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(05-23-2016 07:17 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  

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(05-23-2016 06:20 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  Basketball has had decades to produce. They can't get it done. Time to focus on the health of football. It's our meal ticket. We should've take the Mitchum money & put it toward a new stadium.

Basketball is ODU's marquee sport.

We're getting a stadium, extended weight room and a basketball training facility. ODU is focusing on both.

I agree that football should have the resources needed to compete. That's why I advocate the removal of wrestling from the athletic budget. I don't think I'm alone here.

Basketball is no longer the marquee sport. That angers many of you old timers. I get it. But football is where our future lies now. Time to jump on the train or stand at the station. Besides, if basketball is our best sport, we might as well give up on athletics altogether...

Football has no future other than remaining a fun, local event in the fall. We'll never be able to compete with the big boys. Best we can hope for is a mid-level bowl as a member of the AAC and maybe a fluke year where we sniff a ranking like WKU last year. That is the ceiling. Just not enough parity. Basketball is the means to build a national profile. It can be done in the AAC or the A10.

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(05-23-2016 06:49 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  ODU FB going independent or FCS is a dumb idea and will make the ODU administration look like they don't have a clue as to what they're doing. A-10 is a no go.

Companies don't continue to support a failed decision just so that they can pretend to know what they're doing. They stop the bleeding.

A lot has changed since ODU's celebrated announcement to CUSA. ECU's departure, revenue not realized, COA's and student fee reduction added to the cost of having a fractured athletic program with teams in 5 different conferences. One could argue that going to CUSA was a dumb idea.

The A10 scenario would only be realized if UMASS leaves for the AAC, ODU is snubbed and the A10 actually has an interest in ODU as a replacement.

Again, accepting an actual A10 invitation handed to ODU by Commissioner McGlade, would reign in runaway costs by shelving a multi million dollar stadium project, moving football to a manageable division and conference with regional rivals and bring in all olympic sports under one roof except for sailing and wrestling. I really don't need to mention what this does for ODU basketball.

An AAC invite would be nice and would improve ODU's position in football and basketball. However ODU will still have to absorb the cost of having its athletic teams spread out all over the place.

(05-23-2016 07:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 07:17 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 07:03 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 06:20 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  Basketball has had decades to produce. They can't get it done. Time to focus on the health of football. It's our meal ticket. We should've take the Mitchum money & put it toward a new stadium.

Basketball is ODU's marquee sport.

We're getting a stadium, extended weight room and a basketball training facility. ODU is focusing on both.

I agree that football should have the resources needed to compete. That's why I advocate the removal of wrestling from the athletic budget. I don't think I'm alone here.

Basketball is no longer the marquee sport. That angers many of you old timers. I get it. But football is where our future lies now. Time to jump on the train or stand at the station. Besides, if basketball is our best sport, we might as well give up on athletics altogether...

Football has no future other than remaining a fun, local event in the fall. We'll never be able to compete with the big boys. Best we can hope for is a mid-level bowl as a member of the AAC and maybe a fluke year where we sniff a ranking like WKU last year. That is the ceiling. Just not enough parity. Basketball is the means to build a national profile. It can be done in the AAC or the A10.

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Basketball has been the means to build a national profile for decades. You don't need a power conference affiliation to build it. Memphis did it in CUSA; VCU did it in the CAA; Witchita & Gonzaga both do it in their conferences....For some reason, we haven't been able to do it. Time to move on....

(05-23-2016 08:05 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 06:49 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  ODU FB going independent or FCS is a dumb idea and will make the ODU administration look like they don't have a clue as to what they're doing. A-10 is a no go.

Companies don't continue to support a failed decision just so that they can pretend to know what they're doing. They stop the bleeding.

A lot has changed since ODU's celebrated announcement to CUSA. ECU's departure, revenue not realized, COA's and a reduction in the dependence on student fees added to increased travel costs, lack of rivalries and no uptick in ODU athletics. One could argue that going to CUSA was a dumb idea.

The A10 scenario would only be realized if UMASS leaves for the AAC, ODU is snubbed and the A10 actually has an interest in ODU as a replacement.

Again, accepting an actual A10 invitation handed to ODU by Commissioner McGlade, would reign in runaway costs by shelving a multi million dollar stadium project, move football to a manageable division and conference with regional rivals and bring in all olympic sports under one roof except for sailing and wrestling. I really don't need to mention what this does for ODU basketball.

An AAC invite would be nice and would improve ODU's position in football and basketball. However ODU will still have it's to absorb the cost of having its athletic teams spread out all over the place.

Exactly. They are sunk costs. I prefer AAC, but A10 needs to be the backup plan.

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(05-23-2016 08:08 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 07:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 07:17 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 07:03 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 06:20 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  Basketball has had decades to produce. They can't get it done. Time to focus on the health of football. It's our meal ticket. We should've take the Mitchum money & put it toward a new stadium.

Basketball is ODU's marquee sport.

We're getting a stadium, extended weight room and a basketball training facility. ODU is focusing on both.

I agree that football should have the resources needed to compete. That's why I advocate the removal of wrestling from the athletic budget. I don't think I'm alone here.

Basketball is no longer the marquee sport. That angers many of you old timers. I get it. But football is where our future lies now. Time to jump on the train or stand at the station. Besides, if basketball is our best sport, we might as well give up on athletics altogether...

Football has no future other than remaining a fun, local event in the fall. We'll never be able to compete with the big boys. Best we can hope for is a mid-level bowl as a member of the AAC and maybe a fluke year where we sniff a ranking like WKU last year. That is the ceiling. Just not enough parity. Basketball is the means to build a national profile. It can be done in the AAC or the A10.

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Basketball has been the means to build a national profile for decades. You don't need a power conference affiliation to build it. Memphis did it in CUSA; VCU did it in the CAA; Witchita & Gonzaga both do it in their conferences....For some reason, we haven't been able to do it. Time to move on....

Save some money on football by dropping back or gain more football revenue in the AAC and invest in basketball coaching and recruiting. It isnt rocket science. The common denominator between VCU, Gonzaga, Memphis, and Wichita State is investment in coaching. Shaka, Few, Calapari, and Marshall. Heck, look at SMU even. 3 years ago I didnt even know they played basketball.

$125M for a football stadium or $2M for a real basketball coach? Easy choice.

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Who's VCU? :)

(05-23-2016 08:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:08 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 07:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 07:17 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 07:03 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Basketball is ODU's marquee sport.

We're getting a stadium, extended weight room and a basketball training facility. ODU is focusing on both.

I agree that football should have the resources needed to compete. That's why I advocate the removal of wrestling from the athletic budget. I don't think I'm alone here.

Basketball is no longer the marquee sport. That angers many of you old timers. I get it. But football is where our future lies now. Time to jump on the train or stand at the station. Besides, if basketball is our best sport, we might as well give up on athletics altogether...

Football has no future other than remaining a fun, local event in the fall. We'll never be able to compete with the big boys. Best we can hope for is a mid-level bowl as a member of the AAC and maybe a fluke year where we sniff a ranking like WKU last year. That is the ceiling. Just not enough parity. Basketball is the means to build a national profile. It can be done in the AAC or the A10.

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Basketball has been the means to build a national profile for decades. You don't need a power conference affiliation to build it. Memphis did it in CUSA; VCU did it in the CAA; Witchita & Gonzaga both do it in their conferences....For some reason, we haven't been able to do it. Time to move on....

Save some money on football by dropping back or gain more football revenue in the AAC and invest in basketball coaching and recruiting. It isnt rocket science. The common denominator between VCU, Gonzaga, Memphis, and Wichita State is investment in coaching. Shaka, Few, Calapari, and Marshall. Heck, look at SMU even. 3 years ago I didnt even know they played basketball.

$125M for a football stadium or $2M for a real basketball coach? Easy choice.

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The point is, they all did it with conferences lesser than the A10, and with resources lesser than what we currently invest in basketball. Therefore, we should be able to do it as well. No need for us to drop our conference affiliation. And no need to add more resources to basketball. Those schools were able to produce solid basketball results in the same mid-major environment we've been operating at. For some reason, we haven't been able to. Let's move the focus to football, build our new $125M stadium for the 20K plus fans that will be there in the Fall, and quit throwing money toward a program that's never been able to get it done - even when they were the ONLY game in town (pre 2009)...

Memphis has been good for years and has huge corporate money behind it. Gonzaga has little competition and has ruled their conference long enough to get amazing results and name recognition. I would argue that if you take the last 4 years out of the equation, ODU has been right there with VCU and Wichita State. Those are peer programs who have made a good run the last several years. ODU is only a few great recruits and lucky bounces to be right back there beside those two. Of course, they have momentum and are going to keep trying to move forward as well. Look at GMU though. ODU has owned them historically, GMU had a little bump after their lucky F4 run, and now ODU is back in its rightful place as the better team again.

Of course, it all comes down to recruiting and coaching. Thats what money, resources, fans support and conference affiliation help with. Money buys resources and coaching which should help recruiting, adding more wins, which add more fans, which adds more money and helps with recruiting. We need to keep investing in hoops. Look at how basketball success has impacted the entire culture at GMU and VCU since their runs. They were exactly the same as us. People even referred to us as "the triplets". Gotta admit that they've gotten a little momentum academically and perception wise as a direct result of basketball.

Someone has said it before, but I think we should actually compete in football here before we " move up"

(05-23-2016 10:17 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Someone has said it before, but I think we should actually compete in football here before we " move up"

If someone said that they were wrong. If an invite to the AAC were to come we would be foolish not to accept. It would probably be the last opportunity for a long time, if not ever. I have no idea if it will occur, but it would mean more revenue, and higher profile for both football and basketball.

DON'T BE A JMU!!!

(05-23-2016 10:23 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:17 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Someone has said it before, but I think we should actually compete in football here before we " move up"

If someone said that they were wrong. If an invite to the AAC were to come we would be foolish not to accept. It would probably be the last opportunity for a long time, if not ever. I have no idea if it will occur, but it would mean more revenue, and higher profile for both football and basketball.

DON'T BE A JMU!!!

This would be an absolute must if we were fortunate enough to get the invite. This is a no brainer. To think that someone thinks we would turn that down is inconceivable to me.

Hopefully we can get better in conference play. It seems like a lot of our teams kill it in nonconference play and are mediocre against weaker competition. The AAC will only be tougher.

(05-24-2016 01:10 AM)dhart020 Wrote:  Hopefully we can get better in conference play. It seems like a lot of our teams kill it in nonconference play and are mediocre against weaker competition. The AAC will only be tougher.

I think the travel takes its toll on our players and believe the AAC would actually offer some respite to our teams in that regard.

(05-23-2016 10:17 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Someone has said it before, but I think we should actually compete in football here before we " move up"

I don't think anyone is naive enough to say that. I think what was said was we need to compete and win in CUSA in order to move up.The point being we need to move up if at all possible.

(05-23-2016 10:17 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Someone has said it before, but I think we should actually compete in football here before we " move up"

That's just the thing, there is nothing to compete for. If we move up, we'll get more revenue, more TV games, a little better travel, a natural rival or two within a few hours drive, and a better league in both sports. There would still be nothing to compete for, but we'd be in a better financial situation to improve facilities, coaching, and recruiting. You'd turn that down?

(05-23-2016 10:23 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:17 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Someone has said it before, but I think we should actually compete in football here before we " move up"

If someone said that they were wrong. If an invite to the AAC were to come we would be foolish not to accept. It would probably be the last opportunity for a long time, if not ever. I have no idea if it will occur, but it would mean more revenue, and higher profile for both football and basketball.

DON'T BE A JMU!!!

It is quite simply trying to be politically correct to our conference mates that we would leap-frog and are bitter that we are being considered. I can't believe anyone affiliated with ODU as either a fan, a coach, or an administrator actually believes that.

We're 8-10 in our first two years of conference play. Certainly not what we aspire to be, but by definition, I would say that this is "competitive".

The reason to move to the AAC is not really football. Frankly, Im satisfied with CUSA football, and was fine with CAA football. I just enjoy the game, being outside and tailgating with friends. The best reason to move to the AAC is basketball and we absolutely need to improve our situation there. Even if UConn, Cincy and Memphis leave, I'll be happy to be in a conference with Temple, UMass (likely), South Florida, Houston and ECU. We could come in and immediately be a top half or better team in the AAC in hoops.

(05-24-2016 08:32 AM)monarx Wrote:  The reason to move to the AAC is not really football. Frankly, Im satisfied with CUSA football, and was fine with CAA football. I just enjoy the game, being outside and tailgating with friends. The best reason to move to the AAC is basketball and we absolutely need to improve our situation there. Even if UConn, Cincy and Memphis leave, I'll be happy to be in a conference with Temple, UMass (likely), South Florida, Houston and ECU. We could come in and immediately be a top half or better team in the AAC in hoops.

That and the ability to get to more road games.