(05-16-2016 09:42 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-16-2016 12:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 10:57 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 10:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 09:48 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  Yeah something is missing with London's statement it doesn't add up

Don't forget about the American Sports Network.
Could also involved a better digital network.

Have any of you that have the all access package gotten an email about cancelling your account?

Landon does say this---

There is also a fourth television partner, according to sources, that hasn't been announced.


So, Im guessing there may be a digital component that is going to significantly increase the availability of CUSA games. Perhaps its with ESPN3, or maybe its with College Sports Live (has a Roku app), Campus Insiders----or maybe something more innovative like Google or Twitter. The goldstandards mention of an email cancelling his digital network account makes me think the 4th partner is a digital platform because the MAC agreement with ESPN3 required that the MAC Digital Network be shuttered.

That actually sounds like the digital component. EPSN/CBS/ASN for TV and then perhaps EPSN3 or Campus Insiders for the digital component.
If people are getting cancellation notice then a different digital partner is happening. CBS interactive is gone and a new digital partner is going to be happening.

On our rivals board 5 or 6 people including myself got that email.

(05-15-2016 10:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 09:48 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 08:38 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  So your tv deal is for only 5 games on espn and 5 on cbssn and your commish says that is great exposure!??

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Yeah something is missing with London's statement it doesn't add up

Don't forget about the American Sports Network.
Could also involved a better digital network.

I think it virtually has to be on ESPN 3. They are trying to build that network and that's what they were most interested in with the MAC. That's not bad as it is the best and most easily accessed digital platform. I know many ESPN 3 games have been put on overflow channels, at least on DIRECTV.

(05-16-2016 09:54 AM)Otts Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 10:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 09:48 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 08:38 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  So your tv deal is for only 5 games on espn and 5 on cbssn and your commish says that is great exposure!??

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Yeah something is missing with London's statement it doesn't add up

Don't forget about the American Sports Network.
Could also involved a better digital network.

I think it virtually has to be on ESPN 3. They are trying to build that network and that's what they were most interested in with the MAC. That's not bad as it is the best and most easily accessed digital platform. I know many ESPN 3 games have been put on overflow channels, at least on DIRECTV.

I think your right in saying ESPN3 is by far the best and most well known digital partner for sports. The only weird thing is that Landin names ESPN, CBSSN, and ASN---and then says there is a 4rth unarmed partner. ESPN3 is part of ESPN. I wouldn't consider ESPN3 an unnamed partner when its parent, ESPN, has already been named. That said, if CUSA split off its digital rights into a completely separate agreement, maybe that's why it might be considered as a seperate partner.

I think it will be bothe ESPN3 and another partner like Campus Insider. ESPN3 has production standards and won't accept content from most of the CUSA who doesnt have the equipment or training except a few schools like Western Kentucky. So ESPN3 will simulcast the ASN content and WKU's games but the other CUSA schools not up to standard will broadcast on somebody like Campus Insider or something. This is also why Selig mentioned each CUSA school needs to upgrade equipment and be in charge of their own self production.

NBCSports has shown little interest in beefing up it's college sports beyond FCS...but if the inventory was really cheap, you never know.

Cost most of the MAC $2 million to uograde equipment, cameras, production trucks. Also took 3 years so if CUSA is signing a short-term deal of say 4 years and $500k per year, that entire check each year will go toward cameras and trucks. Also, I think initially exposure goes down at least on traditional TV as Fox pulled out 40 games and ESPN and CBS only doing a small handful.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...6fa73.html

(05-16-2016 09:54 AM)Otts Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 10:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 09:48 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 08:38 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  So your tv deal is for only 5 games on espn and 5 on cbssn and your commish says that is great exposure!??

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Yeah something is missing with London's statement it doesn't add up

Don't forget about the American Sports Network.
Could also involved a better digital network.

I think it virtually has to be on ESPN 3. They are trying to build that network and that's what they were most interested in with the MAC. That's not bad as it is the best and most easily accessed digital platform. I know many ESPN 3 games have been put on overflow channels, at least on DIRECTV.

That's a big deal for me. Being able to pick up Espn3 games on Direct since I have unsuitable internet at the house right now.

(05-16-2016 03:28 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(05-16-2016 09:54 AM)Otts Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 10:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 09:48 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 08:38 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  So your tv deal is for only 5 games on espn and 5 on cbssn and your commish says that is great exposure!??

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Yeah something is missing with London's statement it doesn't add up

Don't forget about the American Sports Network.
Could also involved a better digital network.

I think it virtually has to be on ESPN 3. They are trying to build that network and that's what they were most interested in with the MAC. That's not bad as it is the best and most easily accessed digital platform. I know many ESPN 3 games have been put on overflow channels, at least on DIRECTV.

That's a big deal for me. Being able to pick up Espn3 games on Direct since I have unsuitable internet at the house right now.

sounds like a big deal for you, huh?

(05-15-2016 06:45 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  "That's how irrelevant C-USA football has become nationally."

Totally off base. The CUSA TV deal has more to do with timing than anything else. CUSA just happens to be the 1st G5 conference to have their TV contract come up for renewal with the new uncertainty and unknown parameters that currently exist. ANY other G5 conference would have the same problem. If things don't change other G5 conferences will suffer the same fate when their time comes...

Completely false. The product we have to sell, declined vastly in quality and appeal. Thats the sad truth. I said we would lose money when it because time 3 years ago. Here we are. I didn't think it would be cut in halfz but i figured we would lose considerable money. On the grand stave of things, the MAC dealwas not that long ago.

You can say whatever you want to feel better about cusa, but the size of the market a school is in, means very little when the people in that market don't care. That strategy failed miserably and now we are paying for it.

(05-16-2016 02:46 PM)wh49er Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...6fa73.html

So are we speculating the five ESPN broadcasts include the games already moved to Friday? Plus the rumor circulating in Waco, and picked up on the Parliament that Baylor at Rice is moving to Friday night for national television?

Off the top of my head we've heard about Arizona at UTSA, Rice at Western Kentucky, a UTEP game, and an Old Dominion game? Maybe Southern Mississippi and Louisiana Tech, too?

CBSSN may likely be in play as well for T/F nights. Last year, they carried three weeknight conference games.

Which game starring the Freshman All-American duo of Brent Stockstill and Richie James will be on PRIME TIME on ESPN? I'm thinking the Championship Game in the Boro after we win the Eastern Division. I'm not picky. We will be glad to host any Western Team that emerges.

(05-16-2016 03:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 06:45 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  "That's how irrelevant C-USA football has become nationally."

Totally off base. The CUSA TV deal has more to do with timing than anything else. CUSA just happens to be the 1st G5 conference to have their TV contract come up for renewal with the new uncertainty and unknown parameters that currently exist. ANY other G5 conference would have the same problem. If things don't change other G5 conferences will suffer the same fate when their time comes...

Completely false. The product we have to sell, declined vastly in quality and appeal. Thats the sad truth. I said we would lose money when it because time 3 years ago. Here we are. I didn't think it would be cut in halfz but i figured we would lose considerable money. On the grand stave of things, the MAC dealwas not that long ago.

You can say whatever you want to feel better about cusa, but the size of the market a school is in, means very little when the people in that market don't care. That strategy failed miserably and now we are paying for it.

The day in 2011 that the last CUSA tv deal was signed....

CUSA was over valued. Fox needed CONTENT and wasn't afraid to bid for it. Skip to today and FOX no longer needs as much college football. So it's a combination of tow things happening. Put the same teams from 2011 into CUSA today and the TV contract probably is about the same as it ends up being this year.

If you need something you are willing to pay more for it...if you don't you wait till it goes on sale. FOX bought into the big boys of the Big10 they no longer need us. The last time this conference was signing a TV contract...espn bidded it up but stopped before going over the market price. As I said FOX needed CONTENT

(05-16-2016 04:12 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(05-16-2016 02:46 PM)wh49er Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...6fa73.html

So are we speculating the five ESPN broadcasts include the games already moved to Friday? Plus the rumor circulating in Waco, and picked up on the Parliament that Baylor at Rice is moving to Friday night for national television?

Off the top of my head we've heard about Arizona at UTSA, Rice at Western Kentucky, a UTEP game, and an Old Dominion game? Maybe Southern Mississippi and Louisiana Tech, too?

It's sounds like there will be 5 games on ESPN on top of games on ESPN2 etc. (UTSA/Arizona and whatever else they decide).

So 5 games on ESPN, 5 games on CBSSN, 15-20 games ASN, a 4th platform, and some additional games on ESPN2 and some of their other channels (?).

(05-16-2016 07:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-16-2016 03:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 06:45 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  "That's how irrelevant C-USA football has become nationally."

Totally off base. The CUSA TV deal has more to do with timing than anything else. CUSA just happens to be the 1st G5 conference to have their TV contract come up for renewal with the new uncertainty and unknown parameters that currently exist. ANY other G5 conference would have the same problem. If things don't change other G5 conferences will suffer the same fate when their time comes...

Completely false. The product we have to sell, declined vastly in quality and appeal. Thats the sad truth. I said we would lose money when it because time 3 years ago. Here we are. I didn't think it would be cut in halfz but i figured we would lose considerable money. On the grand stave of things, the MAC dealwas not that long ago.

You can say whatever you want to feel better about cusa, but the size of the market a school is in, means very little when the people in that market don't care. That strategy failed miserably and now we are paying for it.

The day in 2011 that the last CUSA tv deal was signed....

CUSA was over valued. Fox needed CONTENT and wasn't afraid to bid for it. Skip to today and FOX no longer needs as much college football. So it's a combination of tow things happening. Put the same teams from 2011 into CUSA today and the TV contract probably is about the same as it ends up being this year.

If you need something you are willing to pay more for it...if you don't you wait till it goes on sale. FOX bought into the big boys of the Big10 they no longer need us. The last time this conference was signing a TV contract...espn bidded it up but stopped before going over the market price. As I said FOX needed CONTENT

Kind of a circular argument. One of the reasons there's less bidding is because those teams that defected are already filling broadcast slots for potential bidders. Frankly, I still say there hasn't been a cut, and arguably---bidding was more active now than it was just a few years ago. What has happened is simply an open market revaluation of CUSA with its new membership. Actually, based on the ODU AD interview and available tax returns, the revaluation process began the first year the old teams left (2013).

But that's really not that important. The reality is every single school that has entered CUSA since 2012 will be making more money from tv than they did in their old conference. The new contract sounds like it will be roughly similar to the readjusted value of the old contract. So, the new actual free market contract amount, which was set by actual bidders in the open market, is about where CUSA's former network partners estimated it would be when they adjusted the old contract. This would mean there was no loss of value that has occurred since the last membership defections in 2014. Cord cutting apparently had no effect on the rights fees. Thus, there really isn't declining market for media rights---even in the G5 rights space (and it clearly still rising at a rapid rate in the P5 space). As for a softening market---apparently CUSA had AT LEAST 4 bidders. That's a more active bidding market than the AAC had in 2013 (when the AAC drew only 2 bidders on the open market). Im one that believes the cord cutting stuff has been overblown.

(05-16-2016 07:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-16-2016 07:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-16-2016 03:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 06:45 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  "That's how irrelevant C-USA football has become nationally."

Totally off base. The CUSA TV deal has more to do with timing than anything else. CUSA just happens to be the 1st G5 conference to have their TV contract come up for renewal with the new uncertainty and unknown parameters that currently exist. ANY other G5 conference would have the same problem. If things don't change other G5 conferences will suffer the same fate when their time comes...

Completely false. The product we have to sell, declined vastly in quality and appeal. Thats the sad truth. I said we would lose money when it because time 3 years ago. Here we are. I didn't think it would be cut in halfz but i figured we would lose considerable money. On the grand stave of things, the MAC dealwas not that long ago.

You can say whatever you want to feel better about cusa, but the size of the market a school is in, means very little when the people in that market don't care. That strategy failed miserably and now we are paying for it.

The day in 2011 that the last CUSA tv deal was signed....

CUSA was over valued. Fox needed CONTENT and wasn't afraid to bid for it. Skip to today and FOX no longer needs as much college football. So it's a combination of tow things happening. Put the same teams from 2011 into CUSA today and the TV contract probably is about the same as it ends up being this year.

If you need something you are willing to pay more for it...if you don't you wait till it goes on sale. FOX bought into the big boys of the Big10 they no longer need us. The last time this conference was signing a TV contract...espn bidded it up but stopped before going over the market price. As I said FOX needed CONTENT

Kind of a circular argument. One of the reasons there's less bidding is because those teams that defected are already filling broadcast slots for potential bidders. Frankly, I still say there hasn't been a cut. There has been an open market revaluation of CUSA with its new membership. Actually, based on the ODU AD interview and available tax returns, the revaluation process began the day the old teams left.

The reality? Every school that has entered CUSA since 2012 will be making more money from tv than they did in their old conference. The new contract sounds like it will be roughly similar to the readjusted value of the old contract. So, the actual free market contract amount, which was set by actual bidders in the open market, is about where CUSA's former network partners estimated it would be. This would mean there was no loss of value that has occurred since the last membership defections in 2014. Cord cutting had no effect on the rights fees. Thus, there really isn't declining market for media rights---even in the G5 rights space (and it clearly still rising at a rapid rate in the P5 space). Hell---apparently CUSA had AT LEAST 4 bidders. That's a more active bidding market than the AAC had in 2013 (when the AAC drew only 2 bidders).

While I agree with a lot you said the 4 bidders is not in the same context. Or at least I don't believe it is. Last time you had FOX and espn bidding for the main content. I believe, not for sure, but believe the part about 4 bidders are for different levels of content being sold.

Put it ebay terms...4 bidders and you get top dollar. But if you are offering 4 items and you have 4 bidders...

they are not bidding against each other.

I honestly don't know if that's correct or not..just like everyone basing it off the little content I read

(05-15-2016 06:45 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  "That's how irrelevant C-USA football has become nationally."

Totally off base. The CUSA TV deal has more to do with timing than anything else. CUSA just happens to be the 1st G5 conference to have their TV contract come up for renewal with the new uncertainty and unknown parameters that currently exist. ANY other G5 conference would have the same problem. If things don't change other G5 conferences will suffer the same fate when their time comes...

Cusa suffered a double whammy--loss of teams and the decline of cable.

But it seems losing those teams has already been factored in with the current reduced payment of $6 million. So if the new contract is anywhere from $5.5 to $7 million, the second problem of declining cable doesn't seem to be much of a factor at all and at $7 million is actually an increase.

It may be a factor in the sense that the media isn't throwing big increases to the G5 which maybe a few years ago would have been assumed. But there's not much of a decline, if any.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...6fa73.html

"Conference USA’s TV contracts expire at the end of June, and the timing has proven to be unfortunate for the league.

C-USA is the first member of the Group of 5 mid-major leagues to renegotiate contracts after the NCAA granted more autonomy to the Power 5 conferences. All five are expected to see revenues decline, even as revenues soar for the Power 5 leagues."

Also, remember the P5 teams set aside money for the G5, about $12million per league typically to help with cost of attendance. It wouldn't surprise me to see that number increase as the gap between the G5 and the P5 widens...

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