Well thank goodness ... there's finally hard evidence.

Oh ... it was just one guy who said that some stuff supposedly happened.


Yeah, whatever. Here's the main points: if Paterno were alive today, fine ... go ahead and charge him with a crime. Take him to court. Have a grand ole time.

- Why do current Penn St players, who had nothing to do with any of the horrible business, have to suffer??
- Why do current Penn St students, educators, researchers, admin, staff, who had nothing to do with any of the horrible business, have to suffer??


Piss off with your lynch mob and flaming torches. Go spit on Paterno's grave, if it makes you feel better. Leave the school alone.

I don't think many have a lynch mob opinion. It is obvious the school and many players and fans still have a blind spot to what happened at Penn state. The School, all people who were involved should pay a very heavy price for the pain and suffering they put on the innocent kids who Sandusky raped and or molested.
This school should have it's reputation and standing destroyed forever. If you went to penetration state, you should be proud of yourself and your degree, but should be ashamed of the school and what the leadership allowed to happen.

Sandusky, and perhaps Paterno, committed crimes, of their own volition.

That has not a single iota to do with anyone else associated with Penn St. It reflects poorly not a single iota, on anyone else associated with Penn St.

Still there is no evidence that JoePa or others knew or saw anything. Lawyers are sleazy, and would milk a lot of money, and coached victims into what to say to win. It happened before, so would not surprise me if it happened here either.

(07-14-2016 07:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sandusky, and perhaps Paterno, committed crimes, of their own volition.

That has not a single iota to do with anyone else associated with Penn St. It reflects poorly not a single iota, on anyone else associated with Penn St.

With regard to the crimes? Everyone, of course not. But, can't say anyone else not a single iota. Were all these well educated, influential 'associates' all and still f*cking blind?
But most of this has to do with nearly all of them professing Joe was deity up peoples asses daily, at every turn, for multiple decades.
These 'associates' are getting what they deserve.
You're either a psu fan or ignorant about it.

(07-14-2016 08:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Still there is no evidence that JoePa or others knew or saw anything. Lawyers are sleazy, and would milk a lot of money, and coached victims into what to say to win. It happened before, so would not surprise me if it happened here either.

I have been a lawyer for almost thirty years. I am not sleazy. I take legal ethics and professionalism very, very seriously.

I know a lot of other lawyers, David, many of whom are honorable and hard working people.

I do civil defense litigation, so I have handled hundreds of lawsuits over the past three decades.

There are a few sleazy lawyers, but not nearly the amount you seem to think.

Sometimes, David, just sometimes, it is ok to believe people when they say someone raped them or impeded the discovery of, or hid, aided and abetted the rape.

You, and several others, seem to minimize sexual assault claims or want to quickly side with the alleged rapist.

Sure, there are some illegitimate claims. There are also many, many victims who fear to report the crimes committed against them or are coerced into keeping their mouths shut.

My viewpoint until I die is that Joe ran that place, that he knew about Sandusky way, way back to the Seventies and that he turned a blind eye and hid Sandusky's crimes to keep his facade of "The Grand Experiment" alive in the public eye.

Penn State folks used to brag about the power and influence Paterno had at Penn State.

After Sandusky was outed as a child rapist in the public eye, those same people then want others to believe that Paterno was a low man in the Penn State hierarchy.

He was just an old man who didn't understand sexual issues and was powerless to do much, if anything, regarding Sandusky using Penn State's facilities to rape children.

bull****.

(07-13-2016 07:51 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  What most don't know, but was fairly well known in local athletic circles prior to the scandal...I'm talking about the 1980s and 90s, is how corrupt the program was while championing their "Grand Experiment" and plastering "Success with Honor" slogans everywhere. I'm talking things like grade fixation, paying players, covering up player indiscretions. If a player ran afoul of the law, the campus or local police would drive them straight to Paterno's house. You never heard of any of this, because if any press wrote something negative, their press credentials would be pulled (and thus careers ruined, at least locally). This Pravda-like control of the media only started to break down with the advent of internet reporting. But stories like Vicky Triponi's were not isolated incidents. People were fired for refusing to complete players' classwork assignments or not changing grades. And if you ran afoul of Paterno, your career was over. Even his own football players weren't spared his wrath. Will you ever hear of most of these stories in major press? Probably not ...but there are many buried "bodies".

The culture of the institution is sick and perverse, still completely subservient to football, and not a single underlying cause endemic to why decades of child rape were allowed to be covered up has changed.

Bernstein nailed it pretty good today.

You forgot to add a mic drop at the end

(07-14-2016 09:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 08:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Still there is no evidence that JoePa or others knew or saw anything. Lawyers are sleazy, and would milk a lot of money, and coached victims into what to say to win. It happened before, so would not surprise me if it happened here either.

I have been a lawyer for almost thirty years. I am not sleazy. I take legal ethics and professionalism very, very seriously.

I know a lot of other lawyers, David, many of whom are honorable and hard working people.

I do civil defense litigation, so I have handled hundreds of lawsuits over the past three decades.

There are a few sleazy lawyers, but not nearly the amount you seem to think.

Sometimes, David, just sometimes, it is ok to believe people when they say someone raped them or impeded the discovery of, or hid, aided and abetted the rape.

You, and several others, seem to minimize sexual assault claims or want to quickly side with the alleged rapist.

Sure, there are some illegitimate claims. There are also many, many victims who fear to report the crimes committed against them or are coerced into keeping their mouths shut.

My viewpoint until I die is that Joe ran that place, that he knew about Sandusky way, way back to the Seventies and that he turned a blind eye and hid Sandusky's crimes to keep his facade of "The Grand Experiment" alive in the public eye.

Penn State folks used to brag about the power and influence Paterno had at Penn State.

After Sandusky was outed as a child rapist in the public eye, those same people then want others to believe that Paterno was a low man in the Penn State hierarchy.

He was just an old man who didn't understand sexual issues and was powerless to do much, if anything, regarding Sandusky using Penn State's facilities to rape children.

bull****.

I do not side with piece of poo like Sandusky. All I am saying is that 2 guys can not fend for themselves because they are dead. As for the other coaches? They denied they saw or heard anything.

(07-13-2016 08:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 06:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 06:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:56 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  JoePa is not here to defend himself. WE only heard from one side of the story. Even I don't remember much from 1976 and earlier. Remember, you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. JoePa was not on trial, so there is no way he could be found guilty. It is just hearsay and at best fuzzy memories.

I'm pretty sure the victims' memories of their encounters with Sandusky and of their frustrations trying to bring the matter to light aren't "fuzzy." Some things, you never forget.

Oh, and it's not hearsay when the victims themselves testify about their experiences. That's called direct testimony. When multiple victims relate having their legitimate protests met with complete indifference, that's pretty damning.

Finally, what "even" you can remember of events prior to 1976 may be a function of your age. If you weren't born until 1980, then being unable to recall events in 1976 and earlier is understandable. If, on the other hand, you're anywhere near my age, either you should be able to remember things that happened to you in 1976, or you should be in a rest home anxiously waiting for a CNA to change your diaper.

A preponderance of evidence in the Philadelphia proceedings suggests that Paterno and his underlings were made well aware of Sandusky's proclivities and poor conduct over the years, and that, for whatever reason, they simply looked the other way.

It's a damned shame. A cousin of mine was CEO of one of Penn State's branch campuses and was personally acquainted with JoPa. Until her dying day, she believed that he was a man of honor.

I was 7 going on 8 years old that year.

Now, the traumatic event you would keep forever, but telling someone about it could be fuzzy. He may have thought he told JoePa, but he may have told someone else. Plus, why are not any lawyers there on the school side questioned his memory at that time period about who did he actually told it to? You don't want to drag someone in the mud if that person happened to be innocent. It happens at times when people testifying believe that they think it was this way, but on further inspection on their stories? They realized they made a mistake by pointing the finger at the wrong person. We wound up sending the wrong person to prison for rape when DNA proved that they did not do the crime.

You people really think teenagers at Joe Paternos football camp didn't know who Joe Paterno was and could have easily mistaken him for someone else? You and the other guy must be very limber from all the mental gymnastics you are doing.

So a 7 or 8 year old wouldn't be intimidated about going up to the head coach with this? I don't know if you just hate PSU so much or hate what Sandusky did so much or something else. You are attacking people who don't totally agree with you as if they were child abusers. Its really absurd, rude, close-minded behavior.

He was 14 or 15 guy, at least get your basic facts straight on what you are talking about. I wont apologize for being rude to the ignorant.

(07-14-2016 10:40 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 08:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Still there is no evidence that JoePa or others knew or saw anything. Lawyers are sleazy, and would milk a lot of money, and coached victims into what to say to win. It happened before, so would not surprise me if it happened here either.

I have been a lawyer for almost thirty years. I am not sleazy. I take legal ethics and professionalism very, very seriously.

I know a lot of other lawyers, David, many of whom are honorable and hard working people.

I do civil defense litigation, so I have handled hundreds of lawsuits over the past three decades.

There are a few sleazy lawyers, but not nearly the amount you seem to think.

Sometimes, David, just sometimes, it is ok to believe people when they say someone raped them or impeded the discovery of, or hid, aided and abetted the rape.

You, and several others, seem to minimize sexual assault claims or want to quickly side with the alleged rapist.

Sure, there are some illegitimate claims. There are also many, many victims who fear to report the crimes committed against them or are coerced into keeping their mouths shut.

My viewpoint until I die is that Joe ran that place, that he knew about Sandusky way, way back to the Seventies and that he turned a blind eye and hid Sandusky's crimes to keep his facade of "The Grand Experiment" alive in the public eye.

Penn State folks used to brag about the power and influence Paterno had at Penn State.

After Sandusky was outed as a child rapist in the public eye, those same people then want others to believe that Paterno was a low man in the Penn State hierarchy.

He was just an old man who didn't understand sexual issues and was powerless to do much, if anything, regarding Sandusky using Penn State's facilities to rape children.

bull****.

I do not side with piece of poo like Sandusky. All I am saying is that 2 guys can not fend for themselves because they are dead. As for the other coaches? They denied they saw or heard anything.

Ted Bundy used to deny being a serial killer.

(07-14-2016 10:40 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 08:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Still there is no evidence that JoePa or others knew or saw anything. Lawyers are sleazy, and would milk a lot of money, and coached victims into what to say to win. It happened before, so would not surprise me if it happened here either.

I have been a lawyer for almost thirty years. I am not sleazy. I take legal ethics and professionalism very, very seriously.

I know a lot of other lawyers, David, many of whom are honorable and hard working people.

I do civil defense litigation, so I have handled hundreds of lawsuits over the past three decades.

There are a few sleazy lawyers, but not nearly the amount you seem to think.

Sometimes, David, just sometimes, it is ok to believe people when they say someone raped them or impeded the discovery of, or hid, aided and abetted the rape.

You, and several others, seem to minimize sexual assault claims or want to quickly side with the alleged rapist.

Sure, there are some illegitimate claims. There are also many, many victims who fear to report the crimes committed against them or are coerced into keeping their mouths shut.

My viewpoint until I die is that Joe ran that place, that he knew about Sandusky way, way back to the Seventies and that he turned a blind eye and hid Sandusky's crimes to keep his facade of "The Grand Experiment" alive in the public eye.

Penn State folks used to brag about the power and influence Paterno had at Penn State.

After Sandusky was outed as a child rapist in the public eye, those same people then want others to believe that Paterno was a low man in the Penn State hierarchy.

He was just an old man who didn't understand sexual issues and was powerless to do much, if anything, regarding Sandusky using Penn State's facilities to rape children.

bull****.

I do not side with piece of poo like Sandusky. All I am saying is that 2 guys can not fend for themselves because they are dead. As for the other coaches? They denied they saw or heard anything.

You said the victim was coached into saying what he said!!! How low down can a person be to suggest victims are lying when the guy is rotting in jail for the rest of his life? Oh and McQuery said other coaches shared similar stories of walking in on Sandusky. Is McQuery lying as well? Is everyone lying about this and it's all one big made up story to you?

(07-14-2016 10:44 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 10:40 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 08:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Still there is no evidence that JoePa or others knew or saw anything. Lawyers are sleazy, and would milk a lot of money, and coached victims into what to say to win. It happened before, so would not surprise me if it happened here either.

I have been a lawyer for almost thirty years. I am not sleazy. I take legal ethics and professionalism very, very seriously.

I know a lot of other lawyers, David, many of whom are honorable and hard working people.

I do civil defense litigation, so I have handled hundreds of lawsuits over the past three decades.

There are a few sleazy lawyers, but not nearly the amount you seem to think.

Sometimes, David, just sometimes, it is ok to believe people when they say someone raped them or impeded the discovery of, or hid, aided and abetted the rape.

You, and several others, seem to minimize sexual assault claims or want to quickly side with the alleged rapist.

Sure, there are some illegitimate claims. There are also many, many victims who fear to report the crimes committed against them or are coerced into keeping their mouths shut.

My viewpoint until I die is that Joe ran that place, that he knew about Sandusky way, way back to the Seventies and that he turned a blind eye and hid Sandusky's crimes to keep his facade of "The Grand Experiment" alive in the public eye.

Penn State folks used to brag about the power and influence Paterno had at Penn State.

After Sandusky was outed as a child rapist in the public eye, those same people then want others to believe that Paterno was a low man in the Penn State hierarchy.

He was just an old man who didn't understand sexual issues and was powerless to do much, if anything, regarding Sandusky using Penn State's facilities to rape children.

bull****.

I do not side with piece of poo like Sandusky. All I am saying is that 2 guys can not fend for themselves because they are dead. As for the other coaches? They denied they saw or heard anything.

Ted Bundy used to deny being a serial killer.

Paterno's own words "I could have done more". Clearly he was at least aware of a situation, but instead chose to just pass the buck. Not such a moral compass for a guy who claimed to do things the right way, when he does the absolute bare minimum as required by policy.

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't failure to report child sexual abuse a punishable crime itself?
(Admittedly, I have no idea what year that law was enacted or how far back it applies)

(07-14-2016 10:40 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 08:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Still there is no evidence that JoePa or others knew or saw anything. Lawyers are sleazy, and would milk a lot of money, and coached victims into what to say to win. It happened before, so would not surprise me if it happened here either.

I have been a lawyer for almost thirty years. I am not sleazy. I take legal ethics and professionalism very, very seriously.

I know a lot of other lawyers, David, many of whom are honorable and hard working people.

I do civil defense litigation, so I have handled hundreds of lawsuits over the past three decades.

There are a few sleazy lawyers, but not nearly the amount you seem to think.

Sometimes, David, just sometimes, it is ok to believe people when they say someone raped them or impeded the discovery of, or hid, aided and abetted the rape.

You, and several others, seem to minimize sexual assault claims or want to quickly side with the alleged rapist.

Sure, there are some illegitimate claims. There are also many, many victims who fear to report the crimes committed against them or are coerced into keeping their mouths shut.

My viewpoint until I die is that Joe ran that place, that he knew about Sandusky way, way back to the Seventies and that he turned a blind eye and hid Sandusky's crimes to keep his facade of "The Grand Experiment" alive in the public eye.

Penn State folks used to brag about the power and influence Paterno had at Penn State.

After Sandusky was outed as a child rapist in the public eye, those same people then want others to believe that Paterno was a low man in the Penn State hierarchy.

He was just an old man who didn't understand sexual issues and was powerless to do much, if anything, regarding Sandusky using Penn State's facilities to rape children.

bull****.

I do not side with piece of poo like Sandusky. All I am saying is that 2 guys can not fend for themselves because they are dead. As for the other coaches? They denied they saw or heard anything.

Get real. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Tamerlane, and Attila the Hun are all dead. Should we cut them some slack because they're unable to defend themselves?