(06-01-2016 07:31 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Here's a breakdown of the 65 P5 schools:

33 are the flagship university of their state (don't tell me your state legislature has designated five schools as flagships. Except for New York, every state has a single university that is the clear flagship).

13 are land grant universities that are not their state's flagship university.

6 are public urban research universities that are clearly the number 2 (or number 1)public university in their state, in states whose flagship is also their land grant university. (UCLA, Florida St., Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Arizona St., and Louisville).

Texas is the only state with three public universities in the P5, with Texas Tech being neither a flagship nor a land grant.

12 are private universities. Each of these is in the USNWR top 100 (TCU is the lowest ranked at #82). Two are in states with no public university in the P5 (Syracuse and BC). Two are in states with only one public university in the P5 (Northwestern and Vanderbilt). Six are in the four most populous states (USC, Stanford, Baylor, TCU, Miami and Syracuse). One is the highest ranked Catholic university in the country (Notre Dame, USNWR #18). Two are in the USNWR top ten (Stanford and Duke). Three others are in the USNWR top twenty (Northwestern, Vanderbilt and Notre Dame). Three others are in the USNWR top thirty (USC, Wake Forest and BC).

The FBS schools outside the P5 that look most like P5 members are: UConn (Flagship), Colorado St. (Land Grant), Cincinnati (Number 2 public university in Ohio - based on research designation, not USNWR ranking), Memphis (Number 2 public university in Tennessee), and UMass (Flagship). Memphis and UMass are hurt by the fact that a private university is occupying their state niche. Any SUNY (New York) school is similarly hurt by Syracuse.

Excellent analysis. Good job!

(06-01-2016 07:38 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As a former USC ( the real one in LA) season ticket holder, and Orange County resident it is generally accepted that Cal - Berkley is the flagship of California.
CJ

Accepted but nobody particularly cares in an athletic sense.

(06-01-2016 03:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  bullet,

I'd accept a Cal/UCLA dual-flagship before I accept either Cal or UCLA as a singular flagship of the state.

This problem could be solved if California breaks to two states. Then both are flagship, University of North California and University of South California. IMO, California should break to 2. Texas should break to 4. Florida should break to 2. Merge Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire. Merge Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts. Merge Delaware into DC.

(06-01-2016 10:00 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 07:31 AM)orangefan Wrote:  The FBS schools outside the P5 that look most like P5 members are: UConn (Flagship), Colorado St. (Land Grant), Cincinnati (Number 2 public university in Ohio - based on research designation, not USNWR ranking), Memphis (Number 2 public university in Tennessee), and UMass (Flagship). Memphis and UMass are hurt by the fact that a private university is occupying their state niche. Any SUNY (New York) school is similarly hurt by Syracuse.

Wouldn't university presidents and other academic types consider Miami of Ohio the #2 public university in Ohio?

Miami is the traditional #1 public university in Ohio.

Most university presidents not in the B1G would consider it a step up from Ohio State.

Cincinnati is a step down from Ohio State and considered more of a mid tier school. The stats are there for P5 inclusion I'm not doubting that but they definitely aren't a safety net for a student wanting the Ivy League.

Miami is a place to go for students in the Midwest that can't get into University of Chicago, Northwestern or Notre Dame.

(06-01-2016 08:53 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 03:14 AM)MJG Wrote:  Besides already being in the club which is all that matters.

National ranked in academics at the least the lowest is 171 I think.

State flagship helps or prestigious private school for the most part.

A long history at the highest level athletically .

A few exceptions exist but there is no small poor academic schools with strong athletics in the club.
I see candidates that are no where near being peers to these schools mentioned why?
Being good at sports is a small piece of the puzzle at the P5 level.

Unknown, because the p5 keep moving the goalposts.

I like someone said in a blog a few years back. The guy said that football today is not the old days as blue blood teams of the past will be left in the dust, and the new names like Boise State will start dominating. That is what the P5 are worried about. We are already seeing P5 schools not getting fan support. Already lost a few from the P5 status which some could land in a conference. One of the schools the P5 people are saying that could get into a P5 soon is Boise State. Boise could actually be worth more than say some ACC schools and some PAC 12 schools like Duke, Wake Forest and Washington State.