Brian Davis @BDavisAAS

I don't know if Houston is ultimately good/bad. But this idea the Big 12 "owns" the Houston TV market is ill-informed. It's a SEC/UH town.

6:22 PM May 23, 2016

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Texas is killing it in Houston in Facebook likes.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/...99,-94.819

Not exactly breaking news, OP. Sure some people didn't want to say Houston has a lot of SEC following, but that has been well known for a long time. There was once a time where it was mostly a Big 12 school, but that started to fade when Houston was no longer playing with the top dogs.

(05-23-2016 10:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Brian Davis @BDavisAAS

I don't know if Houston is ultimately good/bad. But this idea the Big 12 "owns" the Houston TV market is ill-informed. It's a SEC/UH town.

6:22 PM May 23, 2016

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Houston isn't an SEC town either....Houston is primarily a PRO sports town.

Texans, Astros, and Rockets

After that, you have UH, the Dynamo, and Rice....

I will say UH is making more of a splash lately

(05-24-2016 08:27 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Brian Davis @BDavisAAS

I don't know if Houston is ultimately good/bad. But this idea the Big 12 "owns" the Houston TV market is ill-informed. It's a SEC/UH town.

6:22 PM May 23, 2016

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Houston isn't an SEC town either....Houston is primarily a PRO sports town.

Texans, Astros, and Rockets

After that, you have UH, the Dynamo, and Rice....

I will say UH is making more of a splash lately

You can slot both aTm and UT in there below the pros and above the local schools unfortunately.

Is there college football in Mexico?

From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Houston having 2 games in the top 10 is absolutely impressive.

I just can't see how anyone can draw the conclusion that Houston owns the market, especially when you look at the top 20 and still only see 2 Houston games compared to 6 Big 12 and 8 SEC.

Brian Davis @BDavisAAS

Eight of the top 10 TV games in Houston last season were SEC or UH games.

6:44 PM May 23, 2016

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(05-24-2016 09:15 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Houston having 2 games in the top 10 is absolutely impressive.

I just can't see how anyone can draw the conclusion that Houston owns the market, especially when you look at the top 20 and still only see 2 Houston games compared to 6 Big 12 and 8 SEC.

No college teams have or ever will own the Houston market....much like the NYC diagram that showed the percentages of Syracuse, Rutgers, Notre Dame, UConn, etc., the Houston market is similarly divided among several college teams, all of which have a small percentage...

The question is, can UH capture enough of that % to make them valuable enough to add to a major conference? I believe they can...they are making huge strides lately. Retaining their star coach, new stadium, NY6 Bowl win....

They start off against Oklahoma this next season, and also host Louisville. Not too shabby

(05-24-2016 09:24 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:15 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Houston having 2 games in the top 10 is absolutely impressive.

I just can't see how anyone can draw the conclusion that Houston owns the market, especially when you look at the top 20 and still only see 2 Houston games compared to 6 Big 12 and 8 SEC.

No college teams have or ever will own the Houston market....much like the NYC diagram that showed the percentages of Syracuse, Rutgers, Notre Dame, UConn, etc., the Houston market is similarly divided among several college teams, all of which have a small percentage...

The question is, can UH capture enough of that % to make them valuable enough to add to a major conference? I believe they can...they are making huge strides lately. Retaining their star coach, new stadium, NY6 Bowl win....

They start off against Oklahoma this next season, and also host Louisville. Not too shabby

I agree. Their real value would be to a P5 conference not named the SEC/Big 12.

How would those rankings look if you add Big 12 matchups of Houston v. Oklahoma; Houston v. Texas; Houston v. Baylor; Houston v. TCU; and Houston v. Oklahoma St. to the list?

My hunch is that the Big 12 would command at least 5 of the top-10 matchups and 10 of the top-20.

Expand with Houston and Cincinnati in the EAST division and BYU and Colorado St. in the WEST division. Keeps the Big 12 conference Texas-centric with travel pair branches in both directions.

EAST: WVU, Cincinnati, Iowa St., Kansas, Kansas St., TCU, Houston
WEST: BYU, Colorado St., Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor

Keeps everyone playing in Texas at least once per year and keeps most rivalries together. Stack the schedule so that BYU and CSU play Cincinnati and Houston cross-division for the first two years to allow cross-division legacy members to play each other.

To make the $$ work, have the four new members share the TV contract increase (built-in for two teams) through the end of the TV contract. That's still a nice increase for the new members' revenue. Also have the new members contribute two games to the new Big 12 TV network (rather than one), to provide additional content to offset Texas. That would give the B12N seventeen games of regular season football inventory.

The legacy members see a nice bump in revenue via the B12N share and the new CCG.

With Cincy and WVU in the East timezone and BYU and CSU in the Mountain timezone, FOX and ESPN now have options - if they want - to add more 12pm ET and 10pm ET Big 12 kickoffs to create additional value to justify the increase of the media deal payout.

(05-24-2016 09:29 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:24 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:15 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Houston having 2 games in the top 10 is absolutely impressive.

I just can't see how anyone can draw the conclusion that Houston owns the market, especially when you look at the top 20 and still only see 2 Houston games compared to 6 Big 12 and 8 SEC.

No college teams have or ever will own the Houston market....much like the NYC diagram that showed the percentages of Syracuse, Rutgers, Notre Dame, UConn, etc., the Houston market is similarly divided among several college teams, all of which have a small percentage...

The question is, can UH capture enough of that % to make them valuable enough to add to a major conference? I believe they can...they are making huge strides lately. Retaining their star coach, new stadium, NY6 Bowl win....

They start off against Oklahoma this next season, and also host Louisville. Not too shabby

I agree. Their real value would be to a P5 conference not named the SEC/Big 12.

I agree with that. Houston is probably more valuable to say the Pac-12 than the SEC or Big 12. However, if the SEC wanted a second Texas school, Houston wouldn't be a bad choice, particularly if it wanted to avoid UT's need to call the shots.

(05-24-2016 09:24 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:15 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Houston having 2 games in the top 10 is absolutely impressive.

I just can't see how anyone can draw the conclusion that Houston owns the market, especially when you look at the top 20 and still only see 2 Houston games compared to 6 Big 12 and 8 SEC.

No college teams have or ever will own the Houston market....much like the NYC diagram that showed the percentages of Syracuse, Rutgers, Notre Dame, UConn, etc., the Houston market is similarly divided among several college teams, all of which have a small percentage...

The question is, can UH capture enough of that % to make them valuable enough to add to a major conference? I believe they can...they are making huge strides lately. Retaining their star coach, new stadium, NY6 Bowl win....

They start off against Oklahoma this next season, and also host Louisville. Not too shabby

Looking at those numbers, what is impressive is that Houston V Temple and Houston v. Navy clearly outdraw Texas v. N. Dame, which you would have thought to be a prime attraction game. Houston is clearly doing something right, and the two AAC games were important games on Houston's schedule last season.

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(05-24-2016 10:04 AM)YNot Wrote:  How would those rankings look if you add Big 12 matchups of Houston v. Oklahoma; Houston v. Texas; Houston v. Baylor; Houston v. TCU; and Houston v. Oklahoma St. to the list?

Exactly.

Or the other way to look at it: all those A&M games on the list used to be Big 12 games. When the SEC took them, the Big 12 has done nothing to replace them. The Big 12 has simply turned their back on this market.

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Nope, facts are SEC games were the most watched period in Houston that is all.

(05-24-2016 08:53 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Is there college football in Mexico?

yup, the rams of Tech de Monterrey. From what I've read, they are the top school in football.

Although borregos salvajes really translates to wild sheeps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borregos_Salvajes

(05-24-2016 09:29 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:24 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:15 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Houston having 2 games in the top 10 is absolutely impressive.

I just can't see how anyone can draw the conclusion that Houston owns the market, especially when you look at the top 20 and still only see 2 Houston games compared to 6 Big 12 and 8 SEC.

No college teams have or ever will own the Houston market....much like the NYC diagram that showed the percentages of Syracuse, Rutgers, Notre Dame, UConn, etc., the Houston market is similarly divided among several college teams, all of which have a small percentage...

The question is, can UH capture enough of that % to make them valuable enough to add to a major conference? I believe they can...they are making huge strides lately. Retaining their star coach, new stadium, NY6 Bowl win....

They start off against Oklahoma this next season, and also host Louisville. Not too shabby

I agree. Their real value would be to a P5 conference not named the SEC/Big 12.

Would be nice if Baylor got the boot from the Big 12 with all the allegations going on lately and have UH as substitute candidate for the Bears. Especially with what happened to Ken Starr.

http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...oust-starr

Baylor's not going anywhere. My wish is that Houston and SMU would take the lead and reform the SWC! With mostly TX teams, but also from LA, OK, and NM as needed. Leave two to four slots open in case a couple of nearby P5 teams need a home when the various GORs near expiration.