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(04-27-2018 11:38 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  And...Have you met my friend Men's Basketball Recruiting thread?

Every thread...JJ sucks, We can't beat anyone, fire everyone. Yada, Yada, Yada, blah, blah, blah. I think there are specific thread dedicated to all these topics.

...and it’s driven by a few posters on this site.

(04-27-2018 09:40 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:33 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:45 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 07:40 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 07:17 PM)monarx Wrote:  It was the second best team JJ has had. BT had four or five that were better. Capel had two or three that were better, and Ollie had a couple. Last years team wasn’t an NIT caliber team or they would have been in. They were close. We don’t call the Freeman team an NCAA caliber team.

Disagree the Freeman team wasn’t dance caliber. The team that went to the NIT was tight! I still relish the beat down they put on vcu in the Ted.

Unfortunately, being in CUSA, we do not have the luxury of affording JJ's patented midseason slumps. The team had a lot of potential and won some pretty big games OOC at home, but they were unable to sustain that level of play, perform well on the road, or bring it back when it counted. NCAA calibur teams these days don't lose to UTSA on the road (and they were awful that year). Maybe could have gotten away with it under the committees in Blaine's era, but nowadays, there is no room for that.

I think it is not easy to play in CUSA, and the road losses were a reflection of travel fatigue. But the wins (and winning streak at the Ted) that year were exceptional and Freeman was phenomenal. That was most definitely a team worthy of the “dance.” It doesn’t, and won’t, get much better than that year.

Well that's certainly a sad thought if that is the high bar that ODU will likely not exceed. I've witnessed times when ODU was much better than that.

I have followed the program for decades and perhaps you have, too. The team that year with Freeman was special. But please let me know of sustained better years (and the 70s-80s are too old at this point). Sessoms/Hodge/etc - those were good years but the year with Freeman was on the same level. And the early Bazemore years were nirvana.

The Alex Loughton, Gerald Lee, Frank Hassell, Arnaud Dahi, Kent Bazemore years were awesome as were the Sessoms, Mullen, Hodge years. I also have fond memories of the Bassett, Bowdler, Poag, years. That Freeman team was special, but it was a one year thing, not a three or four year dynasty like the above teams. Most importantly, the Freeman team didnt make the NCAA while most of the above went multiple times.

(04-27-2018 10:40 PM)monarx Wrote:  The Alex Loughton, Gerald Lee, Frank Hassell, Arnaud Dahi, Kent Bazemore years were awesome as were the Sessoms, Mullen, Hodge years. I also have fond memories of the Bassett, Bowdler, Poag, years. That Freeman team was special, but it was a one year thing, not a three or four year dynasty like the above teams. Most importantly, the Freeman team didnt make the NCAA while most of the above went multiple times.

Those names/teams bring back great memories. The Freeman year was in the same category, but it definitely was a one year flash. The second Freeman year would have been special if only we had gotten past Middle in the championship. The team that year was peaking at just the right time.

The Valentine ---> Gattison years were pretty good. Only 1 NCAA win (WVU in 86, KG's senior year) but a win against a #1 and a #3. #8 seed in 86 is our highest NCAAT seed. McAdoo, C. Smith, Thomas, West, and Mann, were among the top players then.

But I think the Loughton ---> Lee years were a bit better.

(04-27-2018 09:40 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 11:38 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  And...Have you met my friend Men's Basketball Recruiting thread?

Every thread...JJ sucks, We can't beat anyone, fire everyone. Yada, Yada, Yada, blah, blah, blah. I think there are specific thread dedicated to all these topics.

...and it’s driven by a few posters on this site.

It seems some have no grass to cut and have not recently paid a visit to their local drug store.

(04-27-2018 09:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:40 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:33 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:45 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 07:40 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Disagree the Freeman team wasn’t dance caliber. The team that went to the NIT was tight! I still relish the beat down they put on vcu in the Ted.

Unfortunately, being in CUSA, we do not have the luxury of affording JJ's patented midseason slumps. The team had a lot of potential and won some pretty big games OOC at home, but they were unable to sustain that level of play, perform well on the road, or bring it back when it counted. NCAA calibur teams these days don't lose to UTSA on the road (and they were awful that year). Maybe could have gotten away with it under the committees in Blaine's era, but nowadays, there is no room for that.

I think it is not easy to play in CUSA, and the road losses were a reflection of travel fatigue. But the wins (and winning streak at the Ted) that year were exceptional and Freeman was phenomenal. That was most definitely a team worthy of the “dance.” It doesn’t, and won’t, get much better than that year.

Well that's certainly a sad thought if that is the high bar that ODU will likely not exceed. I've witnessed times when ODU was much better than that.

I have followed the program for decades and perhaps you have, too. The team that year with Freeman was special. But please let me know of sustained better years (and the 70s-80s are too old at this point). Sessoms/Hodge/etc - those were good years but the year with Freeman was on the same level. And the early Bazemore years were nirvana.

I'm sure we must have crossed paths at some of the games over the years ODUDJ96. I've followed ODU basketball - both men's and women's - for pretty much the past 50 years. I've watched players like Twardzik, Copeland, Washington, Lieberman, Nissen, and Donovan play in person at ODU. Because of that, I'm not going to exclude a period of time that fits with my original statement, "I've witnessed times when ODU was much better than that". Keep in mind that my comment was in response to your statement - "It doesn’t, and won’t, get much better than that year". Fact is, it has been better than that, and we should all hope that the team gets back on that path again soon.

If ODU isn't improving then they are either staying the same or moving backwards. I don't see them staying the same as they once were, and that includes as recently as just a decade ago when they had more consistent success in many areas (routinely getting big out of conference wins, Conference Championships, NIT Bids, NCAA Tournament Bids, NCAA Tournament at large selection).

The team you are mentioning - the year ODU went to the NIT Final Four with Freeman - was a good team but in my book it wasn't so good that I would refer to it as being special, but they did have a special player - Freeman. They finished 3rd in C-USA and lost to a lower seeded team in their very first game of the C-USA Tournament (ODU did better in both categories this season). The first third of their season - the out of conference portion - was strong and could be viewed as special, but they were only slightly above average during the conference season with 5 conference losses (6 if you include the Tournament). ODU did better this season with just 3 conference losses (4 if you include the Tournament).

Their crowning achievements were getting themselves ranked in the Top 25 whereby they immediately lost their next game and forever dropped out of the rankings, and making it to the NIT Final Four on a last second desperation shot from near half court by Freeman. They then lost decidedly in their first game of the NIT Final Four to Stanford.

Man, I will sure be glad when we sign somebody. Anybody. Back to talking about Joel Copeland and the good ole days again I see !

We need some recruiting news...NOW.

(04-28-2018 02:28 PM)mac Wrote:  Man, I will sure be glad when we sign somebody. Anybody. Back to talking about Joel Copeland and the good ole days again I see !

We need some recruiting news...NOW.

It is what it is. We’ve made this bed by accepting mediocrity, now we have to lie in it until someone shows some f’ing intelligence for the first time in years in the athletic department (or higher).

(04-28-2018 02:28 PM)mac Wrote:  Man, I will sure be glad when we sign somebody. Anybody. Back to talking about Joel Copeland and the good ole days again I see !

We need some recruiting news...NOW.

Maybe they should just shut the board down till we hear something ... hopefully before summer ends. Speaking of the good ole days ... they could just put up one of those old 1950's TV test patterns while they are shut down waiting for that next big recruit that everyone is anxious to talk about.

(04-28-2018 12:41 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:40 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:33 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 09:45 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Unfortunately, being in CUSA, we do not have the luxury of affording JJ's patented midseason slumps. The team had a lot of potential and won some pretty big games OOC at home, but they were unable to sustain that level of play, perform well on the road, or bring it back when it counted. NCAA calibur teams these days don't lose to UTSA on the road (and they were awful that year). Maybe could have gotten away with it under the committees in Blaine's era, but nowadays, there is no room for that.

I think it is not easy to play in CUSA, and the road losses were a reflection of travel fatigue. But the wins (and winning streak at the Ted) that year were exceptional and Freeman was phenomenal. That was most definitely a team worthy of the “dance.” It doesn’t, and won’t, get much better than that year.

Well that's certainly a sad thought if that is the high bar that ODU will likely not exceed. I've witnessed times when ODU was much better than that.

I have followed the program for decades and perhaps you have, too. The team that year with Freeman was special. But please let me know of sustained better years (and the 70s-80s are too old at this point). Sessoms/Hodge/etc - those were good years but the year with Freeman was on the same level. And the early Bazemore years were nirvana.

I'm sure we must have crossed paths at some of the games over the years ODUDJ96. I've followed ODU basketball - both men's and women's - for pretty much the past 50 years. I've watched players like Twardzik, Copeland, Washington, Lieberman, Nissen, and Donovan play in person at ODU. Because of that, I'm not going to exclude a period of time that fits with my original statement, "I've witnessed times when ODU was much better than that". Keep in mind that my comment was in response to your statement - "It doesn’t, and won’t, get much better than that year". Fact is, it has been better than that, and we should all hope that the team gets back on that path again soon.

If ODU isn't improving then they are either staying the same or moving backwards. I don't see them staying the same as they once were, and that includes as recently as just a decade ago when they had more consistent success in many areas (routinely getting big out of conference wins, Conference Championships, NIT Bids, NCAA Tournament Bids, NCAA Tournament at large selection).

The team you are mentioning - the year ODU went to the NIT Final Four with Freeman - was a good team but in my book it wasn't so good that I would refer to it as being special, but they did have a special player - Freeman. They finished 3rd in C-USA and lost to a lower seeded team in their very first game of the C-USA Tournament (ODU did better in both categories this season). The first third of their season - the out of conference portion - was strong and could be viewed as special, but they were only slightly above average during the conference season with 5 conference losses (6 if you include the Tournament). ODU did better this season with just 3 conference losses (4 if you include the Tournament).

Their crowning achievements were getting themselves ranked in the Top 25 whereby they immediately lost their next game and forever dropped out of the rankings, and making it to the NIT Final Four on a last second desperation shot from near half court by Freeman. They then lost decidedly in their first game of the NIT Final Four to Stanford.

I respect your point of view and your heritage with the team. However, that year was as good as it gets from my perspective (but is comparable to many other stellar teams/years). I won’t go into the many details that made that year special, but I will say the beat down we put on a ranked vcu team was one I will cherish for years to come. And, looking forward, hopefully we put a beat down on a lesser vcu team next year in the Ted.

March 7, 2011 was a much better beat down of VCU. ODU's seniors that year finished their careers having defeated VCU 4 times in VCU's hometown of Richmond, and won back to back CAA Tournament titles.

(04-28-2018 10:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  March 7, 2011 was a much better beat down of VCU. ODU's seniors that year finished their careers having defeated VCU 4 times in VCU's hometown of Richmond, and won back to back CAA Tournament titles.

That was sweet, too - but that vcu team wasn’t ranked. I could feel the pain from richmond when we beat their ranked team.

(04-28-2018 10:45 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  March 7, 2011 was a much better beat down of VCU. ODU's seniors that year finished their careers having defeated VCU 4 times in VCU's hometown of Richmond, and won back to back CAA Tournament titles.

That was sweet, too - but that vcu team wasn’t ranked. I could feel the pain from richmond when we beat their ranked team.

That VCU team earned an NCAA Tournament Final Four banner.

(04-28-2018 11:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:45 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  March 7, 2011 was a much better beat down of VCU. ODU's seniors that year finished their careers having defeated VCU 4 times in VCU's hometown of Richmond, and won back to back CAA Tournament titles.

That was sweet, too - but that vcu team wasn’t ranked. I could feel the pain from richmond when we beat their ranked team.

That VCU team earned an NCAA Tournament Final Four banner.

The lose to Butler was the beginning of BT and ODU's downhill fall from grace that we still have not recovered from.VCU went on to the final 4 and the A10. BT went home and crawled into a bottle and ODU went on to fall from grace and the CUSA. ODU athletic department??? Big question mark where we go from here. All I know is what we are doing is not working.

(04-29-2018 06:17 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 11:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:45 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  March 7, 2011 was a much better beat down of VCU. ODU's seniors that year finished their careers having defeated VCU 4 times in VCU's hometown of Richmond, and won back to back CAA Tournament titles.

That was sweet, too - but that vcu team wasn’t ranked. I could feel the pain from richmond when we beat their ranked team.

That VCU team earned an NCAA Tournament Final Four banner.

The lose to Butler was the beginning of BT and ODU's downhill fall from grace that we still have not recovered from.VCU went on to the final 4 and the A10. BT went home and crawled into a bottle and ODU went on to fall from grace and the CUSA. ODU athletic department??? Big question mark where we go from here. All I know is what we are doing is not working.

I agree. ODU was hurt by the departure of seniors Keyon Carter, Ben Finney, Frank Hassell, and Darius James after that final game in the NCAA Tourney against Butler that ended with their heartbreaking defeat at the buzzer. As we know, that same Butler team would go on to the NCAA Championship game, and put an end to VCU's run in their Final Four match-up. Those 4 seniors averaged 24.25 wins per season and won an ODU record 97 games during their career, which included winning 6 of 11 games against VCU. They knocked VCU out of the CAA Tournament in Richmond during both their junior and senior seasons. I could feel the pain in Richmond when ODU beat them in both of those games.

(04-29-2018 06:17 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 11:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:45 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  March 7, 2011 was a much better beat down of VCU. ODU's seniors that year finished their careers having defeated VCU 4 times in VCU's hometown of Richmond, and won back to back CAA Tournament titles.

That was sweet, too - but that vcu team wasn’t ranked. I could feel the pain from richmond when we beat their ranked team.

That VCU team earned an NCAA Tournament Final Four banner.

The lose to Butler was the beginning of BT and ODU's downhill fall from grace that we still have not recovered from.VCU went on to the final 4 and the A10. BT went home and crawled into a bottle and ODU went on to fall from grace and the CUSA. ODU athletic department??? Big question mark where we go from here. All I know is what we are doing is not working.

I also believe that BT was grooming for the NC State job and quit recruiting after the Bazemore Cooper class. That, and losing his prize recruit and recruiter to VT. Add some personal issues for BT, rough year.

(04-29-2018 10:50 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-29-2018 06:17 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 11:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:45 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  March 7, 2011 was a much better beat down of VCU. ODU's seniors that year finished their careers having defeated VCU 4 times in VCU's hometown of Richmond, and won back to back CAA Tournament titles.

That was sweet, too - but that vcu team wasn’t ranked. I could feel the pain from richmond when we beat their ranked team.

That VCU team earned an NCAA Tournament Final Four banner.

The lose to Butler was the beginning of BT and ODU's downhill fall from grace that we still have not recovered from.VCU went on to the final 4 and the A10. BT went home and crawled into a bottle and ODU went on to fall from grace and the CUSA. ODU athletic department??? Big question mark where we go from here. All I know is what we are doing is not working.

I agree. ODU was hurt by the departure of seniors Keyon Carter, Ben Finney, Frank Hassell, and Darius James after that final game in the NCAA Tourney against Butler that ended with their heartbreaking defeat at the buzzer. As we know, that same Butler team would go on to the NCAA Championship game, and put an end to VCU's run in their Final Four match-up. Those 4 seniors averaged 24.25 wins per season and won an ODU record 97 games during their career, which included winning 6 of 11 games against VCU. They knocked VCU out of the CAA Tournament in Richmond during both their junior and senior seasons. I could feel the pain in Richmond when ODU beat them in both of those games.

Let’s just try to get the pain going again out of Richmond. And let’s start with next year at the Ted! I can tell you, if we lose that game - then I have lost all support for Jones. I can’t take another year of losing to feces.

(04-29-2018 11:39 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(04-29-2018 06:17 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 11:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:45 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 10:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  March 7, 2011 was a much better beat down of VCU. ODU's seniors that year finished their careers having defeated VCU 4 times in VCU's hometown of Richmond, and won back to back CAA Tournament titles.

That was sweet, too - but that vcu team wasn’t ranked. I could feel the pain from richmond when we beat their ranked team.

That VCU team earned an NCAA Tournament Final Four banner.

The lose to Butler was the beginning of BT and ODU's downhill fall from grace that we still have not recovered from.VCU went on to the final 4 and the A10. BT went home and crawled into a bottle and ODU went on to fall from grace and the CUSA. ODU athletic department??? Big question mark where we go from here. All I know is what we are doing is not working.

I also believe that BT was grooming for the NC State job and quit recruiting after the Bazemore Cooper class. That, and losing his prize recruit and recruiter to VT. Add some personal issues for BT, rough year.

I miss the hay day years of BT, but the “year we don’t speak of” was the absolute worst in our history. And he owns that year, too - and owes us an apology. I actually stopped watching the games that year. And I was disappointed greatly when we hired Jones but was willing to let him prove himself. My biggest critism is the way he berates his players during the games. It reminds me of Bobby Knight (my dad went to Syracuse) and it is unnecessary.

Trying to sort through all of the arguing, but I don't remember seeing this offer posted

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