No, the right idea would be to agree to dissolve both conferences and start new in more regional formats...

East
ODU
Charlotte
App State
Coastal
Ga Southern
Ga State
FAU
FIU
and possibly expand with JMU and Delaware

Mid
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
UAB
South Alabama
Troy
Arkansas St
UALR
Southern Miss

West
UTEP
New Mexico St
North Texas
Rice
Texas State
UTSA
La Tech
ULM
ULL

Much more regional in nature, creating rivalries, keeping costs down and each champ competing for the G5 access spot.

The C-USA legacy members (Marshall, Rice, Southern Miss, UAB and UTEP) need to call an "airport meeting" and find the 4 or 5 partners that would make the most sense to take with them. Something like:

Charlotte (4,668)
Louisiana Tech (3,856)
Marshall (5,474)
Old Dominion (7,038)
Rice (2,205)
Southern Miss (2,994)
UAB (4,946)
UTEP (7,386)

...would make a nice core group. Try to snag ULL (3,800), who seems to have pretty healthy support from fans, from the Sun Belt. The youth of the football programs at Charlotte and ODU could be an issue, but their basketball programs would be needed to make sure this group was in the running for an NCAA bid until they were together long enough to qualify for one on their own.

I added basketball attendance in parenthesis to show how this conference would look a lot better on TV than the current C-USA which has a few teams that draw less than 2,000 fans (I think UTSA and FIU are even below 1,000) or the Sun Belt where more teams are between 1-2,000.

(06-09-2016 02:51 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  http://csnbbs.com/thread-781573.html

Fans reaction to the news that the new CUSA TV deal being around 200k per team.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...957e7.html

.. It's not so crazy because one fan reacted by saying it?

(06-12-2016 12:45 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:   STOP THESE GOOFY POSTS

Every other day there is some new conference or new split or swapping of teams.

We have gone through years of teams joining other conferences and this is not the way it has happened to date nor will it happen in the future.

No way any school that changed conferences is going to go back and re-join schools they left. Every conference can get the same close travel benefits by going to divisions for all sports.

Just because a conference has a better TV deal does not mean their schools play any sport better than another conference schools.

(Houston beat FSU in last years Peach Bowl) (USF lost to WKU in the Miami Beach Bowl) The ACC makes more money than the AAC and The AAC makes more money than CUSA but in both cases the lower paid conference won.

But I can assure you there will not be any reshuffle of any teams
No Conference is going to disband

Please use larger font next time. It will get your point across much more clearly.

(06-12-2016 12:45 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  [size=xx-large] STOP THESE GOOFY POSTS

Every other day there is some new conference or new split or swapping of teams.

Dude, this is a 'conference realignment' forum. If you don't want to see threads on that topic, don't visit this forum.

(06-12-2016 12:45 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  STOP THESE GOOFY POSTS

Every other day there is some new conference or new split or swapping of teams.

We have gone through years of teams joining other conferences and this is not the way it has happened to date nor will it happen in the future.

No way any school that changed conferences is going to go back and re-join schools they left. Every conference can get the same close travel benefits by going to divisions for all sports.

Just because a conference has a better TV deal does not mean their schools play any sport better than another conference schools.

(Houston beat FSU in last years Peach Bowl) (USF lost to WKU in the Miami Beach Bowl) The ACC makes more money than the AAC and The AAC makes more money than CUSA but in both cases the lower paid conference won.

But I can assure you there will not be any reshuffle of any teams
No Conference is going to disband[/size]

Temple says "what's poppin'?"

Georgia State and Charlotte said hello.

(06-12-2016 05:08 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 12:45 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  ... No way any school that changed conferences is going to go back and re-join schools they left. Every conference can get the same close travel benefits by going to divisions for all sports. ...

Temple says "what's poppin'?"

Temple got kicked out of the Big East, and then were FB-independent, and then got a lifeline into the MAC FB-only, and then finally got a lifeline back into the Big East which was suffering from ACC raids.

It's not as if they left the Big East for the MAC of their own volition and then "decided" to go back.

(06-12-2016 08:58 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 05:08 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 12:45 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  ... No way any school that changed conferences is going to go back and re-join schools they left. Every conference can get the same close travel benefits by going to divisions for all sports. ...

Temple says "what's poppin'?"

Temple got kicked out of the Big East, and then were FB-independent, and then got a lifeline into the MAC FB-only, and then finally got a lifeline back into the Big East which was suffering from ACC raids.

It's not as if they left the Big East for the MAC of their own volition and then "decided" to go back.

It's also not as if anyone said that they did. I merely said that they rejoined the conference.

While I'm at it, I'm pretty sure that Marshall has been in and out of the Mac more than once.

(06-13-2016 12:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 08:58 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 05:08 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 12:45 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  ... No way any school that changed conferences is going to go back and re-join schools they left. Every conference can get the same close travel benefits by going to divisions for all sports. ...

Temple says "what's poppin'?"

Temple got kicked out of the Big East, and then were FB-independent, and then got a lifeline into the MAC FB-only, and then finally got a lifeline back into the Big East which was suffering from ACC raids.

It's not as if they left the Big East for the MAC of their own volition and then "decided" to go back.

It's also not as if anyone said that they did. I merely said that they rejoined the conference.

While I'm at it, I'm pretty sure that Marshall has been in and out of the Mac more than once.

Boise State left the MWC and returned.

NIU and Marshall both have 2 tours of duty in the MAC.

Charlotte rejoined CUSA after sliding to the A10.

It doesn't happen all too often but it happens.

Some have said there could be problems forming a new conference because of the way the CFP TV deal is structured. MWC, AAC, MAC, SBC, CUSA have the rights to the TV money and no other entities.

Where this becomes interesting is that the CFP is a 12 year deal, 2 six year cycles. At the moment we are in year 3 of the first cycle. Figuring the TV deal for the CFP won't be renegotiated up for the second cycle and the CFP is basically fixed for 12 years there may not be an allowable point for the formation of another G5 conference for another 8 or 9 years (the end of the 12 year contract).

That means regardless of how crappy the CUSA or SBC money continues to be don't expect a reshuffle anytime soon.

(06-13-2016 12:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 08:58 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 05:08 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 12:45 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  ... No way any school that changed conferences is going to go back and re-join schools they left. Every conference can get the same close travel benefits by going to divisions for all sports. ...

Temple says "what's poppin'?"

Temple got kicked out of the Big East, and then were FB-independent, and then got a lifeline into the MAC FB-only, and then finally got a lifeline back into the Big East which was suffering from ACC raids.

It's not as if they left the Big East for the MAC of their own volition and then "decided" to go back.

It's also not as if anyone said that they did. I merely said that they rejoined the conference.

But in the context of the discussion, David Krumudgen was clearly referring to the schools that left the SBC for CUSA in the 2013/2014 waves of realignment, rather than making a sweeping out of context claim regarding all schools from the founding of the NCAA.

Obviously some of the schools in CUSA cannot go back to the conferences they came from, because they either were not or else are no longer FBS conferences.

Quote: While I'm at it, I'm pretty sure that Marshall has been in and out of the Mac more than once.

And the first time they left was a lot more similar to Temple in the Big East than the F_U's, UNT, MTSU or WKU ... the first time they left was more a MAC decision regarding the fit of Marshall after their run-ins with the NCAA.

The second time they left was a lot more like the 2013/2014 crop from the Sunbelt, taking what they viewed (in 2005) as a step up in conferences ... and even if stepping from the current CUSA (as opposed to the CUSA that they originally joined in 2005) would now be a sideways step at worst for Marshall, they still have a much better fit in the CUSA Eastern division than they had in the MAC Eastern division.

Northern Illinois would be the closest analogy, and the Huskies spent six years as an independent and three in the Big West before deciding that the MAC was the best option after all.

(06-13-2016 12:59 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Charlotte rejoined CUSA after sliding to the A10.

Now you are being silly .... Charlotte was a non-FB member of CUSA v1.0, and got the offer to join CUSA v3.0 after they decided to FBS football after all. The same non-football Charlotte that left would have had no reason to leave the A10 to join CUSA.

(06-12-2016 05:48 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Georgia State and Charlotte said hello.

And University of New Orleans did two stints in the Sun Belt, Marshall did two stints in the MAC, NIU is on stint number two in the MAC.

Yeah schools NEVER go back to an old conference.

The problem some people are having is two dimensional thinking.

If CUSA were to divorce, and really CUSA is the easiest to divorce either splitting along the lines of the east and west divisions, or along those lines with UAB going east or less probably UAB and USM going east. It doesn't take a great deal to have that result in two conferences that hold the charters of CUSA and Sun Belt but announce them to the world as two different conferences. It keeps the legal ties to the CFP and NCAA but brands them differently.

This crap ain't that hard to do.

The logic for doing it is pretty simple.
The money pile is equal.
Looking at the baseball schedule for Rice looks like next year they travel to ODU, Charlotte, and FAU. They can slash that travel and have a league that is essentially the same in baseball RPI at lower cost with less missed class. UTEP doesn't send it's equipment truck on a 27 hour drive one-way assuming no food, fuel, bathroom breaks.

(06-13-2016 08:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The problem some people are having is two dimensional thinking.

If CUSA were to divorce, and really CUSA is the easiest to divorce either splitting along the lines of the east and west divisions, or along those lines with UAB going east or less probably UAB and USM going east. It doesn't take a great deal to have that result in two conferences that hold the charters of CUSA and Sun Belt but announce them to the world as two different conferences. It keeps the legal ties to the CFP and NCAA but brands them differently.

This crap ain't that hard to do.

The logic for doing it is pretty simple.
The money pile is equal.
Looking at the baseball schedule for Rice looks like next year they travel to ODU, Charlotte, and FAU. They can slash that travel and have a league that is essentially the same in baseball RPI at lower cost with less missed class. UTEP doesn't send it's equipment truck on a 27 hour drive one-way assuming no food, fuel, bathroom breaks.

This is really the whole premise of my idea. If you are getting hardly an TV money and hardly any true exposure. At what point is it better to just go regional and let TV come to you when you have something worth putting on tv?

As a fan/student driving 27 hours is near impossible unless you are prepared to spend hundreds of dollars on a plane and hotel just to watch a 3-4 hour football game.

I mean this is fine if you are traveling to play someone like Michigan or Uconn in basketball. But sending your baseball/softball team across the country to play UNCC? Even for football it's a little crazy because what benefit is there for UTEP to play UNCC?

If they were in a conference with UNT, Texas State, Rice, New Mexico State, UTSA, ULL, La Tech, USM, Arkansas State, and one other then many of those trips are drive friendly although still long for UTEP.

What he was saying, I think, is no schools are going to go back to old conferences NOW, not that it's never happened and thus never *can* happen. Outside of Marshall returning to the MAC, which I'd consider a longshot, I can't think of another school that would consider it, barring catastrophic conditions. None of the AAC schools are going back to CUSA unless the AAC implodes. None of the CUSA schools are going back to the Sun Belt. None of the Mountain West schools are going back to the WAC. Louisville and TCU aren't going back to the AAC. And so on and so forth.

(06-13-2016 08:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The problem some people are having is two dimensional thinking.

If CUSA were to divorce, and really CUSA is the easiest to divorce either splitting along the lines of the east and west divisions, or along those lines with UAB going east or less probably UAB and USM going east. It doesn't take a great deal to have that result in two conferences that hold the charters of CUSA and Sun Belt but announce them to the world as two different conferences. It keeps the legal ties to the CFP and NCAA but brands them differently.

This crap ain't that hard to do.

The logic for doing it is pretty simple.
The money pile is equal.
Looking at the baseball schedule for Rice looks like next year they travel to ODU, Charlotte, and FAU. They can slash that travel and have a league that is essentially the same in baseball RPI at lower cost with less missed class. UTEP doesn't send it's equipment truck on a 27 hour drive one-way assuming no food, fuel, bathroom breaks.

Exactly. No need for a new conference. Its just a reshuffle of members between two existing conferences.

(06-13-2016 11:12 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  What he was saying, I think, is no schools are going to go back to old conferences NOW, not that it's never happened and thus never *can* happen. Outside of Marshall returning to the MAC, which I'd consider a longshot, I can't think of another school that would consider it, barring catastrophic conditions. None of the AAC schools are going back to CUSA unless the AAC implodes. None of the CUSA schools are going back to the Sun Belt. None of the Mountain West schools are going back to the WAC. Louisville and TCU aren't going back to the AAC. And so on and so forth.

Here's the problem with that statement.

Absolutely no one is saying that is what will or should happen.

The consistent line of thought is that there should be a south/southeast conference and a south/southwest conference and the only connection to the existing Sun Belt and Conference USA is employing their "license" to retain autobids and participation in the CFP revenue share.

For example in Arkansas it used to be much harder to obtain a private club license to sell alcohol by the drink in a dry territory. If you had an existing 501C3 organization with a membership list you could "sell" that 501C3 to a person desiring a private club permit. You needed to be established for a set amount of time as a non-profit to qualify.

So you could have the county ladies garden club becoming a private alcohol permit holder doing business as Al's Bar and Grill. Al owned the 501C3 got the permit and then did nothing related to being a garden club.

This is what people are talking about not teams slinking back to their old league but creating something new with regional peers.

(06-12-2016 09:10 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  No, the right idea would be to agree to dissolve both conferences and start new in more regional formats...

East
ODU
Charlotte
App State
Coastal
Ga Southern
Ga State
FAU
FIU
and possibly expand with JMU and Delaware

Mid
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
UAB
South Alabama
Troy
Arkansas St
UALR
Southern Miss

West
UTEP
New Mexico St
North Texas
Rice
Texas State
UTSA
La Tech
ULM
ULL

Much more regional in nature, creating rivalries, keeping costs down and each champ competing for the G5 access spot.

Why? That makes no sense when you already have two of them and the Sun Belt is for the most part on the right track with the exception one school, Texas State.

Send Texas State to the CUSA, send over the south east teams to the SBC, then you have your two 12 team regional conferences without bring teams up from FCS and making this situation even worse.