(04-26-2016 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 10:16 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 09:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 09:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  your point?

I'm kind of taken aback by the fact it is not painfully obvious.

Bernie Sanders is in no way associated with the extreme elements of the BLM movement. He has been targeted by BLM protestors and bloggers. One of his political problems is that Hilary kept out performing him among black voters in the early stages of the primaries.

then to top it off he is an independent, not even a member of the party, is excelling largely on the power void of no legitimate alternative to Clinton (Biden enters the race and he never would have gotten this far) and to top it off he has no chance of winning. At the end of the day he is the only a single person rather than a large scale movement impacting hundreds of elections on the local, state, and federal level and having serious impacts on the running of Washington and GOP party leadership. not even close to being comparable.

Bernie Sanders is an independent who votes with the Democrats on most issues and it is running for the nomination of the Democratic party, which is a major party. Some independent.

but the point is. sanders and the BLM have done absolutely nothing to change the democratic party. whereas the GOP is clearly voting more conservative than ever before.

That point is inconsequential to my argument. You claimed that old Comrade Sanders is outside of the Democratic party when in reality he is a Democrat in all but his label.

(04-26-2016 06:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 10:16 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 09:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm kind of taken aback by the fact it is not painfully obvious.

Bernie Sanders is in no way associated with the extreme elements of the BLM movement. He has been targeted by BLM protestors and bloggers. One of his political problems is that Hilary kept out performing him among black voters in the early stages of the primaries.

then to top it off he is an independent, not even a member of the party, is excelling largely on the power void of no legitimate alternative to Clinton (Biden enters the race and he never would have gotten this far) and to top it off he has no chance of winning. At the end of the day he is the only a single person rather than a large scale movement impacting hundreds of elections on the local, state, and federal level and having serious impacts on the running of Washington and GOP party leadership. not even close to being comparable.

Bernie Sanders is an independent who votes with the Democrats on most issues and it is running for the nomination of the Democratic party, which is a major party. Some independent.

but the point is. sanders and the BLM have done absolutely nothing to change the democratic party. whereas the GOP is clearly voting more conservative than ever before.

That point is inconsequential to my argument. You claimed that old Comrade Sanders is outside of the Democratic party when in reality he is a Democrat in all but his label.

he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

(04-26-2016 06:50 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 04:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and won with 70% of Republicans favoring him? you can't possibly be serious?

Republicans had two choices... Vote for the GOP candidate and hand the seat over to a moveon.orger or vote for the lesser of two evils. They voted for the lesser.

Quote:your one example is ridiculously incomparable to the examples on the GOP and at the end of the day you are banking on one lone example as a comparison to a universal trend on the GOP side that has impacted hundreds of elections.

Where are all the blue dogs? Lieberman was a high water mark. Shows you just how wildly far to the left the Democrats have went in the past ten years. Sanders may not win but he is pulling the party further left. Sanders, in the 2005 edition of the democratic party, does not get out of Iowa.

BLM is a continuation of the leftward swing of the party.

this is proof you are just bullsh**ing. you are trying to bank on one example and think that excuses an entire trend that states the complete opposite. not only that your example follows someone who actually won his seat which continues to not make any sense toward your argument.

the blue dogs lost out to more conservative candidates. no ifs ands or buts about it.

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

Stop already, you're killing me.

(04-26-2016 09:13 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

Stop already, you're killing me.

name a BLM bill

(04-26-2016 09:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:13 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

Stop already, you're killing me.

name a BLM bill

Name anyone elected as member of the tea party.

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 06:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 10:16 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Bernie Sanders is in no way associated with the extreme elements of the BLM movement. He has been targeted by BLM protestors and bloggers. One of his political problems is that Hilary kept out performing him among black voters in the early stages of the primaries.

then to top it off he is an independent, not even a member of the party, is excelling largely on the power void of no legitimate alternative to Clinton (Biden enters the race and he never would have gotten this far) and to top it off he has no chance of winning. At the end of the day he is the only a single person rather than a large scale movement impacting hundreds of elections on the local, state, and federal level and having serious impacts on the running of Washington and GOP party leadership. not even close to being comparable.

Bernie Sanders is an independent who votes with the Democrats on most issues and it is running for the nomination of the Democratic party, which is a major party. Some independent.

but the point is. sanders and the BLM have done absolutely nothing to change the democratic party. whereas the GOP is clearly voting more conservative than ever before.

That point is inconsequential to my argument. You claimed that old Comrade Sanders is outside of the Democratic party when in reality he is a Democrat in all but his label.

he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

His lying label proves nothing. He touts himself as an independent untouched by the major parties yet he runs for the nomination of one. If he was such a staunch independent, he would run as a third party candidate, but he is not. He is a hypocrit.

(04-27-2016 12:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 06:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Bernie Sanders is an independent who votes with the Democrats on most issues and it is running for the nomination of the Democratic party, which is a major party. Some independent.

but the point is. sanders and the BLM have done absolutely nothing to change the democratic party. whereas the GOP is clearly voting more conservative than ever before.

That point is inconsequential to my argument. You claimed that old Comrade Sanders is outside of the Democratic party when in reality he is a Democrat in all but his label.

he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

His lying label proves nothing. He touts himself as an independent untouched by the major parties yet he runs for the nomination of one. If he was such a staunch independent, he would run as a third party candidate, but he is not. He is a hypocrit.

anyone with half a brain knows that it is impossible to win on a 3rd party ticket. the dems and GOP have worked together to make it that way.

(04-26-2016 10:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:13 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

Stop already, you're killing me.

name a BLM bill

Name anyone elected as member of the tea party.

the tea party is not a separate party but a faction within the GOP. A large number of "Tea Party Backed" candidates have won.

(04-27-2016 01:18 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:13 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

Stop already, you're killing me.

name a BLM bill

Name anyone elected as member of the tea party.

the tea party is not a separate party but a faction within the GOP. A large number of "Tea Party Backed" candidates have won.

And not one candidate backed by BLM has won?

Now whos bullshitting..

Keep it up troll..

(04-27-2016 01:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 12:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 06:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  but the point is. sanders and the BLM have done absolutely nothing to change the democratic party. whereas the GOP is clearly voting more conservative than ever before.

That point is inconsequential to my argument. You claimed that old Comrade Sanders is outside of the Democratic party when in reality he is a Democrat in all but his label.

he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

His lying label proves nothing. He touts himself as an independent untouched by the major parties yet he runs for the nomination of one. If he was such a staunch independent, he would run as a third party candidate, but he is not. He is a hypocrit.

anyone with half a brain knows that it is impossible to win on a 3rd party ticket. the dems and GOP have worked together to make it that way.

anyone with half a brain knows it's impossible for Sanders to win on a major party ticket so...

(04-27-2016 01:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 12:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 06:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 03:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  but the point is. sanders and the BLM have done absolutely nothing to change the democratic party. whereas the GOP is clearly voting more conservative than ever before.

That point is inconsequential to my argument. You claimed that old Comrade Sanders is outside of the Democratic party when in reality he is a Democrat in all but his label.

he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

His lying label proves nothing. He touts himself as an independent untouched by the major parties yet he runs for the nomination of one. If he was such a staunch independent, he would run as a third party candidate, but he is not. He is a hypocrit.

anyone with half a brain knows that it is impossible to win on a 3rd party ticket. the dems and GOP have worked together to make it that way.

A true independent outside of the system goes down fighting for his belief, I guess that means ole Bernie the Bum doesn't follow his beliefs or label. Sanders is nothing but a Soviet socialist in disguise and anyone with a 1/5 of a brain understands that.

(04-27-2016 08:09 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 01:18 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 09:13 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Stop already, you're killing me.

name a BLM bill

Name anyone elected as member of the tea party.

the tea party is not a separate party but a faction within the GOP. A large number of "Tea Party Backed" candidates have won.

And not one candidate backed by BLM has won?

Now whos bullshitting..

Keep it up troll..

name a candidate

(04-27-2016 09:35 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 01:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 12:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 06:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  That point is inconsequential to my argument. You claimed that old Comrade Sanders is outside of the Democratic party when in reality he is a Democrat in all but his label.

he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

His lying label proves nothing. He touts himself as an independent untouched by the major parties yet he runs for the nomination of one. If he was such a staunch independent, he would run as a third party candidate, but he is not. He is a hypocrit.

anyone with half a brain knows that it is impossible to win on a 3rd party ticket. the dems and GOP have worked together to make it that way.

anyone with half a brain knows it's impossible for Sanders to win on a major party ticket so...

so are you going to deny reality that he has a much better chance on a major ticket than 3rd party hence the reason he is chasing Clinton for the nom?

(04-27-2016 10:29 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 01:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 12:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 06:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  That point is inconsequential to my argument. You claimed that old Comrade Sanders is outside of the Democratic party when in reality he is a Democrat in all but his label.

he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

His lying label proves nothing. He touts himself as an independent untouched by the major parties yet he runs for the nomination of one. If he was such a staunch independent, he would run as a third party candidate, but he is not. He is a hypocrit.

anyone with half a brain knows that it is impossible to win on a 3rd party ticket. the dems and GOP have worked together to make it that way.

A true independent outside of the system goes down fighting for his belief, I guess that means ole Bernie the Bum doesn't follow his beliefs or label. Sanders is nothing but a Soviet socialist in disguise and anyone with a 1/5 of a brain understands that.

this is so full of stupidity I don't even know where to start.

(04-27-2016 05:22 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 09:35 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 01:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 12:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

His lying label proves nothing. He touts himself as an independent untouched by the major parties yet he runs for the nomination of one. If he was such a staunch independent, he would run as a third party candidate, but he is not. He is a hypocrit.

anyone with half a brain knows that it is impossible to win on a 3rd party ticket. the dems and GOP have worked together to make it that way.

anyone with half a brain knows it's impossible for Sanders to win on a major party ticket so...

so are you going to deny reality that he has a much better chance on a major ticket than 3rd party hence the reason he is chasing Clinton for the nom?

You must be a danger to the other drivers on a highway.

(04-27-2016 05:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 10:29 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 01:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 12:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  he is not a democrat according to his label. my point is that the BLM movement has made a lot of noise, but they have done absolutely nothing to influence policy both in DC and within the Democratic party.

Bernie is clearly going to lose. not only that but Bernie has not shown support for the extreme agenda of the BLM. the democrats have not done anything in regards to implementing BLM agenda as well.

even if you want to attribute the rise of sanders to suggest the dems have had a shift in their voting block that doesn't really add up because 1) we don't have any other examples of this outside of bernie 2) it is just as likely that Bernie's rise is a response to the lack of a strong opposition candidate to hillary for the dems rather than a change in the democratic party and 3) he is going to lose <== I can not stress that point any further.

the fact is that the fringe elements of the liberal voting block have done nothing to influence the policy of the dems. meanwhile the tea party has a strong presence in the GOP.

His lying label proves nothing. He touts himself as an independent untouched by the major parties yet he runs for the nomination of one. If he was such a staunch independent, he would run as a third party candidate, but he is not. He is a hypocrit.

anyone with half a brain knows that it is impossible to win on a 3rd party ticket. the dems and GOP have worked together to make it that way.

A true independent outside of the system goes down fighting for his belief, I guess that means ole Bernie the Bum doesn't follow his beliefs or label. Sanders is nothing but a Soviet socialist in disguise and anyone with a 1/5 of a brain understands that.

this is so full of stupidity I don't even know where to start.

You are just too afraid to lose like Bernie. Which is why he, the proud independent, is running for the Democratic nomination.