(05-10-2016 11:13 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I don't want to be tried for heresy here, but as I recall, Pastner went into his first season with less than a full roster of scholarship players (Malik Thomas, anyone?), too. It allowed him to take his lumps his first year, and then load up on scholarship players the next season.

The obvious problems of retention and development arose shortly thereafter, but I'm not overly worried at this point.

That was Pastner's first rodeo; this ain't Tubby's first rodeo.

Pastner had an experienced bunch though...Kemp, Mack, Sallie, Witherspoon, Niles, and Garcia (off a redshirt) along with Coleman.

To Pastner's credit, he immediately went after Latavious, Nglaro and flipped Barham from SIU. Then took a flyer on DJ. And then got Elliot.

Surely, there is a flippable guy out there. A Hoopdreams has tirelessly noted, there are bunches of grad transfers that are being sought out by peer-level programs for a 1 year fix (which would have ZERO effect on 2017 numbers).

Right now Memphis has 7 schollies returning, two of which are players who didn't play or played very limited minutes and one incoming JUCO.

I would hope he could pull in two grad transfers--I think having 10 scholarship level players could suffice.

(05-10-2016 11:30 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  According to 247

Charles O'bannon Jr.
Galen Alexander
Mckinley Wright
Chaundee Brown
Jericho Sims

I type with one finger, thank me later

The above names plus:

DJ Harvey Dematha HS
Terence Lewis Milwaukee
Alex Bartello Tempe
Kevin Knox Tampa
Matt Coleman Oak Hill
Daejon Davis Seattle
Zach Brown 7'1" Miami
PJ Washington Findly Prep- Plays with Penny, family in Memphis
Ikechukwu? Obiago 7'0" Ga.
ML Walker Ga
Darius Perry Ga
Rayshaun Hammonds Ga
JJ Chandler Texas
David Nickleberry Fla

(05-10-2016 11:01 AM)2tigers Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:47 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:42 AM)btiger Wrote:  Coach Smith and staff are recruiting hard. They have offered several of the top 50 players for 2017 from Miami to Seattle. Thus far, they haven't offered anyone from Memphis.

Link?

As you posted on post 13. Smart posters don't need a link.

You still here ?

(05-10-2016 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:13 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I don't want to be tried for heresy here, but as I recall, Pastner went into his first season with less than a full roster of scholarship players (Malik Thomas, anyone?), too. It allowed him to take his lumps his first year, and then load up on scholarship players the next season.

The obvious problems of retention and development arose shortly thereafter, but I'm not overly worried at this point.

That was Pastner's first rodeo; this ain't Tubby's first rodeo.

Pastner had an experienced bunch though...Kemp, Mack, Sallie, Witherspoon, Niles, and Garcia (off a redshirt) along with Coleman.

To Pastner's credit, he immediately went after Latavious, Nglaro and flipped Barham from SIU. Then took a flyer on DJ. And then got Elliot.

Surely, there is a flippable guy out there. A Hoopdreams has tirelessly noted, there are bunches of grad transfers that are being sought out by peer-level programs for a 1 year fix (which would have ZERO effect on 2017 numbers).

Right now Memphis has 7 schollies returning, two of which are players who didn't play or played very limited minutes and one incoming JUCO.

I would hope he could pull in two grad transfers--I think having 10 scholarship level players could suffice.

I say this and I hate Tubby:
"Surely, there is a flippable guy out there. A Hoopdreams has tirelessly noted, there are bunches of grad transfers that are being sought out by peer-level programs for a 1 year fix (which would have ZERO effect on 2017 numbers)."

Didn't Juco signed by Pastner end up not starting for SWCC (averaged low single digits)? We need at least 12 to really practice when a couple of guys are out with injuries, classes, sick, etc. If we don't have that, it will be problematic.

(05-10-2016 12:39 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:13 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I don't want to be tried for heresy here, but as I recall, Pastner went into his first season with less than a full roster of scholarship players (Malik Thomas, anyone?), too. It allowed him to take his lumps his first year, and then load up on scholarship players the next season.

The obvious problems of retention and development arose shortly thereafter, but I'm not overly worried at this point.

That was Pastner's first rodeo; this ain't Tubby's first rodeo.

Pastner had an experienced bunch though...Kemp, Mack, Sallie, Witherspoon, Niles, and Garcia (off a redshirt) along with Coleman.

To Pastner's credit, he immediately went after Latavious, Nglaro and flipped Barham from SIU. Then took a flyer on DJ. And then got Elliot.

Surely, there is a flippable guy out there. A Hoopdreams has tirelessly noted, there are bunches of grad transfers that are being sought out by peer-level programs for a 1 year fix (which would have ZERO effect on 2017 numbers).

Right now Memphis has 7 schollies returning, two of which are players who didn't play or played very limited minutes and one incoming JUCO.

I would hope he could pull in two grad transfers--I think having 10 scholarship level players could suffice.

I say this and I hate Tubby:
"Surely, there is a flippable guy out there. A Hoopdreams has tirelessly noted, there are bunches of grad transfers that are being sought out by peer-level programs for a 1 year fix (which would have ZERO effect on 2017 numbers)."

Didn't Juco signed by Pastner end up not starting for SWCC (averaged low single digits)? We need at least 12 to really practice when a couple of guys are out with injuries, classes, sick, etc. If we don't have that, it will be problematic.

weve got an experienced coach with a staff that is beating the bushes. I think i'll trust his opinion as opposed to some jackleg on a message board

(05-10-2016 11:42 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:30 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  According to 247

Charles O'bannon Jr.
Galen Alexander
Mckinley Wright
Chaundee Brown
Jericho Sims

I type with one finger, thank me later

The above names plus:

DJ Harvey Dematha HS
Terence Lewis Milwaukee
Alex Bartello Tempe
Kevin Knox Tampa
Matt Coleman Oak Hill
Daejon Davis Seattle
Zach Brown 7'1" Miami
PJ Washington Findly Prep- Plays with Penny, family in Memphis
Ikechukwu? Obiago 7'0" Ga.
ML Walker Ga
Darius Perry Ga
Rayshaun Hammonds Ga
JJ Chandler Texas
David Nickleberry Fla

Thanks for the list-know it takes a while as i am a two finger typer. Are we in on anyone for 2016 other than East coast shooter? Do you think Tubby will completely abandon Memphis? IMO, that will have dire consequences-there is some great talent and good kids in memphis for 2017.

(05-10-2016 12:45 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:42 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:30 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  According to 247

Charles O'bannon Jr.
Galen Alexander
Mckinley Wright
Chaundee Brown
Jericho Sims

I type with one finger, thank me later

The above names plus:

DJ Harvey Dematha HS
Terence Lewis Milwaukee
Alex Bartello Tempe
Kevin Knox Tampa
Matt Coleman Oak Hill
Daejon Davis Seattle
Zach Brown 7'1" Miami
PJ Washington Findly Prep- Plays with Penny, family in Memphis
Ikechukwu? Obiago 7'0" Ga.
ML Walker Ga
Darius Perry Ga
Rayshaun Hammonds Ga
JJ Chandler Texas
David Nickleberry Fla

Thanks for the list-know it takes a while as i am a two finger typer. Are we in on anyone for 2016 other than East coast shooter? Do you think Tubby will completely abandon Memphis? IMO, that will have dire consequences-there is some great talent and good kids in memphis for 2017.

Nothing locally in 2017

If they don't kill it locally in 18 and 19 there is a problem

(05-10-2016 11:13 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I don't want to be tried for heresy here, but as I recall, Pastner went into his first season with less than a full roster of scholarship players (Malik Thomas, anyone?), too. It allowed him to take his lumps his first year, and then load up on scholarship players the next season.

The obvious problems of retention and development arose shortly thereafter, but I'm not overly worried at this point.

That was Pastner's first rodeo; this ain't Tubby's first rodeo.

Pastner won 24 games his first year. Put together some players who didn't hurt us long term and helped by Elliot Williams who he went after very hard.

(05-10-2016 12:51 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:13 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I don't want to be tried for heresy here, but as I recall, Pastner went into his first season with less than a full roster of scholarship players (Malik Thomas, anyone?), too. It allowed him to take his lumps his first year, and then load up on scholarship players the next season.

The obvious problems of retention and development arose shortly thereafter, but I'm not overly worried at this point.

That was Pastner's first rodeo; this ain't Tubby's first rodeo.

Pastner won 24 games his first year. Put together some players who didn't hurt us long term and helped by Elliot Williams who he went after very hard.

Yeah, hence the euphoria and comparisons to all-time coaching prodigies. Shine came off of that apple pretty quickly. I don't know if he lucked into DJ or spotted something in him that he wanted, but DJ made him look pretty smart with the way he turned out.

(05-10-2016 12:41 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:39 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:13 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I don't want to be tried for heresy here, but as I recall, Pastner went into his first season with less than a full roster of scholarship players (Malik Thomas, anyone?), too. It allowed him to take his lumps his first year, and then load up on scholarship players the next season.

The obvious problems of retention and development arose shortly thereafter, but I'm not overly worried at this point.

That was Pastner's first rodeo; this ain't Tubby's first rodeo.

Pastner had an experienced bunch though...Kemp, Mack, Sallie, Witherspoon, Niles, and Garcia (off a redshirt) along with Coleman.

To Pastner's credit, he immediately went after Latavious, Nglaro and flipped Barham from SIU. Then took a flyer on DJ. And then got Elliot.

Surely, there is a flippable guy out there. A Hoopdreams has tirelessly noted, there are bunches of grad transfers that are being sought out by peer-level programs for a 1 year fix (which would have ZERO effect on 2017 numbers).

Right now Memphis has 7 schollies returning, two of which are players who didn't play or played very limited minutes and one incoming JUCO.

I would hope he could pull in two grad transfers--I think having 10 scholarship level players could suffice.

I say this and I hate Tubby:
"Surely, there is a flippable guy out there. A Hoopdreams has tirelessly noted, there are bunches of grad transfers that are being sought out by peer-level programs for a 1 year fix (which would have ZERO effect on 2017 numbers)."

Didn't Juco signed by Pastner end up not starting for SWCC (averaged low single digits)? We need at least 12 to really practice when a couple of guys are out with injuries, classes, sick, etc. If we don't have that, it will be problematic.

weve got an experienced coach with a staff that is beating the bushes. I think i'll trust his opinion as opposed to some jackleg on a message board

Weird how that works.

(05-10-2016 12:51 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:13 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I don't want to be tried for heresy here, but as I recall, Pastner went into his first season with less than a full roster of scholarship players (Malik Thomas, anyone?), too. It allowed him to take his lumps his first year, and then load up on scholarship players the next season.

The obvious problems of retention and development arose shortly thereafter, but I'm not overly worried at this point.

That was Pastner's first rodeo; this ain't Tubby's first rodeo.

Pastner won 24 games his first year. Put together some players who didn't hurt us long term and helped by Elliot Williams who he went after very hard.

Cal's culture hadn't been destroyed.

Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

(05-10-2016 02:00 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

We are still in cusa plus a few lol.

(05-10-2016 02:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:00 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

We are still in cusa plus a few lol.

Cincy, UConn, Temple.....ya know....the top few lol

(05-10-2016 02:04 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:00 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

We are still in cusa plus a few lol.

Cincy, UConn, Temple.....ya know....the top few lol

AAC would have had 5 NCAA bids if the best team (SMU) had not been on probation-SEC had 3.

(05-10-2016 02:00 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

He doesn't have to win as high a percentage-just beat more than just the cupcakes and pull off an upset here and there. That will (hopefully) translate to success in the NCAA.

(05-10-2016 02:26 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:00 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

He doesn't have to win as high a percentage-just beat more than just the cupcakes and pull off an upset here and there. That will (hopefully) translate to success in the NCAA.

Like beat someone with equal or more talent. Did Josh ever do that in 7 years. I'm not talking about top 25 wins. I'm talking about beating a team where he didn't have the talent edge.

(05-10-2016 02:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:26 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:00 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

He doesn't have to win as high a percentage-just beat more than just the cupcakes and pull off an upset here and there. That will (hopefully) translate to success in the NCAA.

Like beat someone with equal or more talent. Did Josh ever do that in 7 years. I'm not talking about top 25 wins. I'm talking about beating a team where he didn't have the talent edge.

Maybe Ok St. Maybe Gonzaga. Maybe. If he did, it's a really short list.

(05-10-2016 02:37 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:26 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:00 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

He doesn't have to win as high a percentage-just beat more than just the cupcakes and pull off an upset here and there. That will (hopefully) translate to success in the NCAA.

Like beat someone with equal or more talent. Did Josh ever do that in 7 years. I'm not talking about top 25 wins. I'm talking about beating a team where he didn't have the talent edge.

Maybe Ok St. Maybe Gonzaga. Maybe. If he did, it's a really short list.

I think we had more talent than Gonzaga for sure. Louisville and Ok State were close

(05-10-2016 02:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:26 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:00 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Tubby won't win as much as Josh. He doesn't have Conference USA to help inflate his record.

He doesn't have to win as high a percentage-just beat more than just the cupcakes and pull off an upset here and there. That will (hopefully) translate to success in the NCAA.

Like beat someone with equal or more talent. Did Josh ever do that in 7 years. I'm not talking about top 25 wins. I'm talking about beating a team where he didn't have the talent edge.

Maybe Louisville when they won NC in 2013. Jumps out at me.