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(07-04-2016 12:25 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Not sure why Chuck Landon always reports something negative about Marshal. I am not saying he shouldn't reveal problems but all i ever hear from him was negative stuff. Anyways here is an outlook for ODU on its finances from one of the guys that cover ODU Basketball and other stuff.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

ODU finances 'very good' despite declining Conference USA television revenue

“When we joined Conference USA (in 2013), they did a five-year pro forma,” ODU athletic director Wood Selig said, “and we thought the maximum we would get would be about $1.75 million. We’ve far exceeded what we were led to believe our annual distributions might be. The ol’ under-promise, over-deliver.

Adding to Selig’s confidence in ODU’s financial position: $13 million in reserves and a $28 million endowment, the latter of which he said far exceeds C-USA colleagues such as Charlotte, Marshall, Southern Mississippi, Western Kentucky and Florida Atlantic. A 5 percent annual return on its endowment would net ODU $1.4 million. We generated $8.3 million last year privately - donations” and the Monarchs have raised more than $8 million for a basketball practice complex.

Total 2016-17, C-USA’s projected average per-school distribution will be about $1.5 million. for ODU the 2016-17 hit is really only $250,000,” Selig said...

Wood Selig said “We’re in very good financial shape.”

(07-04-2016 12:25 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Not sure why Chuck Landon always reports something negative about Marshal. I am not saying he shouldn't reveal problems but all i ever hear from him was negative stuff. Anyways here is an outlook for ODU on its finances from one of the guys that cover ODU Basketball and other stuff.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

He has a beef with MU's athletic department since he has been locked out of being an insider like he was once allowed to be. His own fault, writing crap, similar to this and pissing off the MU brass.

(07-04-2016 11:59 AM)moehler Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 11:23 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 09:45 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 09:21 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Like us, P5 schools play 12 regular season games and play 4 home and 4 away conference games. Unlike us, of the 4 out of conference games, they typically play 3 home and only 1 away. In other words, they play 7 home games and 5 away games each year. That's not going to change. With their huge stadiums, they make a killing off that additional home game per year because they fill it. Heck, Kentucky had 8 home games last year and zero road games OOC. I'd wager there were others.

Although there are a small handful of P5's that will play G5 teams on the road, there's not enough of them willing to play all of us on the road to go around.

It's a balancing act. Get the money game each year and almost always lose it or play a weak schedule and have a chance at a fluffy record which might increase your attendance numbers and/or increase your chances at getting Bowl eligible.

A lot of factors go into it, don't think its that simple. If you are a G5, the uphill battle has always been there, but there are other factors that get looked at when these so called P5 schools consider playing away games at G5's. #1 recruiting, is it an area they recruit? #2 branding, does the program have branding to warrant it #3 stadium size, peps can say what they want, but the bigger and nicer their stadium, the more you gonna get those home games vs p5.

Of course not all P5's are created equal same as not all G5's are equal, so those wake forest, Indiana, purdue schools know they are going to have a much harder time strong arming a ECU, Marshall, Boise, USM etc.

Very true. UTEP would never be able to pull off 1 and 1 with Texas or Oklahoma. Those are 2 for 1 deals. But Arizona and Texas Tech are doing 1 for 1 deals with UTEP. Close geography helps since they don't have to spend a fortune to get to El Paso either.

to me, the size of the stadium plays a bigger role in getting P5 schools to give you a home game than most people realize. Apps done okay so far, but Miami was a fluke situation that just fell into our laps, and Wake wanted to start back up the rivalry with us. But the rumor is, we have heard from a lot of schools who will not make the trip up the mountain until will increase our seating capacity, if we cant take care of their fan base, then don't bother calling us.

Yes it does, especially for schools not in desirable locations or recruiting hotbeds, gets hard for (fill in the blank) school to justify doing a 1 for 1 if they are on the losing end financially. IMO, a G5 needs 30K seater or maybe even 35K and bigger seater to not have it thrown in their face that they aren't big enough for opposing teams fan crowd. WVU used it against MU for years until they had to share a conference with UL and Cincy, cincy was (not sure if it is now or not) smaller than MU and UL was just a little bigger, not much. They lost that argument after all that. Of course if a school doesn't want to play fair they just plain aren't going to, if its not one excuse it will be another one.

I don't foresee MU playing WVU anytime soon. There is no reason to give into their demands when we get equal branded schools for one and one's already. That goes for any school that wants to give the high and mighty routine, simply don't play them unless its Alabama, Florida etc. then maybe take the money game from time to time.

(07-04-2016 02:13 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 12:25 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Not sure why Chuck Landon always reports something negative about Marshal. I am not saying he shouldn't reveal problems but all i ever hear from him was negative stuff. Anyways here is an outlook for ODU on its finances from one of the guys that cover ODU Basketball and other stuff.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

He has a beef with MU's athletic department since he has been locked out of being an insider like he was once allowed to be. His own fault, writing crap, similar to this and pissing off the MU brass.

Thanks that makes it clear. May be he is trying to lash back which will only further him from the fan base.

(07-04-2016 12:25 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Not sure why Chuck Landon always reports something negative about Marshal. I am not saying he shouldn't reveal problems but all i ever hear from him was negative stuff. Anyways here is an outlook for ODU on its finances from one of the guys that cover ODU Basketball and other stuff.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

part of what defines being a Marshall fan is their shared feeling of being aggrieved and/or disrespected. Chuck is just playing to his audience.

(07-04-2016 08:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 12:25 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Not sure why Chuck Landon always reports something negative about Marshal. I am not saying he shouldn't reveal problems but all i ever hear from him was negative stuff. Anyways here is an outlook for ODU on its finances from one of the guys that cover ODU Basketball and other stuff.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

part of what defines being a Marshall fan is their shared feeling of being aggrieved and/or disrespected. Chuck is just playing to his audience.

And part of what defines being an Ohio fan is having at least 3 Ohio State University sweatshirts in your closet.

Speaking of Ohio State, I believe they have only played 10 non-conference road games since the turn of the century.

I don't have an issue with Marshall playing a money game every other year so long as we can still have a minimum of 6 home games and the money game is within a drivable distance. I would rather do a road game to Kentucky for $900,000 than a return game to Kent State.

CL seriously looks for every opportunity to bash Marshall, specifically the football team.


As for the loss of funds, what else is new. We are in much better position than a lot of other schools. We have actual fans and therefore we do not rely on the TV money as much as other schools do. If the night games turn out to be as big of a success as we think, then this could end up being a blessing in disguise. Would love to show our AD that we can average over 30,000 with better kick off times. Maybe that would make them fight for that more in the future.

(07-04-2016 09:21 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Like us, P5 schools play 12 regular season games and play 4 home and 4 away conference games. Unlike us, of the 4 out of conference games, they typically play 3 home and only 1 away. In other words, they play 7 home games and 5 away games each year. That's not going to change. With their huge stadiums, they make a killing off that additional home game per year because they fill it. Heck, Kentucky had 8 home games last year and zero road games OOC. I'd wager there were others.

Although there are a small handful of P5's that will play G5 teams on the road, there's not enough of them willing to play all of us on the road to go around.

It's a balancing act. Get the money game each year and almost always lose it or play a weak schedule and have a chance at a fluffy record which might increase your attendance numbers and/or increase your chances at getting Bowl eligible.

UK most years has 8 home games, even more amazing they cannot get to 6 wins with everything they have resource wise to get there...I drive by there stadium almost every day living here and just amazed how nice (newly renovated) it is now on top of building a brand new outside practice facility to their already newish indoor practice facility...I just chuckle every time just thinking how bad they are and what a waste of money...Hell WKU should get half of their resources just due to have historically a better football program..UK has proven they are horrible with everything possible for them to succeed while we do 100% more with less...

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't ODU one of the more heavily subsidized schools in the league via state funding and student fee's?

About 66-68% right now I think without looking it up. Down about 10% over the last few years, since joining CUSA. I think many wishes we got the same level of state funding.

Here is real info. So we're at about 65%.

In 2012-13, ODU funded 73 percent of its athletic budget with student fees. That fell to 70 percent a year later and to 65.1 percent in 2013-14. According to a recently released USA Today database, the number dropped again, to 64.6 percent, in 2014-15 – the last year for which full budget figures are available.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...dba73.html

(07-05-2016 07:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 09:21 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Like us, P5 schools play 12 regular season games and play 4 home and 4 away conference games. Unlike us, of the 4 out of conference games, they typically play 3 home and only 1 away. In other words, they play 7 home games and 5 away games each year. That's not going to change. With their huge stadiums, they make a killing off that additional home game per year because they fill it. Heck, Kentucky had 8 home games last year and zero road games OOC. I'd wager there were others.

Although there are a small handful of P5's that will play G5 teams on the road, there's not enough of them willing to play all of us on the road to go around.

It's a balancing act. Get the money game each year and almost always lose it or play a weak schedule and have a chance at a fluffy record which might increase your attendance numbers and/or increase your chances at getting Bowl eligible.

UK most years has 8 home games, even more amazing they cannot get to 6 wins with everything they have resource wise to get there...I drive by there stadium almost every day living here and just amazed how nice (newly renovated) it is now on top of building a brand new outside practice facility to their already newish indoor practice facility...I just chuckle every time just thinking how bad they are and what a waste of money...Hell WKU should get half of their resources just due to have historically a better football program..UK has proven they are horrible with everything possible for them to succeed while we do 100% more with less...

Yeah, I realize they play in the SEC, but they should always be no worse than 3-1 in their OOC schedule given the resources and ability to schedule buy games. The fact that they can't go at least 3-5 in conference more often (playing in the east, not the west), is ridiculous.

(07-04-2016 10:08 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 09:45 AM)herdinva Wrote:  A lot of factors go into it, don't think its that simple. If you are a G5, the uphill battle has always been there, but there are other factors that get looked at when these so called P5 schools consider playing away games at G5's. #1 recruiting, is it an area they recruit? #2 branding, does the program have branding to warrant it #3 stadium size, peps can say what they want, but the bigger and nicer their stadium, the more you gonna get those home games vs p5.

Of course not all P5's are created equal same as not all G5's are equal, so those wake forest, Indiana, purdue schools know they are going to have a much harder time strong arming a ECU, Marshall, Boise, USM etc.

I don't disagree with any of that. What I was getting at is that the numbers just don't add up for a G5 to expect to get a home P5 game every year or even 2 or 3 years. There are approximately 60 P5 schools. The P5 schools typically only play one FBS OOC game on the road per year. Of those 60 games, I'd bet the bulk of them are against other P5 schools. In essence, the 60+ G5 schools are fighting for probably only 10-20 games at home per year with P5 schools. 20 is probably a huge stretch.

I only brought it up because some posters above were implying they have leverage to play 1 and 1's. They(we, the G5) don't. There just aren't enough of those opportunities to go around. Heck, I consider WKU lucky in that we've had 2 P5 home games in the last 6 years (Indiana and Vanderbilt).

Surely someone with data and time (WKUYG) could quickly provide the numbers.

As an FYI,

Here's the home P5 games per G5 Conference this Fall. There are 18 P5 Games hosted by G5 Schools this year. Found this on the AAC Board. 8 for the AAC, 6 for C-USA, 3 for MWC, 1 for SBC, and 0 for MAC. Lots of winnable games here. All those ACC games at AAC schools are very winnable given that the ACC is P5 in name only...lol

AAC:
UCONN: Syracuse, Virginia
ECU: NC St
USF: Florida St
UCF: Maryland
Houston: Louisville
Memphis: Kansas
SMU: TCU

CUSA:
Florida International: Indiana, Maryland
Western Kentucky: Vanderbilt
Texas San Antonio: Arizona St
Rice: Baylor
Marshall: Louisville

MWC:
San Diego St: Cal
San Jose St: Utah
Boise St: Washington St

Sun Belt:
App St: Miami

MAC: (No home games vs P5)

From the article:

Quote: As far as salaries, Jack Bogaczyk recently retired from his duties in Marshall's Sports Information office, which included Director of Publications and HerdZone.com columnist.

Then, Carly Weisenbach announced Friday she was leaving as Marshall's Associate Director of Sports Information to accept a position at the University of Pittsburgh. Weisenbach was the sports information liaison for the MU men's basketball program.

Will either be replaced? Maybe not.

One of them already has, and it's with the Charleston Gazette-Mail's sports editor:

http://www.herdzone.com/genrel/070816aaa.html

He's helping start a monthly Herd magazine and will do stuff for HerdZone.com. I don't know him, but we both worked at the same paper (in different times) during a past life, and I've heard nothing but glowing recommendations about him, so this sounds like a good get.