(07-12-2016 01:41 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:15 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Penn St should be shut down for good. Disgusting.

As someone who lives 20 minutes from Penn State, that action would devastate a region that heavily relies upon the university since the iron and coal industries have wasted away. Thousands of innocent people would lose their livelihood. Including my parents.

and that in a nutshell is why this was swept under the rug 40 years ago and why to this day NOTHING significant will be done about it.

A major university will never be shut down over stuff like this. Heck, Baylor broke many laws and are getting away with it.

There is a reason why schools don't want coaches or faculty doubling up as administrators anymore if serving concurrent roles. It's amateurish and very small-school. It's also a huge liability.

Back in the day, though, even at a behemoth of an institution like Penn State, it was fine that Joe was doubling as coach and AD. It shows how, institutionally, administration and organization was flawed. Even if athletics weren't of the scale they would be a decade later when this happened, let alone nearly four of them later, there was a clear conflict of interest with the role. The two simply can't be performed concurrently.

And it shows that both Paterno and Tarman (the #2 athletic guy at PSU back then) really had no clue what they were doing in those roles.

(07-12-2016 10:29 AM)TerryD Wrote:  An insurance expert said that Penn State had six opportunities to report it to them and failed to do so:

http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.s...ncart_push

Good thing we let them out of their sanctions early.

Good thing we didn't impose a TV banishment so that the networks could capitalize $$$ on that freak show.

(07-12-2016 11:40 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Burn in hell Paterno.

John Doe 150? Let that sink in.

What a complete scumbag Paterno was.

(07-12-2016 10:11 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Just as the lettermen want to erect the statue again.


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(07-12-2016 04:11 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 01:41 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:15 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Penn St should be shut down for good. Disgusting.

As someone who lives 20 minutes from Penn State, that action would devastate a region that heavily relies upon the university since the iron and coal industries have wasted away. Thousands of innocent people would lose their livelihood. Including my parents.

and that in a nutshell is why this was swept under the rug 40 years ago and why to this day NOTHING significant will be done about it.

The football program is not the university, not even at Penn State (despite Joe Pa's best attempts).

Shutting down the football program for five years would not devastate the area.

I grew up in Pa., four hours away from "Happy Valley". I understand the economic issues.

Shutting down the entire university because the head football coach was a total ******* would be overkill.

And no, the NCAA will not even shut down the program. That might be the only thing that cures the disease, though.

Shutting down universities isn't necessary but shutting down sports could help them get their priorities in order.

Which ACC team would the B1G take to replace PSU?

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Which ACC team would the B1G take to replace PSU?

They'd take two or three and try to fix their previous mistakes...

(07-12-2016 05:59 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 11:40 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Burn in hell Paterno.

John Doe 150? Let that sink in.

What a complete scumbag Paterno was.

Fixed.

(07-12-2016 10:36 AM)NittanyLion Wrote:  THIS topic again. No doubt this thread will break new ground.
when two sides will again be hellbent on winning an unwinnable debate - and making it all about Penn State, Paterno and football.

The debate is over, Penn State, and Paterno were slime balls here, and innocent children paid the price. If Penn State replaces statue, the should be shunned.

(07-13-2016 07:07 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:36 AM)NittanyLion Wrote:  THIS topic again. No doubt this thread will break new ground.
when two sides will again be hellbent on winning an unwinnable debate - and making it all about Penn State, Paterno and football.

The debate is over ...

Since 2011, there has been no "debate" per se, in the sense of an issue that has two plausible points of view with lots of advocates for each. The only people defending Paterno and PSU were the most die-hard PSU radical fanaticals, and those folks will never be swayed by anything.

(07-12-2016 09:11 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Shutting down universities isn't necessary but shutting down sports could help them get their priorities in order.

Stop. It's ironic on a realignment board that someone is preening about priorities when every other topic here is about money.

What happened at the University is beyond disgusting and everyone associated with in deserved to stand trial. Unfortunately Paterno died before he could but his reputation is ruined forever and if you know anything about the man, that was a bigger punishment then jail time. The mouth breathers on Penn State forums that still defend him are a disgrace and embarrassment to any alumni with a brain.

That being said don't act like this would never happen at any other big time University or giant corporation, or in politics. This isn't a football issue this is a money and power issue. Penn State football brought in a ton a money to the town, the county, and the state. Jerry Sandusky's charity gave a lot of money to politicians. The cash cow wasn't to be disrupted and those with power over it, acted with impunity to the detriment of children. There were rumors of Sanduskys behavior in the upper echelons of that community and nobody did a thing. But don't kid yourself to think that the same thing wouldn't happen at Alabama. Nick Sabban could kill 7 hookers and Alabama football would keep chugging along with mouth breathers defending him too.

Money and power, that's what this is about. And unfortunately college football is the main economic engine in a lot of these towns and those that run it, run it with complete power. Just look at what happened at Baylor and they don't even bring in the kind of revenue the top schools do.

(07-13-2016 08:09 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  That being said don't act like this would never happen at any other big time University or giant corporation, or in politics. This isn't a football issue this is a money and power issue.

As we have hundreds of cases of whistle blowers who did report the bad deeds of their bosses, employers, etc, we can ALL safely say this would not have happened everywhere else. Yes there are some places it could have fostered, but responsible people don't let this **** fly. To try and scapegoat it as everyone does it, makes you as bad or worse as the "mouth breathers" you loathe so much.

This is pretty ******* pathetic, and you should sit in shame and solitude and think before you post again.

(07-13-2016 08:29 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:09 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  That being said don't act like this would never happen at any other big time University or giant corporation, or in politics. This isn't a football issue this is a money and power issue.

As we have hundreds of cases of whistle blowers who did report the bad deeds of their bosses, employers, etc, we can ALL safely say this would not have happened everywhere else. Yes there are some places it could have fostered, but responsible people don't let this **** fly. To try and scapegoat it as everyone does it, makes you as bad or worse as the "mouth breathers" you loathe so much.

This is pretty ******* pathetic, and you should sit in shame and solitude and think before you post again.

Really? Do you have some examples? Here's one for you about money and power being corrupt. Jeffrey Epstein. This is a man who ran an underage sex ring for highest members of the global society and who is a convicted sex offender. 13 months and no investigation into his alleged sexring because it allegedly involved the Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and Alan Dershersitz. But that's the kind of protection you get when you are a connected global financier.

But please don't let me ruin your naivety. The world is a brighter place when you have no idea how it works.

JoePa is not here to defend himself. WE only heard from one side of the story. Even I don't remember much from 1976 and earlier. Remember, you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. JoePa was not on trial, so there is no way he could be found guilty. It is just hearsay and at best fuzzy memories.

(07-12-2016 10:15 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Penn St should be shut down for good. Disgusting.

It seems that a lot of high-up in Penn State know about it but decided football is more important, so they covered it up. NCAA did not punish Penn State hard enough so most schools will still see football is the most important in the institution.

Ah yes, the "Appeal to Common Practice" fallacy: it's okay because it happens everywhere.

There's a sickness at Penn State that goes well beyond the "mouth breathers." You don't get to strut and brag and call yourself "a leader" after children were anally raped at your institution. You show contrition and pledge improvement. A corporate culture that leads to statements like this one is simply vile:

http://timesleader.com/archive/65310/sto...fety224904

Penn State President Rodney Erickson says actions taken by the university in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse case will make Penn State a leader in dealing with campus crime.

Erickson says the school is adopting aggressive new safety and reporting policies and when the process is complete, Penn State will be a model university. He says other colleges are calling Penn State seeking advice.

(07-13-2016 09:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  JoePa is not here to defend himself. WE only heard from one side of the story. Even I don't remember much from 1976 and earlier. Remember, you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. JoePa was not on trial, so there is no way he could be found guilty. It is just hearsay and at best fuzzy memories.

I'm pretty sure the victims' memories of their encounters with Sandusky and of their frustrations trying to bring the matter to light aren't "fuzzy." Some things, you never forget.

Oh, and it's not hearsay when the victims themselves testify about their experiences. That's called direct testimony. When multiple victims relate having their legitimate protests met with complete indifference, that's pretty damning.

Finally, what "even" you can remember of events prior to 1976 may be a function of your age. If you weren't born until 1980, then being unable to recall events in 1976 and earlier is understandable. If, on the other hand, you're anywhere near my age, either you should be able to remember things that happened to you in 1976, or you should be in a rest home anxiously waiting for a CNA to change your diaper.

A preponderance of evidence in the Philadelphia proceedings suggests that Paterno and his underlings were made well aware of Sandusky's proclivities and poor conduct over the years, and that, for whatever reason, they simply looked the other way.

It's a damned shame. A cousin of mine was CEO of one of Penn State's branch campuses and was personally acquainted with JoPa. Until her dying day, she believed that he was a man of honor.