(04-24-2016 07:33 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 05:27 PM)tigerscane Wrote:  But what if Tubby hired a WWW guy or a guy who also is Connected to some National Recruits, would it really still matter as Long as he GETS talent and Wins...Hmmm.....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

He was planning on hiring his son Saul-well known fact. Whether he still does remains to be seen.

Link to someone not named Lawson. A well-known fact is easily linkable.

(04-24-2016 07:33 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 05:27 PM)tigerscane Wrote:  But what if Tubby hired a WWW guy or a guy who also is Connected to some National Recruits, would it really still matter as Long as he GETS talent and Wins...Hmmm.....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

He was planning on hiring his son Saul-well known fact. Whether he still does remains to be seen.

It's NOT a fact. It's conjecture. Vince Taylor is the one most in-the-know are betting on.

(04-24-2016 03:07 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Looks like it's gonna be a long summer after all

Maybe for some here having Pastner withdrawals. Not me. Looking forward to seeing a solid coach build this thing back.

(04-24-2016 07:58 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 07:41 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 05:29 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  NO ONE holds the program hostage for any reason, whatsoever. IF that means Dedric and future Lawsons go someplace else, then so be it.

Would Tubby not be holding the program hostage if he hires his son Saul who brings much less to the table than Keelon.

Wouldn't it be Tubby putting his sons future ahead of Memphis' because he is under contract and we cant get rid of him...

Keelon's value is his sons, period. There seems to be some evidence he doesn't have the skills to coach at the D-1 level, lacks skills to run a practice, can't scout, can't otherwise recruit. And I'm not putting all this on Keelon. His previous head coach lacked those coaching skills so he had little exposure to learn & hone those skills. Keelon would do well to find a way to stay on Tubby's staff, learn some skills & become a better coach. And there's no comparison between the experience of Saul Smith & Keelon, Saul has been a college coach since 2007 & not the entire period under his dad. So if Keelon's current value are his talented sons, then he needs to either learn some D-1 skills under Tubby or understand as soon as one of his sons goes elsewhere, his college coaching career is over - or severely limit school choices & career choices for his sons.

Has Saul ever done anything on his own?

Has Saul ever coached a state championship team?

What does Saul bring to the program other than being the head coach's son.

Remember since 2011 Smith's recruiting classes have averaged 88th in the nation and he has never finished higher than 6th in any conference.

Selective nepotism, by Orlando. OK to hire his son who has never produced a thing on his own, buy not OK to keep a coach who has won a state high school championship and has 4 top 100 sons.

(04-24-2016 05:27 PM)tigerscane Wrote:  But what if Tubby hired a WWW guy or a guy who also is Connected to some National Recruits, would it really still matter as Long as he GETS talent and Wins...Hmmm.....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

Thing is he is NOT getting the talent. Class averaged 88th in the country since 2011. Had two good classes the first two years at Minn due to image he built at UK, then the bottom fell out. Had more recruiting classes in the 100s than in the 50's.

(04-24-2016 09:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 01:58 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  I'm just baffled that this is an issue. Isn't the point in basketball to win/get great recruits. Seems like Tubby just came here to secure his big final retirement check because he sure is not thinking like 99% of basketball coaches in this country. This is not an issue at other schools. It simply is not. You are happy to have top kids on your team. I just don't get it.

Rudd and Bowen are two idiots. I hope one day we can get local leadership here.

Yea. Idiots who have:
Football at a historically successful level.
Football replacing a successful coach with the most sought after young newcomer in the market.
As close to P5 membership as we've ever been.
Got us out from under a terribly burdensome basketball contract.
Hired the most successful basketball coach we've ever hired.
Facilities as strong as they've ever been - with other things in the works.
Success in many other non-revenue sports.

Come to think of it, they're doing pretty well.

^^^^
I realize the issue with the Lawsons is a tough one and I hope it ends well for all, but Coach Smith and the Tiger staff have offered scholarships to 5 players ranked in the top 25 of the ESPN Top 60 for 2017 and 2 players in the 2018 class (both from TN) that are in the current ESPN top 25. There's no way to know how the rankings will end up or how many of them (if any) will sign with the Tigers but it does show a staff with a knowledge of the recruiting landscape. I'm willing to give Coach Smith and the staff the same wait-and-see courtesy I gave Josh Pastner.

(04-24-2016 09:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 07:33 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 05:27 PM)tigerscane Wrote:  But what if Tubby hired a WWW guy or a guy who also is Connected to some National Recruits, would it really still matter as Long as he GETS talent and Wins...Hmmm.....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

He was planning on hiring his son Saul-well known fact. Whether he still does remains to be seen.

It's NOT a fact. It's conjecture. Vince Taylor is the one most in-the-know are betting on.

You do realize "was" is past tense don't you?

(04-24-2016 09:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 01:58 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  I'm just baffled that this is an issue. Isn't the point in basketball to win/get great recruits. Seems like Tubby just came here to secure his big final retirement check because he sure is not thinking like 99% of basketball coaches in this country. This is not an issue at other schools. It simply is not. You are happy to have top kids on your team. I just don't get it.

Rudd and Bowen are two idiots. I hope one day we can get local leadership here.

Yea. Idiots who have:
Football at a historically successful level.
Football replacing a successful coach with the most sought after young newcomer in the market.
As close to P5 membership as we've ever been.
Got us out from under a terribly burdensome basketball contract.
Hired the most successful basketball coach we've ever hired.
Facilities as strong as they've ever been - with other things in the works.
Success in many other non-revenue sports.

Come to think of it, they're doing pretty well.

Now, now Tiger87. You can't use your brain or logic or reason when trying to discuss things with some of the folks on this board. They don't believe in it.

If Kelon bolts, he takes his kids with him. KJ is way over rated as a player and will have to sit for a year, anywhere he goes. Dedric can make an attempt at the NBA and will probably fail miserably. He is not ready.

I, frankly, am tired of the drama. If they can't work out a solution that is good for all involved, let them go. More power to them.

(04-24-2016 10:17 PM)papajohn Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 09:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 01:58 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  I'm just baffled that this is an issue. Isn't the point in basketball to win/get great recruits. Seems like Tubby just came here to secure his big final retirement check because he sure is not thinking like 99% of basketball coaches in this country. This is not an issue at other schools. It simply is not. You are happy to have top kids on your team. I just don't get it.

Rudd and Bowen are two idiots. I hope one day we can get local leadership here.

Yea. Idiots who have:
Football at a historically successful level.
Football replacing a successful coach with the most sought after young newcomer in the market.
As close to P5 membership as we've ever been.
Got us out from under a terribly burdensome basketball contract.
Hired the most successful basketball coach we've ever hired.
Facilities as strong as they've ever been - with other things in the works.
Success in many other non-revenue sports.

Come to think of it, they're doing pretty well.

Now, now Tiger87. You can't use your brain or logic or reason when trying to discuss things with some of the folks on this board. They don't believe in it.

If you think Tubby more successful than Cal lay off the funny weed.

Some of their not so great accomplishments (a few opinions too):
BB program at lowest point since Tic Price era
Lynch/Fuente probably responsible for FB turnaround. Remains to be seen
Generally acknowledged locally and nationally as dysfunctional athletic dept
Bowen has tuned out all but Ambassador level donors
Avg paid attendance in BB this coming season will be below 7K unless discounted
Bowen applies for virtually every open AD job available
Bad hire in BB-IMO-will further damage program; controversy in 1st week
We are no closer to P5 membership than when either were hired
Some facilities promised not funded or started yet.

(04-24-2016 10:37 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 10:17 PM)papajohn Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 09:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 01:58 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  I'm just baffled that this is an issue. Isn't the point in basketball to win/get great recruits. Seems like Tubby just came here to secure his big final retirement check because he sure is not thinking like 99% of basketball coaches in this country. This is not an issue at other schools. It simply is not. You are happy to have top kids on your team. I just don't get it.

Rudd and Bowen are two idiots. I hope one day we can get local leadership here.

Yea. Idiots who have:
Football at a historically successful level.
Football replacing a successful coach with the most sought after young newcomer in the market.
As close to P5 membership as we've ever been.
Got us out from under a terribly burdensome basketball contract.
Hired the most successful basketball coach we've ever hired.
Facilities as strong as they've ever been - with other things in the works.
Success in many other non-revenue sports.

Come to think of it, they're doing pretty well.

Now, now Tiger87. You can't use your brain or logic or reason when trying to discuss things with some of the folks on this board. They don't believe in it.

If you think Tubby more successful than Cal lay off the funny weed.

Some of their not so great accomplishments (a few opinions too):
BB program at lowest point since Tic Price era
Lynch/Fuente probably responsible for FB turnaround. Remains to be seen
Generally acknowledged locally and nationally as dysfunctional athletic dept
Bowen has tuned out all but Ambassador level donors
Avg paid attendance in BB this coming season will be below 7K unless discounted
Bowen applies for virtually every open AD job available
Bad hire in BB-IMO-will further damage program; controversy in 1st week
We are no closer to P5 membership than when either were hired
Some facilities promised not funded or started yet.

Penny lane=fraud

(04-24-2016 11:04 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 10:37 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 10:17 PM)papajohn Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 09:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 01:58 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  I'm just baffled that this is an issue. Isn't the point in basketball to win/get great recruits. Seems like Tubby just came here to secure his big final retirement check because he sure is not thinking like 99% of basketball coaches in this country. This is not an issue at other schools. It simply is not. You are happy to have top kids on your team. I just don't get it.

Rudd and Bowen are two idiots. I hope one day we can get local leadership here.

Yea. Idiots who have:
Football at a historically successful level.
Football replacing a successful coach with the most sought after young newcomer in the market.
As close to P5 membership as we've ever been.
Got us out from under a terribly burdensome basketball contract.
Hired the most successful basketball coach we've ever hired.
Facilities as strong as they've ever been - with other things in the works.
Success in many other non-revenue sports.

Come to think of it, they're doing pretty well.

Now, now Tiger87. You can't use your brain or logic or reason when trying to discuss things with some of the folks on this board. They don't believe in it.

If you think Tubby more successful than Cal lay off the funny weed.

Some of their not so great accomplishments (a few opinions too):
BB program at lowest point since Tic Price era
Lynch/Fuente probably responsible for FB turnaround. Remains to be seen
Generally acknowledged locally and nationally as dysfunctional athletic dept
Bowen has tuned out all but Ambassador level donors
Avg paid attendance in BB this coming season will be below 7K unless discounted
Bowen applies for virtually every open AD job available
Bad hire in BB-IMO-will further damage program; controversy in 1st week
We are no closer to P5 membership than when either were hired
Some facilities promised not funded or started yet.

Penny lane=fraud

You can't handle the Truth!!

(04-24-2016 01:58 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  I'm just baffled that this is an issue. Isn't the point in basketball to win/get great recruits. Seems like Tubby just came here to secure his big final retirement check because he sure is not thinking like 99% of basketball coaches in this country. This is not an issue at other schools. It simply is not. You are happy to have top kids on your team. I just don't get it.

Rudd and Bowen are two idiots. I hope one day we can get local leadership here.

This may be one of the dumbest post I've ever seen on this board. They've pretty much cleaned up the mess that RC left behind, and have football to a point all Tiger fans can be proud of, but yea they're idiots. And you want local leadership to run Tiger athletics?? How bout we just hire back good ole Charles Cavagnaro to run things.

Has Tubby or Keelon even commented publicly yet? All I've heard from his the brother and a few media types that we all now hate.

(04-25-2016 07:48 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Has Tubby or Keelon even commented publicly yet? All I've heard from his the brother and a few media types that we all now hate.

NO but typical for this forum & local media, "facts" being offered that are at best uninformed opinions & conjecture.

(04-25-2016 07:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 07:48 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Has Tubby or Keelon even commented publicly yet? All I've heard from his the brother and a few media types that we all now hate.

NO but typical for this forum & local media, "facts" being offered that are at best uninformed opinions & conjecture.

Circus clown car.

(04-25-2016 07:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 07:48 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Has Tubby or Keelon even commented publicly yet? All I've heard from his the brother and a few media types that we all now hate.

NO but typical for this forum & local media, "facts" being offered that are at best uninformed opinions & conjecture.

Keelon's brother should be publicly thrashed by some on in his family for going public with his version of events. I'm sure he has inside info that few others have. That he broke a confidence is telling. How can Tubby and Keelon ever form the kind of bond an employee-boss must have on sensitive issues, when Tubby might fear something sensitive could get leaked to the media. In this kind of relationship, Tubby MUST know that what needs to stay in house actually does.
As for Keelon "moving" his kids somewhere else, that's pretty risky. Both sons would face sitting out a year. And who would give Pappas Lawson a job now in the hopes one, two or all the kids might go to that school in the future. Doesn't make sense.
I agree with some others on this board that Lawson's status as an assistant should have been hammered out before a hire was made. If no promises were made to him, then that should be made public.

I've commented on this so many times I can't remember which threads. But if the Lawson's want to play for the hometown Tigers they will. If they don't, move on. Kids generally grow up wanting to play for the Tigers and it's rare the same coach is there when they are finally of age to enroll.

So it will depend on the success Tubby is having and if they want to play for Memphis. Dad and Josh created this mess. We should never be so desperate for one guy.

(04-25-2016 09:12 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  I've commented on this so many times I can't remember which threads. But if the Lawson's want to play for the hometown Tigers they will. If they don't, move on. Kids generally grow up wanting to play for the Tigers and it's rare the same coach is there when they are finally of age to enroll.

So it will depend on the success Tubby is having and if they want to play for Memphis. Dad and Josh created this mess. We should never be so desperate for one guy.

Well said.

(04-24-2016 11:24 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 11:04 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 10:37 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 10:17 PM)papajohn Wrote:  

(04-24-2016 09:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yea. Idiots who have:
Football at a historically successful level.
Football replacing a successful coach with the most sought after young newcomer in the market.
As close to P5 membership as we've ever been.
Got us out from under a terribly burdensome basketball contract.
Hired the most successful basketball coach we've ever hired.
Facilities as strong as they've ever been - with other things in the works.
Success in many other non-revenue sports.

Come to think of it, they're doing pretty well.

Now, now Tiger87. You can't use your brain or logic or reason when trying to discuss things with some of the folks on this board. They don't believe in it.

If you think Tubby more successful than Cal lay off the funny weed.

Some of their not so great accomplishments (a few opinions too):
BB program at lowest point since Tic Price era
Lynch/Fuente probably responsible for FB turnaround. Remains to be seen
Generally acknowledged locally and nationally as dysfunctional athletic dept
Bowen has tuned out all but Ambassador level donors
Avg paid attendance in BB this coming season will be below 7K unless discounted
Bowen applies for virtually every open AD job available
Bad hire in BB-IMO-will further damage program; controversy in 1st week
We are no closer to P5 membership than when either were hired
Some facilities promised not funded or started yet.

Penny lane=fraud

You can't handle the Truth!!

This list, combined with past posts, proves that little connection to the larger truths exists here.