I would push for the addition of Houston and Tulane. This allows the Oklahoma schools to join the North Division with OU vs. Texas being the only annual crossover. IMO, Houston and Texas in the same conference would only bring more attention to the Big XII in the city of Houston. The reoccurring presence of the Texas schools in the fertal recruiting swamps of Louisiana can't hurt, plus Tulane simultaneously bumps up the Big XII's academic profile.

(05-24-2016 08:27 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Brian Davis @BDavisAAS

I don't know if Houston is ultimately good/bad. But this idea the Big 12 "owns" the Houston TV market is ill-informed. It's a SEC/UH town.

6:22 PM May 23, 2016

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Houston isn't an SEC town either....Houston is primarily a PRO sports town.

Texans, Astros, and Rockets

After that, you have UH, the Dynamo, and Rice....

I will say UH is making more of a splash lately

Rice barely registers in the Houston sports scene, the Astros draw flies, the Rockets seem to underperform with casual fans in Houston, and the Texans are not the Cowboys as far as local support. So long as UT is not doing great, Houston will be more of an A&M/LSU town. UT fans just aren't as intense in their Fandom as the A&M and LSU folks are.

Having UH in the Big XII would help even things out a bit.

(05-24-2016 12:19 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Nope, facts are SEC games were the most watched period in Houston that is all.

ya, I said that in my post when I pointed out that Alabama dominated the Houston market

it's a stupid analysis

(05-24-2016 02:10 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 12:19 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:13 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 09:03 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  From the guy's Twitter:

http://i.imgur.com/N5cf3VH.jpg

So it looks like 8 games were SEC vs SEC, 6 games were Big 12 vs Big 12, and 2 games were Houston vs American.

I didn't include the SEC vs PAC or Big 12 vs ND games in that count. So it looks like when Houston is having their best season ever, they can command 10% of the top 20 games. Yes, Houston owns the market.

that's a stupid analysis....the conclusion from that is that Alabama owns the Houston market lol

The fact that UH has 2 games in the top 10 is pretty impressive IMO....

Nope, facts are SEC games were the most watched period in Houston that is all.

ya, I said that in my post when I pointed out that Alabama dominated the Houston market

it's a stupid analysis

Houstons best hope is if the Big12 decides to expand by two teams without a conference network. Kinda the opposite of Colorado St.

(05-24-2016 02:51 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Houstons best hope is if the Big12 decides to expand by two teams without a conference network. Kinda the opposite of Colorado St.

My guess is they do nothing substantial at the upcoming meeting. But ...

If I had a vote, and no P5 teams were on the table and BYU was not ready/willing/able for whatever reason, I'd go for CSU and either NM or Tulane since Cincy is apparently not acceptable to UT at this time.

If only two are added, expect them to go in the North; like in the past, the current TX and OK teams will be the South unless any of them would prefer to be in the North.

(05-24-2016 02:51 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Houstons best hope is if the Big12 decides to expand by two teams without a conference network. Kinda the opposite of Colorado St.

I would say that a big 12 starting a network, with LHN still in tow, is the scenario in which Houston becomes most valuable to the Big 12

Completely brainstorming, no sources here, but I wonder if adding four schools becomes a compromise option. Two of UConn/Cincy/Memphis, and two of Colorado State/Houston/BYU. Or all three UConn/Cincy/Memphis and one of the western schools.

Texas/Tech/Baylor/TCU/OK/OK State/BYU
Iowa State/Kansas/KSU/West VA/Memphis/UConn/Cincy

Yes, no matter how you slice it, the "north" division is is weak in football strong in basketball.

I have also read rumors that talk about a decision to go one direction and not the other. I.e UConn or BYU but not both as that seems too far a stretch for a conference. if that is the case, I would think you have to go east. Houston/UConn/Cincy/Memphis could work in that scenario.

I feel like going four instead of two just multiplies the value especially if the right schools are picked (I have no horse in the race for right schools. Each can make a decent case.)

Anyone have access to the top 2015 college football ratings in DFW and San Antonio? What about Memphis, Cincinnati, Salt Lake City, Denver, Orlando, Tampa, and New York City?

Wouldn't such information be as or nearly important as the Houston market information?

If Houston can ramp up the TV negotiations, then it's a no brainer. Probably wishful thinking though. It would just be adding dead weight. They need an on campus stadium for one. Not sure if that is forthcoming. Might as well add them if it's going to add near term stability and consolidate the Texas market. AAC easily back fills with Rice and a UC replacement. My guess would be Ohio.

Texas will be a factor in Houston once they start winning again. You can't rely on TCU and Baylor to carry the conference in a place like Houston. Also, it helps UH had a great season all the way to their Peach Bowl victory. A fan base should be judged how supportive or interested they are of their team during mediocre or losing seasons. Just look at BYU and East Carolina as an example.

(05-24-2016 06:45 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  If Houston can ramp up the TV negotiations, then it's a no brainer. Probably wishful thinking though. It would just be adding dead weight. They need an on campus stadium for one. Not sure if that is forthcoming. Might as well add them if it's going to add near term stability and consolidate the Texas market. AAC easily back fills with Rice and a UC replacement. My guess would be Ohio.

Houston built a new on campus stadium two years ago to replace the old on campus stadium.

(05-24-2016 07:01 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:45 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Houston needs an on campus stadium for one. Not sure if that is forthcoming.

Houston built a new on campus stadium two years ago to replace the old on campus stadium.

$128M
40K seats
42,159 stadium record crowd

(05-24-2016 08:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 07:01 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:45 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Houston needs an on campus stadium for one. Not sure if that is forthcoming.

Houston built a new on campus stadium two years ago to replace the old on campus stadium.

$128M
40K seats
42,159 stadium record crowd

I also believe that if more seats are needed to meet P5 requirements, they can add up to 60,000.

(05-24-2016 09:03 PM)BattleCougarRed_88 Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 08:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 07:01 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:45 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Houston needs an on campus stadium for one. Not sure if that is forthcoming.

Houston built a new on campus stadium two years ago to replace the old on campus stadium.

$128M
40K seats
42,159 stadium record crowd

I also believe that if more seats are needed to meet P5 requirements, they can add up to 60,000.

Still the fourth largest football stadium within six miles.

I figured High School games draw 15-20K for some big games if not more. But if they can consistently draw 40K then it's a possibility. They cannot do that in the AAC though.

I don't know. Between Memphis and Houston, it's a coin flip. My pick is still UConn, which is a peg ahead of both. That's my North East/old Big East bias, but it's the clear choice for 12.

(05-25-2016 01:29 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I figured High School games draw 15-20K for some big games if not more. But if they can consistently draw 40K then it's a possibility. They cannot do that in the AAC though.

I don't know. Between Memphis and Houston, it's a coin flip. My pick is still UConn, which is a peg ahead of both. That's my North East/old Big East bias, but it's the clear choice for 12.

If it wasn't for the little fact that they are even further away from WVU, thus not eliminating the island problem within the conference, then yes I do agree the Huskies make a perfect choice.

I can see Cinci going.

But without the Cows not buying, no expansion.

(05-24-2016 10:04 AM)YNot Wrote:  How would those rankings look if you add Big 12 matchups of Houston v. Oklahoma; Houston v. Texas; Houston v. Baylor; Houston v. TCU; and Houston v. Oklahoma St. to the list?

My hunch is that the Big 12 would command at least 5 of the top-10 matchups and 10 of the top-20.

Expand with Houston and Cincinnati in the EAST division and BYU and Colorado St. in the WEST division. Keeps the Big 12 conference Texas-centric with travel pair branches in both directions.

EAST: WVU, Cincinnati, Iowa St., Kansas, Kansas St., TCU, Houston
WEST: BYU, Colorado St., Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor

Keeps everyone playing in Texas at least once per year and keeps most rivalries together. Stack the schedule so that BYU and CSU play Cincinnati and Houston cross-division for the first two years to allow cross-division legacy members to play each other.

To make the $$ work, have the four new members share the TV contract increase (built-in for two teams) through the end of the TV contract. That's still a nice increase for the new members' revenue. Also have the new members contribute two games to the new Big 12 TV network (rather than one), to provide additional content to offset Texas. That would give the B12N seventeen games of regular season football inventory.

The legacy members see a nice bump in revenue via the B12N share and the new CCG.

With Cincy and WVU in the East timezone and BYU and CSU in the Mountain timezone, FOX and ESPN now have options - if they want - to add more 12pm ET and 10pm ET Big 12 kickoffs to create additional value to justify the increase of the media deal payout.

Y

Assuming Fox and ESPN agree to the same per capita increase for 14 teams that they are under contract for 12 teams, I can't say your idea doesn't work.

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(05-25-2016 01:43 PM)BattleCougarRed_88 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:29 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I figured High School games draw 15-20K for some big games if not more. But if they can consistently draw 40K then it's a possibility. They cannot do that in the AAC though.

I don't know. Between Memphis and Houston, it's a coin flip. My pick is still UConn, which is a peg ahead of both. That's my North East/old Big East bias, but it's the clear choice for 12.

If it wasn't for the little fact that they are even further away from WVU, thus not eliminating the island problem within the conference, then yes I do agree the Huskies make a perfect choice.

I can see Cinci going.

But without the Cows not buying, no expansion.

ISU is technically on its own island without a travel partner; they aren't even contiguous with the rest of the conference looking at the map. There is no way you can bridge a super regional conference as it stands. Memphis would add more islands, and its not a top market. Islands will always exist in this power conference era.

Take the value play. Yes, Memphis has football upside. UConn does not. But the Bball value is there and there are some opportunities to use them as leverage for ESPN. You know ESPN is going to want to fill some Bball slots in prime time during the season. They over payed for the AAC and will look to low ball them if the two top schools leave for the Big 12.

The Huskies nicely round out a centralized 12 team conference as an outlier. Once OU and KU leave, you poach the rest of the AAC East.