(06-16-2016 12:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:02 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 12:50 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  How about eliminating the divisions altogether and adapting a scheduling philosophy closer to what we have in basketball.

Each school gets 3 permanent home/away partners and the rest rotate in some colorful fashion...

http://csnbbs.com/thread-782069-post-133...id13332012

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE

I pretty much nailed the 4 permanent rivals, 8 game schedule years ago. Problem is, Big 10 blocked us.

politely ask to please reconsider ...
if refused ...
sue ...

NO MORE MR. NICE GUY

(06-16-2016 02:03 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 12:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:02 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 12:50 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  How about eliminating the divisions altogether and adapting a scheduling philosophy closer to what we have in basketball.

Each school gets 3 permanent home/away partners and the rest rotate in some colorful fashion...

http://csnbbs.com/thread-782069-post-133...id13332012

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE

I pretty much nailed the 4 permanent rivals, 8 game schedule years ago. Problem is, Big 10 blocked us.

politely ask to please reconsider ...
if refused ...
sue ...

NO MORE MR. NICE GUY

For real, there is no logical reason behind enforcing divisions, especially ones that don't consider geography, rivalries, or competitive balance.

(06-16-2016 02:31 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 02:03 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 12:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:02 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 12:50 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  How about eliminating the divisions altogether and adapting a scheduling philosophy closer to what we have in basketball.

Each school gets 3 permanent home/away partners and the rest rotate in some colorful fashion...

http://csnbbs.com/thread-782069-post-133...id13332012

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE

I pretty much nailed the 4 permanent rivals, 8 game schedule years ago. Problem is, Big 10 blocked us.

politely ask to please reconsider ...
if refused ...
sue ...

NO MORE MR. NICE GUY

For real, there is no logical reason behind enforcing divisions, especially ones that don't consider geography, rivalries, or competitive balance.

There's a reason why basketball moved away from divisions. It's time for football to catch up.

(06-14-2016 09:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  How about this then?

EAST
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Duke
UNC
Virginia
Va Tech

SOUTH
Louisville
NC State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Ga Tech
Florida St
Miami

PRO: (1) it IS geographical; (2) it only requires ONE protected crossover game (UNC/NC State); (3) It keeps Duke/UNC/UVa together.

I like this. And I like the creative way you treated the geographical terms.

If schools balk, heck, 'Atlantic' and 'Coastal' are still out there as terms. I'm OK with that.

My first choice remains that divisionless arrangement mentioned above. Each school has 3 protected regional rivals and rotates through the rest of the conference every two years.

That idea has much to recommend it. You get more conference cohesion and more appealing games for TV... which is no doubt why Jim Delany maneuvered to block it at the NCAA level. We may yet see something like it emerge, though. In time.

The biggest question with that divisionless format is how to determine the two teams who play in the CCG. One option I like is to let the playoff committee choose those teams, either directly or indirectly.

As a Louisville person I'm against any realignment that take us away from FSU & Clemson...

(06-19-2016 10:19 AM)Maize Wrote:  As a Louisville person I'm against any realignment that take us away from FSU & Clemson...

I don't think that it would be that bad, even if we got Pitt, Syracuse & BC as our 3 rivals. The other 5 games would consist of Clemson, Miami & VT one year & then FSU & GT the next.

Example:
Pitt, Syracuse, BC with Clemson, Miami, VT, NC St, WF

Pitt, Syracuse, BC with FSU, GT, NC, Duke, Virginia

Not a bad rotation & you play everyone twice in 4 years.

(06-19-2016 11:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-19-2016 10:19 AM)Maize Wrote:  As a Louisville person I'm against any realignment that take us away from FSU & Clemson...

I don't think that it would be that bad, even if we got Pitt, Syracuse & BC as our 3 rivals. The other 5 games would consist of Clemson, Miami & VT one year & then FSU & GT the next.

Example:
Pitt, Syracuse, BC with Clemson, Miami, VT, NC St, WF

Pitt, Syracuse, BC with FSU, GT, NC, Duke, Virginia

Not a bad rotation & you play everyone twice in 4 years.

Question....do you really want to give up annual games with Clemson and FSU...For me giving up Clemson is a Non Starter...FSU can be replaced with Miami...

How about:

Division A
Clemson
Duke
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Division B
Boston College
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Miami
Pittsburgh
Syracuse

I think an alignment like this preserves the most rivalries.

(06-20-2016 07:00 AM)Chappy Wrote:  How about:

Division A
Clemson
Duke
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Division B
Boston College
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Miami
Pittsburgh
Syracuse

I think an alignment like this preserves the most rivalries.

Non Starter for Clemson ppl...separating them from FSU & Georgia Tech...

EAST........................SOUTH
Boston College..........Louisville
Syracuse..................Clemson
Pittsburgh................Ga Tech
Duke.......................Wake Forest
UNC.........................NC State
Virginia....................Florida St
Va Tech....................Miami

This list doesn't necessarily reflect cross over/rivals.

I like Marks divisions the best. You play 2 cross-division games. You can designate one of them as permanent if you wish. The NC teams are split but I think that is the only way to go. That is probably an issue for UNC as they want to play both WF and NCSU.

I'm ok with the Atlantic and Coastal names in this scenario. The East division would be the Atlantic (mid/north Atlantic). The South division would be the Coastal (south east).

To Lou's point, if playing games in Florida is critical to your recruiting, there are other teams you can schedule between FSU and Miami games. There is FIU, FAU, USF, UCF, and I think there is a team in Gainesville?

(06-20-2016 06:37 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-19-2016 11:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-19-2016 10:19 AM)Maize Wrote:  As a Louisville person I'm against any realignment that take us away from FSU & Clemson...

I don't think that it would be that bad, even if we got Pitt, Syracuse & BC as our 3 rivals. The other 5 games would consist of Clemson, Miami & VT one year & then FSU & GT the next.

Example:
Pitt, Syracuse, BC with Clemson, Miami, VT, NC St, WF

Pitt, Syracuse, BC with FSU, GT, NC, Duke, Virginia

Not a bad rotation & you play everyone twice in 4 years.

Question....do you really want to give up annual games with Clemson and FSU...For me giving up Clemson is a Non Starter...FSU can be replaced with Miami...

No, I don't want to give up Clemson. FSU & Miami are interchangeable. What I would want in this scenario would be to have Clemson, VT & either Pitt or Syracuse as our 3 rivals & alternate between FSU & Miami.

Clemson, VT, Syracuse with FSU, GT, NC, WF & Virginia

Clemson, VT, Syracuse with Miami, Pittsburgh, NC State, Duke & BC

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

(06-20-2016 11:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

I'd be fine with this. Question is, would NC State roll with it?
Balance is not bad, either: Pitt/UL/VT/Miami vs. CU/GT/FSU, with an occasional appearance by someone else.

(06-20-2016 11:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

I'd be fine with this. Question is, would NC State roll with it?
Balance is not bad, either: Pitt/UL/VT/Miami vs. CU/GT/FSU, with an occasional appearance by someone else.

I would be ok with switching NC State and Wake.

(06-20-2016 11:23 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

I'd be fine with this. Question is, would NC State roll with it?
Balance is not bad, either: Pitt/UL/VT/Miami vs. CU/GT/FSU, with an occasional appearance by someone else.

I would be ok with switching NC State and Wake.

If Wake is agreeable for "settling" for that schedule (plus 2 of the other 7 every year, which could be worked out to guarantee at least one in state game most years) then I say do it!

Obligatory Megaconference Shoutout:

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

(06-21-2016 12:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Obligatory Megaconference Shoutout:

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

That was tried. It was called the Southern Conference. It broke up.

(06-20-2016 11:23 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

I'd be fine with this. Question is, would NC State roll with it?
Balance is not bad, either: Pitt/UL/VT/Miami vs. CU/GT/FSU, with an occasional appearance by someone else.

I would be ok with switching NC State and Wake.

I wouldn't.

8 game schedule. One move would make both Divisions stronger and provide more tier 1 content.

VT/Uva
Clem/FSU
NCST/UNC
WF/Duke
Cuse/Pitt
BC/GT
UofL/Miami

I would hate not playing FSU every year and I'm sure GT would hate not playing Clemson every year but imo, this alignment provides the best tier 1 and tier 2 football games

(06-21-2016 02:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 12:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Obligatory Megaconference Shoutout:

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

That was tried. It was called the Southern Conference. It broke up.

No comparison. Far different calibers of teams. Far different monetary landscape. Far different travel landscape.