(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:18 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  This is a WV writer who would seemingly have no reason to pump up UConn's prospects. I'll take what he is saying as fairly reliable and an indication that the networks are making it clear that the only way a B12 Network is viable with the available expansion candidates is by including UConn. I think from a network perspective, UConn is head and shoulders the best candidate. We have valuable tier 3 content that gets eyeballs in the number 1 media market. No other candidate does.

WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

It seems very uncertain to me that Texas will either vote for expansion and give up the LHN for a Big 12 network. I guess we all will know soon.

(05-23-2016 05:37 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 05:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 04:46 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Posts like this is why UConn fans are so routinely mocked around here.

I don't believe that the Husky fan's statement were meant to be inflammatory. You notice, he did say "at this point." To me, it seems he feels the B12 reflects their best chances of getting into a P5 league, while we all know the Acc is not expanding now. His statement makes me think he and other Husky fans have given up on the ACC, which until now was their best chance of landing in a P5.

No, I said if we get into a P5, I'd prefer it to be one with a conference network. That's literally it. If we can get into the ACC and they can get a network, great. If we can get into the B12 and they get one, that's great too. If we can get into the B12 and they get a network and the ACC doesn't for right now, that's the win that would make many of us very happy.

Well, then that will be the ACC based on the few tidbits that they did release. I'm positive that the bigmouths down at Clemson and FSU would be lamenting how they need to look at other options if they didn't feel that the ACCN was coming. As one reporter said at the ACC meetings, its coming sooner than folks think. Theres much more unity in the ACC and the schools there like being together. There is no Texas there that holds the league under a barrel with its own network and dominating influence.

The best outcome: 14 with BYU/CSU and MEM/CINCY. It still "looks" like a conference. I doubt they go 14 though

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Remember, beggars can't be choosers.

(05-23-2016 05:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Remember, beggars can't be choosers.

Anyone can have a preference. You're right though that obviously UConn will take any P5 slot available.

This is who I would go for for tv ratings.

1.Boise State, they have been known as the Giant Slayer, so why not bring them in to the P5? They show that they can draw a huge tv audience for a small market team. They show much better than several of the top teams in the AAC.

2.Cincinnati brings in a school that should have been in one of the P5 conferences a long time ago.

3.Memphis is a major name that people recognize. To a lot of people, they are a major power school not in an P5 conference.

4.East Carolina, a long history in FBS, and is one of the most powerful football school in the state of North Carolina. Have been having better W/L records in the past 10 years in the state.

5.UCF is a newbie, but is number 2 in student body out of the whole D1. They bring something more to the market for the Big 12.

6.USF have been a power conference member, but lost it. USF have been flirting the top 10 in student count.

7.Old Dominion is the newbie on the block, but they have been known for their good athletic department.

8.Colorado State is up and down in football.

9.New Mexico brings in a new state.

Not gonna happen right now.

UConn. because they do not fit the Big 12 geography, and their fan support for football sucks.

BYU is going through a Baylor type scandal right now with the school expelling female students who were raped.

San Diego State, yes California market is great, but too far west.

Houston would be one too many mouths to feed in Texas.

Temple dropping sports is not a good sign to get noticed.

Tulane, not gonna happen since the city is refusing them to build a new stadium.

Tulsa, one too many mouths to feed in Oklahoma.

(05-23-2016 05:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  WV is about the only place you hear uconn mentioned seriously. They are the only ones wi 1000 miles

Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

It seems very uncertain to me that Texas will either vote for expansion and give up the LHN for a Big 12 network. I guess we all will know soon.

They have been very close mouthed this time around, but they haven't said no. The only way they "give up" the LHN is to get every penny owed them for the entire contract, plus a share of any new B12N.

Boren gets that. So does everybody else. The issue is whether enough money can be generated to pay everybody more, and then it becomes an issue of disentangling all the existing Tier 3 contracts.

I agree we'll have a better idea publicly of what is up, by the meeting next week, or at least within a week or so after.

(05-23-2016 06:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is who I would go for for tv ratings.

1.Boise State, they have been known as the Giant Slayer, so why not bring them in to the P5? They show that they can draw a huge tv audience for a small market team. They show much better than several of the top teams in the AAC.

2.Cincinnati brings in a school that should have been in one of the P5 conferences a long time ago.

3.Memphis is a major name that people recognize. To a lot of people, they are a major power school not in an P5 conference.

4.East Carolina, a long history in FBS, and is one of the most powerful football school in the state of North Carolina. Have been having better W/L records in the past 10 years in the state.

5.UCF is a newbie, but is number 2 in student body out of the whole D1. They bring something more to the market for the Big 12.

6.USF have been a power conference member, but lost it. USF have been flirting the top 10 in student count.

7.Old Dominion is the newbie on the block, but they have been known for their good athletic department.

8.Colorado State is up and down in football.

9.New Mexico brings in a new state.

Not gonna happen right now.

UConn. because they do not fit the Big 12 geography, and their fan support for football sucks.

BYU is going through a Baylor type scandal right now with the school expelling female students who were raped.

San Diego State, yes California market is great, but too far west.

Houston would be one too many mouths to feed in Texas.

Temple dropping sports is not a good sign to get noticed.

Tulane, not gonna happen since the city is refusing them to build a new stadium.

Tulsa, one too many mouths to feed in Oklahoma.

1,3,4,7, and 9 not going to make the cut. UConn, BYU, Houston definitely on the list.

(05-23-2016 05:43 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  The best outcome: 14 with BYU/CSU and MEM/CINCY. It still "looks" like a conference. I doubt they go 14 though

The only justification for 14 is with a B12N, IMO. Going to 12 is supported by their existing contract, other than bowl shares and NCAA credits. But 14 is a no go w/o a network.

I think that's the hard part.

(05-23-2016 06:16 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 06:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is who I would go for for tv ratings.

1.Boise State, they have been known as the Giant Slayer, so why not bring them in to the P5? They show that they can draw a huge tv audience for a small market team. They show much better than several of the top teams in the AAC.

2.Cincinnati brings in a school that should have been in one of the P5 conferences a long time ago.

3.Memphis is a major name that people recognize. To a lot of people, they are a major power school not in an P5 conference.

4.East Carolina, a long history in FBS, and is one of the most powerful football school in the state of North Carolina. Have been having better W/L records in the past 10 years in the state.

5.UCF is a newbie, but is number 2 in student body out of the whole D1. They bring something more to the market for the Big 12.

6.USF have been a power conference member, but lost it. USF have been flirting the top 10 in student count.

7.Old Dominion is the newbie on the block, but they have been known for their good athletic department.

8.Colorado State is up and down in football.

9.New Mexico brings in a new state.

Not gonna happen right now.

UConn. because they do not fit the Big 12 geography, and their fan support for football sucks.

BYU is going through a Baylor type scandal right now with the school expelling female students who were raped.

San Diego State, yes California market is great, but too far west.

Houston would be one too many mouths to feed in Texas.

Temple dropping sports is not a good sign to get noticed.

Tulane, not gonna happen since the city is refusing them to build a new stadium.

Tulsa, one too many mouths to feed in Oklahoma.

1,3,4,7, and 9 not going to make the cut. UConn, BYU, Houston definitely on the list.

UConn=terrible tv ratings and no fan support which discounts them to be ever a P5 school.

BYU=bad people who blames the victims of rape, and the not the rapists.

Houston=tv market in Houston behind Texas and Texas A&M in the city.

All three are bad fit right now. They bring nothing to the table anymore.

(05-23-2016 06:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 06:16 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 06:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is who I would go for for tv ratings.

1.Boise State, they have been known as the Giant Slayer, so why not bring them in to the P5? They show that they can draw a huge tv audience for a small market team. They show much better than several of the top teams in the AAC.

2.Cincinnati brings in a school that should have been in one of the P5 conferences a long time ago.

3.Memphis is a major name that people recognize. To a lot of people, they are a major power school not in an P5 conference.

4.East Carolina, a long history in FBS, and is one of the most powerful football school in the state of North Carolina. Have been having better W/L records in the past 10 years in the state.

5.UCF is a newbie, but is number 2 in student body out of the whole D1. They bring something more to the market for the Big 12.

6.USF have been a power conference member, but lost it. USF have been flirting the top 10 in student count.

7.Old Dominion is the newbie on the block, but they have been known for their good athletic department.

8.Colorado State is up and down in football.

9.New Mexico brings in a new state.

Not gonna happen right now.

UConn. because they do not fit the Big 12 geography, and their fan support for football sucks.

BYU is going through a Baylor type scandal right now with the school expelling female students who were raped.

San Diego State, yes California market is great, but too far west.

Houston would be one too many mouths to feed in Texas.

Temple dropping sports is not a good sign to get noticed.

Tulane, not gonna happen since the city is refusing them to build a new stadium.

Tulsa, one too many mouths to feed in Oklahoma.

1,3,4,7, and 9 not going to make the cut. UConn, BYU, Houston definitely on the list.

UConn=terrible tv ratings and no fan support which discounts them to be ever a P5 school.

BYU=bad people who blames the victims of rape, and the not the rapists.

Houston=tv market in Houston behind Texas and Texas A&M in the city.

All three are bad fit right now. They bring nothing to the table anymore.

Seems like you know considerably more than everyone else on the innerwebz. Personally I would love it if you were right.

Memphis is a major power? In what sense? ECU may have had better W/L records in the last decade, however that might have to do with the fact they were in C-USA compared to UNC/NC St/etc playing in the ACC

Did he REALLY just suggest Old Dominion to the BigXII and tried to say it made more sense than Memphis, UConn, etc?

(05-23-2016 06:25 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Memphis is a major power? In what sense? ECU may have had better W/L records in the last decade, however that might have to do with the fact they were in C-USA compared to UNC/NC St/etc playing in the ACC

Agreed. Memphis is a joke. Worst academic ranking on the planet. ECU draws well but never achieves anything.

(05-23-2016 06:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is who I would go for for tv ratings.

1.Boise State, they have been known as the Giant Slayer, so why not bring them in to the P5? They show that they can draw a huge tv audience for a small market team. They show much better than several of the top teams in the AAC.

2.Cincinnati brings in a school that should have been in one of the P5 conferences a long time ago.

3.Memphis is a major name that people recognize. To a lot of people, they are a major power school not in an P5 conference.

4.East Carolina, a long history in FBS, and is one of the most powerful football school in the state of North Carolina. Have been having better W/L records in the past 10 years in the state.

5.UCF is a newbie, but is number 2 in student body out of the whole D1. They bring something more to the market for the Big 12.

6.USF have been a power conference member, but lost it. USF have been flirting the top 10 in student count.

7.Old Dominion is the newbie on the block, but they have been known for their good athletic department.

8.Colorado State is up and down in football.

9.New Mexico brings in a new state.

Not gonna happen right now.

UConn. because they do not fit the Big 12 geography, and their fan support for football sucks.

BYU is going through a Baylor type scandal right now with the school expelling female students who were raped.

San Diego State, yes California market is great, but too far west.

Houston would be one too many mouths to feed in Texas.

Temple dropping sports is not a good sign to get noticed.

Tulane, not gonna happen since the city is refusing them to build a new stadium.

Tulsa, one too many mouths to feed in Oklahoma.

1.Boise Nothing of value except FB. 1% chance.
2. Cincy Decent FB a bridge to nowhere.. ie WV. decent market, decent BB.75% chance.
3. Memphis Ok market, Ok football, good FB last year, have been good in BB until recently. 20% chance.

4.ECU Small Market, good fan base, horrid BB, 2% chance.
5. UCF good market, Big school, young school, decent fans bad BB. 20% chance
6. USF mirror ucf, a notch below right now..15% chance
7 & 9 0% chance..
8. Col State, Flavor of the day new stadium, couple of good years FB. 10%

Only other teams to list are UCONN ans UH, both have very real location problems and very good markets. 12%

BYU, Houston and UConn = 0% chance of getting into the Big 12.

(05-23-2016 06:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 05:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 02:43 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman and John E. Hoover formerly of The Tulsa World have both said that UConn is high on the list. There was an article out of Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning news that also said that UConn was one of the favorites a few weeks ago. I think the value of UConn's tier 3 content to a conference network is pretty self evident. We just have to wait and see what, if anything, happens.

UConn has something like 20 sports, I simply cannot imagine the added money and time it will take to constantly travel south for all those teams. I guess it's worth the extra $ but I almost feel like they should consider (gasp) holding out for an ACC invite. UConn slides in perfectly to the ACC.

I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

It seems very uncertain to me that Texas will either vote for expansion and give up the LHN for a Big 12 network. I guess we all will know soon.

They have been very close mouthed this time around, but they haven't said no. The only way they "give up" the LHN is to get every penny owed them for the entire contract, plus a share of any new B12N.

Boren gets that. So does everybody else. The issue is whether enough money can be generated to pay everybody more, and then it becomes an issue of disentangling all the existing Tier 3 contracts.

The problem is, the answer is almost certainly "no", and that's because Texas really is about half the value of the Big 12.

Big 12 value is basically Texas 50%, Oklahoma 30%, the other 8 schools 20%. So if you pay Texas what they get for the LHN, there really isn't anything left for the others.

It's like the old Big 8 conference 40 years ago: the joke was it should have been called the "Big Two and Little Six", where the two were Oklahoma and Nebraska.

(05-23-2016 06:34 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 06:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is who I would go for for tv ratings.

1.Boise State, they have been known as the Giant Slayer, so why not bring them in to the P5? They show that they can draw a huge tv audience for a small market team. They show much better than several of the top teams in the AAC.

2.Cincinnati brings in a school that should have been in one of the P5 conferences a long time ago.

3.Memphis is a major name that people recognize. To a lot of people, they are a major power school not in an P5 conference.

4.East Carolina, a long history in FBS, and is one of the most powerful football school in the state of North Carolina. Have been having better W/L records in the past 10 years in the state.

5.UCF is a newbie, but is number 2 in student body out of the whole D1. They bring something more to the market for the Big 12.

6.USF have been a power conference member, but lost it. USF have been flirting the top 10 in student count.

7.Old Dominion is the newbie on the block, but they have been known for their good athletic department.

8.Colorado State is up and down in football.

9.New Mexico brings in a new state.

Not gonna happen right now.

UConn. because they do not fit the Big 12 geography, and their fan support for football sucks.

BYU is going through a Baylor type scandal right now with the school expelling female students who were raped.

San Diego State, yes California market is great, but too far west.

Houston would be one too many mouths to feed in Texas.

Temple dropping sports is not a good sign to get noticed.

Tulane, not gonna happen since the city is refusing them to build a new stadium.

Tulsa, one too many mouths to feed in Oklahoma.

1.Boise Nothing of value except FB. 1% chance.
2. Cincy Decent FB a bridge to nowhere.. ie WV. decent market, decent BB.75% chance.
3. Memphis Ok market, Ok football, good FB last year, have been good in BB until recently. 20% chance.

4.ECU Small Market, good fan base, horrid BB, 2% chance.
5. UCF good market, Big school, young school, decent fans bad BB. 20% chance
6. USF mirror ucf, a notch below right now..15% chance
7 & 9 0% chance..
8. Col State, Flavor of the day new stadium, couple of good years FB. 10%

Only other teams to list are UCONN ans UH, both have very real location problems and very good markets. 12%

So Cincy goes in alone?

(05-23-2016 06:04 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 05:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Remember, beggars can't be choosers.

Anyone can have a preference. You're right though that obviously UConn will take any P5 slot available.

We all will.

(05-23-2016 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 06:04 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 05:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 03:34 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I and many UConn fans would prefer the B12 at this point. It's not much different than travel in the AAC honestly and I really want UConn in a conference with a conference network, if possible. So if UConn helps get them the network and the ACC isn't getting one in the near term, I definitely pick the B12.

Remember, beggars can't be choosers.

Anyone can have a preference. You're right though that obviously UConn will take any P5 slot available.

We all will.

The one thing we all agree on.