(05-23-2016 11:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:59 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Man, this thread hits all the sweet spots of this board.

UConn fan getting butthurt that someone didn't immediately recognize UConn's superiority and hyping it's market AND a prediction about the BigXII raiding the ACC. All started by rumors coming out of West Virginia. This one thread right here is CSNBBS Conference Realignment Board in a nutshell!

Right. Almost every thread here is like this, regardless of the topic of the OP.

^^^^
Exactly this Triple A...

Still don't understand why Temple gets hardly mentioned.

The Big 14

West: TX, TX Tech, TCU, Baylor, BYU, OK State, OK,

East: K State, KU, Iowa State, WVU, Cincy, Temple, UConn

If that is too heavy in the West for you then swap OK and Kansas.

The Big 12 Network just added Philadelphia, New York City area, Cincy and the Mormon Church. Travel partners; WVU & Cincy, Temple & UConn, and have Iowa State and BYU tough it out.

(05-22-2016 10:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  From the WV Gazette, this is the antithesis to the "...there's a 15% chance of expansion" article.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...wJOso.dpuf

EXCERPT:

...when the league’s presidents and chancellors next meet in Irving, Texas, expect a decision to be reached.

It just might be a decision to make a decision.

“You don’t want to string people along,” said one involved, who asked to remain anonymous. “People get annoyed if you do that.”

In speaking with those directly involved with the process, two things are clear. One, the league won’t be rushed into a decision, but probably will make a call in the middle of the summer.

Two, there’s no question the league is still moving in the direction of expansion. Cautiously.

According to the sources, some in the Big 12 office like the prospect of bringing in Cincinnati and Houston, although those touting the latter have almost given up.

There is also “some sentiment” to bring in Memphis.

“At the end of the day though,” said one source, “I still think Connecticut gets in.”

Another source said not to leave out BYU, that the Cougars remain a strong candidate.

*********

So, there you go. You don't want expansion? There are plenty of links out there for you. Want expansion? There are still some of those, too.

My question for West Virginia. When do the travel costs to Kansas and Texas wear thin for non revenue sports and the Big 12 odyssey ends.

(05-23-2016 11:29 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 10:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  From the WV Gazette, this is the antithesis to the "...there's a 15% chance of expansion" article.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...wJOso.dpuf

EXCERPT:

...when the league’s presidents and chancellors next meet in Irving, Texas, expect a decision to be reached.

It just might be a decision to make a decision.

“You don’t want to string people along,” said one involved, who asked to remain anonymous. “People get annoyed if you do that.”

In speaking with those directly involved with the process, two things are clear. One, the league won’t be rushed into a decision, but probably will make a call in the middle of the summer.

Two, there’s no question the league is still moving in the direction of expansion. Cautiously.

According to the sources, some in the Big 12 office like the prospect of bringing in Cincinnati and Houston, although those touting the latter have almost given up.

There is also “some sentiment” to bring in Memphis.

“At the end of the day though,” said one source, “I still think Connecticut gets in.”

Another source said not to leave out BYU, that the Cougars remain a strong candidate.

*********

So, there you go. You don't want expansion? There are plenty of links out there for you. Want expansion? There are still some of those, too.

My question for West Virginia. When do the travel costs to Kansas and Texas wear thin for non revenue sports and the Big 12 odyssey ends.

Whenever they get invited to another P5 conference not named Pac 12.

(05-23-2016 11:29 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  Still don't understand why Temple gets hardly mentioned.

The Big 14

West: TX, TX Tech, TCU, Baylor, BYU, OK State, OK,

East: K State, KU, Iowa State, WVU, Cincy, Temple, UConn

If that is too heavy in the West for you then swap OK and Kansas.

The Big 12 Network just added Philadelphia, New York City area, Cincy and the Mormon Church. Travel partners; WVU & Cincy, Temple & UConn, and have Iowa State and BYU tough it out.

Even better - add Colorado St., Cincy, Temple, and UConn for all sports. Then, affiliate with Air Force, Navy, Army, BYU, Boise St., San Diego St., and Hawaii for two annual football games (that are controlled by the Big 12) - mainly to expand the Big 12 network.

Big 12 Network owns Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas and adds Philly, Washington, DC, Hartford, Denver, and Cincinnati markets, plus access to NYC and West Coast content.

The legacy Big 12 footprint is expanded contiguously - with CSU - and the Eastern branch makes sense geographically with UConn-Temple-WVU-Cincinnati.

The Big 12 media partners and the Big 12 Network can show Coast-to-Coast programming from 12pm ET to 10pm ET (or later). Plus, it can take advantage of the Week 0 Hawaii exemption for an additional week of programming.

With 7 affiliates, the fourteen Big 12 schools each only play ONE affiliate per year in OOC. Though the Eastern affiliates may decide to play Army and Navy more often, if possible, and CSU may choose to play Air Force and others western affiliates more frequently OOC.

The affiliates each make football independence work with two Big 12 games (one at home) and a half-share each of Big 12 NETWORK revenue. They can also schedule up to 6 games amongst each other, as desired, and sell the rest of their content (ie, 5-6 home football games and Olympic sports) on the market - ie, BYU and Boise St. with ESPN, Army/Navy/Air Force with CBS, etc.

At the next NY6 cycle, the Big 12 adds the Cotton Bowl to its bowl lineup, as well as the Holiday (v. PAC), Military (v. ACC), Armed Forces (v. B1G), Las Vegas (v. PAC), and Hawaii (v. MWC/AAC/CUSA) bowls. The affiliates are available for selection to all Big 12 bowl games - including the Cotton Bowl - but not the Sugar Bowl, which is still reserved for the Big 12 champion. Though, in practice, the top Big 12 bowls are mostly filled with Big 12 schools.

Army and Navy keep their Olympic sports in the Patriot League. Air Force, BYU, Hawaii, Boise St., and San Diego St. join forces with Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and Pepperdine and later UNLV and New Mexico to form a new western Olympic sports conference. (UNLV and New Mexico go independent in football, but not as part of Big 12 affiliation). Olympic sports travel partners for this new conference are:

SDSU-Pepperdine, Hawaii-St. Mary's, Gonzaga-Boise St., BYU-UNLV, Air Force-New Mexico

If there is expansion, it will only be two schools. Think about it: a conference hesitant on the issue isn't going to bring in four or six schools. Use your logic people!

(05-23-2016 12:31 PM)esayem Wrote:  If there is expansion, it will only be two schools. Think about it: a conference hesitant on the issue isn't going to bring in four or six schools. Use your logic people!

We're talking about the Big 12, Logic doesn't apply.

(05-23-2016 12:31 PM)esayem Wrote:  If there is expansion, it will only be two schools. Think about it: a conference hesitant on the issue isn't going to bring in four or six schools. Use your logic people!

Agreed but your applying logic to a conference that is in serious denial and suffering from a lack there of.......

UT>Logic this is the B12 formula..........

Doesn't matter what the outcome is, the big12 is a walking dead conference.

(05-23-2016 08:18 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  This is a WV writer who would seemingly have no reason to pump up UConn's prospects. I'll take what he is saying as fairly reliable and an indication that the networks are making it clear that the only way a B12 Network is viable with the available expansion candidates is by including UConn. I think from a network perspective, UConn is head and shoulders the best candidate. We have valuable tier 3 content that gets eyeballs in the number 1 media market. No other candidate does.

WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

(05-23-2016 11:29 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  Still don't understand why Temple gets hardly mentioned.

The Big 14

West: TX, TX Tech, TCU, Baylor, BYU, OK State, OK,

East: K State, KU, Iowa State, WVU, Cincy, Temple, UConn

If that is too heavy in the West for you then swap OK and Kansas.

The Big 12 Network just added Philadelphia, New York City area, Cincy and the Mormon Church. Travel partners; WVU & Cincy, Temple & UConn, and have Iowa State and BYU tough it out.

I think you want imbalanced divisions for Bball and Olympic scheduling, plus it's less likely to lend itself to an upset in the CCG, and you'll have balanced, competitive play.

Don't think BYU gets in though. Adding CSU doesn't make sense either. If they are going that far east and 14 schools, take Memphis, put ISU west.

I don't think imbalance is hurting the B1G either. It makes those West games really pivotal and garners interest. Nobody would have watched Iowa/Nebraska last year unless CCG implications existed.

(05-23-2016 01:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:18 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  This is a WV writer who would seemingly have no reason to pump up UConn's prospects. I'll take what he is saying as fairly reliable and an indication that the networks are making it clear that the only way a B12 Network is viable with the available expansion candidates is by including UConn. I think from a network perspective, UConn is head and shoulders the best candidate. We have valuable tier 3 content that gets eyeballs in the number 1 media market. No other candidate does.

WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:18 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  This is a WV writer who would seemingly have no reason to pump up UConn's prospects. I'll take what he is saying as fairly reliable and an indication that the networks are making it clear that the only way a B12 Network is viable with the available expansion candidates is by including UConn. I think from a network perspective, UConn is head and shoulders the best candidate. We have valuable tier 3 content that gets eyeballs in the number 1 media market. No other candidate does.

WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:18 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  This is a WV writer who would seemingly have no reason to pump up UConn's prospects. I'll take what he is saying as fairly reliable and an indication that the networks are making it clear that the only way a B12 Network is viable with the available expansion candidates is by including UConn. I think from a network perspective, UConn is head and shoulders the best candidate. We have valuable tier 3 content that gets eyeballs in the number 1 media market. No other candidate does.

WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

(05-23-2016 09:52 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 09:27 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I’ve been following the media roller coaster on this and I guess it leaves me with a question. People out there (the ones with inside information who are very close to their athletic departments) are positioning this as a done deal for school A and school B, and I’m not doubting at all they are hearing this from their people in the know. However if that’s the case, what advantage is there for the Big12 not to just make the announcement now? With the stories about the Oklahoma president in favor of expansion than backing away from his words, the BOR member at Oklahoma saying no expansion candidates move the needle, with all the talk about Texas influencing expansion votes with TCU and Texas Tech and the whole LHN twist what is the Big12 gaining by waiting and further deepening the perception of indecision, infighting between members and their administrations, and instability? To me it seems like the longer they wait to make an announcement the more questions they will have to answer in the media once they do.

It is foolish for anyone in the Big 12 to say anything in public that degrades any possible candidates or makes them appear unworthy of a Big 12 invite; they should be doing the exact opposite. What happens when those unworthy candidates become new members? Hard to unring that bell.

The Big 12 should expand up to 16, but two at a time.

Start with Cincinnati and BYU - to get the conference TV network started and with the two that are most ready to compete in football and still hold a chance to be competitive in basketball. Start in the 2018 season. Place BYU in NORTH division with Iowa St. and Kansas and Oklahoma schools and stack the schedule to maintain the OU-UT annual matchup and so that the other NORTH schools play as many of the four Texas schools as possible. BYU plays Cincinnati and WVU in cross-division play the first two years.

Then, around 2019-2020, with the up-and-running TV network, try to raid the ACC for Florida State and three others. If that's not possible, invite UConn and one other, depending on needs for the conference TV network expansion and distribution and whoever ESPN and FOX deem the most worthy.

Then, for the 2022 season, invite the USF and UCF tandem to get a foot in Florida for the TV network and recruiting.

The ACC has a GOR through 2026. That precludes a raid in 2019-2020. The ACC and SEC are ESPN's most valuable properties. I seriously doubt they will stand by and allow that control to be lessened by a raid from a conference that is half ESPN and half Fox.

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:18 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  This is a WV writer who would seemingly have no reason to pump up UConn's prospects. I'll take what he is saying as fairly reliable and an indication that the networks are making it clear that the only way a B12 Network is viable with the available expansion candidates is by including UConn. I think from a network perspective, UConn is head and shoulders the best candidate. We have valuable tier 3 content that gets eyeballs in the number 1 media market. No other candidate does.

WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Posts like this is why UConn fans are so routinely mocked around here.

(05-23-2016 04:46 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Posts like this is why UConn fans are so routinely mocked around here.

IDGAF. I'm not one of the sensitive ones. I just give my opinion. You give yours. Who cares?

(05-23-2016 12:27 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 10:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 10:10 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Interesting.

It suddenly seems Uconn and Cincy are coming up a lot as a possible pair.

No wonder the Houston guy is pissed

I think [insert the team i oppose here] is a media creation. I think it's Cincy and [insert the team i support here). And probably 2 more, from [insert teams frequently brought up but not yet listed here). Maybe even [insert dark horse candidate here], somehow, but only at 14, not at 12.

FTFY. Now anyone else can use the cookie cutter post!

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Short of FOIA requests revealing contact points, pretty much spot on. With so many conflicting reports floating around, some members of the media are bound to be wrong...though they'll likely never admit it.

(05-23-2016 04:46 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Posts like this is why UConn fans are so routinely mocked around here.

I don't believe that the Husky fan's statement were meant to be inflammatory. You notice, he did say "at this point." To me, it seems he feels the B12 reflects their best chances of getting into a P5 league, while we all know the Acc is not expanding now. His statement makes me think he and other Husky fans have given up on the ACC, which until now was their best chance of landing in a P5.

(05-23-2016 05:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 04:46 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Posts like this is why UConn fans are so routinely mocked around here.

I don't believe that the Husky fan's statement were meant to be inflammatory. You notice, he did say "at this point." To me, it seems he feels the B12 reflects their best chances of getting into a P5 league, while we all know the Acc is not expanding now. His statement makes me think he and other Husky fans have given up on the ACC, which until now was their best chance of landing in a P5.

No, I said if we get into a P5, I'd prefer it to be one with a conference network. That's literally it. If we can get into the ACC and they can get a network, great. If we can get into the B12 and they get one, that's great too. If we can get into the B12 and they get a network and the ACC doesn't for right now, that's the win that would make many of us very happy.