Two years pass before Baylor U investigation of sexual assault

Quote:Baylor University did not investigate a sexual assault report made against two football players for more than two years, despite the school's obligation under federal law to immediately address allegations of sexual violence involving students, Outside the Lines has learned.

and...

Shawn Oakman rape allegation

Quote:The news comes amid heightened attention to how the university in Waco has handled allegations accusing athletes of sexual misconduct or rape.

Quote:Oakman, a Philadelphia native, came to Baylor after being kicked off the football team at Penn State.

No disrespect intended for my Baylor friends or ConvertedOwl. I would not be pleased at all if Rice garnered these type of headlines. I wonder though, has Baylor crossed the Rubicon with regard to collegiate athletics? Can they recover? Are they willing to recover? I think that this is interesting in light of Johnathan Sadow's post about the difficult proposition of coaching Rice Football.

(04-13-2016 10:51 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  Two years pass before Baylor U investigation of sexual assault

Quote:Baylor University did not investigate a sexual assault report made against two football players for more than two years, despite the school's obligation under federal law to immediately address allegations of sexual violence involving students, Outside the Lines has learned.

and...

Shawn Oakman rape allegation

Quote:The news comes amid heightened attention to how the university in Waco has handled allegations accusing athletes of sexual misconduct or rape.

Quote:Oakman, a Philadelphia native, came to Baylor after being kicked off the football team at Penn State.

No disrespect intended for my Baylor friends or ConvertedOwl. I would not be pleased at all if Rice garnered these type of headlines. I wonder though, has Baylor crossed the Rubicon with regard to collegiate athletics? Can they recover? Are they willing to recover? I think that this is interesting in light of Johnathan Sadow's post about the difficulty proposition of coaching Rice Football.

Yes. And it's nothing new.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_U...ll_scandal

They've had other issues with basketball players since then. Now they allow known offending football players a chance to transfer in and then attempt to brush allegations under the rug. I expect the same NCAA punishments that UNC has received (nothing)

And where is their President Ken Starr? You rarely read any comments by him on the continuing Saga on the Brazos. It isn't just these criminal offenses but I think the "sold their soul" comment definitely applies to using Emily Niemann and Britney Griner to win WBB titles given Baylor's complete opposition to LGBT rights.

(04-14-2016 08:17 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  And where is their President Ken Starr? You rarely read any comments by him on the continuing Saga on the Brazos. It isn't just these criminal offenses but I think the "sold their soul" comment definitely applies to using Emily Niemann and Britney Griner to win WBB titles given Baylor's complete opposition to LGBT rights.

Good thing you asked! He was part of a panel at Baylor yesterday that discussed the Supreme Court vacancy! Seems like a really good use of his time

The blatant indifference to sexual predation by athletes at Baylor certainly signals a profound change in attitude by that institution compared to, say, 30 years ago. Combine that with their apparent total disinterest in maintaining any academic excellence in their athletic programs (see other thread re: APR) indicates a total paradigm shift in the institution's approach to the way it wants others to view it.
Heavy emphasis on developing national champion caliber athletics seems to be tha approach now. And it seems to be working. They have seen an impressive increase in applications. Their alumni donations are way up. They've had an impressive increase in on-campus building... Their new football stadium is, arguably, the best in the state. The new approach has succeeded in putting the Baylor name out there. Creating a truly national profile.
Many of us are envious of our former SWC mate. They've thrived, athletically, while we have... languished.
But, again... what price have they paid? Is all that national attention in athletics worth what seems to be a total betrayal of what Baylor used to stand for?
I was at a recent Owl Club meeting at Rice. And one of the things I was pleased to hear from Dr K was the continued emphasis on maintaining our institutional identity and core values. We field STUDENT athletes. Everyone would like a national championship. We haven't had many of them. But, it's very encouraging to me to hear that we won't betray who we are to achieve it.

Baylor had a soul?

Baylor has consistently shown the very worst endgame for college sports. Valuing athletic success not only over educational integrity (which is common), but over student safety and human decency. If anyone has shown they don't deserve to have D1 athletics, it's Baylor

(04-14-2016 10:50 AM)07owl Wrote:  Baylor has consistently shown the very worst endgame for college sports. Valuing athletic success not only over educational integrity (which is common), but over student safety and human decency. If anyone has shown they don't deserve to have D1 athletics, it's Baylor

Well stated.

Poor Queso

(04-14-2016 11:27 AM)Baconator Wrote:  Poor Queso

+1

Baylor is just embarrassing. At least the Aggies basically admit they are sacrificing everything for wins and the almighty dollar. Baylor keeps hiding behind their "we are so religious and righteous"!! >>>>> "when it suits us, anyway" attitude, and all the koolaid drinkers are on board. Disgusting.

(04-14-2016 02:10 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  Baylor is just embarrassing. At least the Aggies basically admit they are sacrificing everything for wins and the almighty dollar. Baylor keeps hiding behind their "we are so religious and righteous"!! >>>>> "when it suits us, anyway" attitude, and all the koolaid drinkers are on board. Disgusting.

It's nothing new from the Church of the Latter Day Pharisees and Sadducees.

This comes from the University whose president chased the Clintons for years......

Was Baylor the school that took that transfer who had been run out of Boise State and then committed sexual assault once he got there? Or was that TCU? (I'm not a very good college football fan. I admit there's only one former-SWC private school that I can reliably distinguish from the rest.)

(04-14-2016 05:49 PM)JOwl Wrote:  Was Baylor the school that took that transfer who had been run out of Boise State and then committed sexual assault once he got there? Or was that TCU? (I'm not a very good college football fan. I admit there's only one former-SWC private school that I can reliably distinguish from the rest.)

It was Baylor

But I will argue that I like Rice Stadium better. Easier to park and larger. Suffered too much in the sum at Baylor last Septmber.

(04-14-2016 08:51 AM)greyowl72 Wrote:  The blatant indifference to sexual predation by athletes at Baylor certainly signals a profound change in attitude by that institution compared to, say, 30 years ago. Combine that with their apparent total disinterest in maintaining any academic excellence in their athletic programs (see other thread re: APR) indicates a total paradigm shift in the institution's approach to the way it wants others to view it.
Heavy emphasis on developing national champion caliber athletics seems to be tha approach now. And it seems to be working. They have seen an impressive increase in applications. Their alumni donations are way up. They've had an impressive increase in on-campus building... Their new football stadium is, arguably, the best in the state. The new approach has succeeded in putting the Baylor name out there. Creating a truly national profile.
Many of us are envious of our former SWC mate. They've thrived, athletically, while we have... languished.
But, again... what price have they paid? Is all that national attention in athletics worth what seems to be a total betrayal of what Baylor used to stand for?
I was at a recent Owl Club meeting at Rice. And one of the things I was pleased to hear from Dr K was the continued emphasis on maintaining our institutional identity and core values. We field STUDENT athletes. Everyone would like a national championship. We haven't had many of them. But, it's very encouraging to me to hear that we won't betray who we are to achieve it.

(04-14-2016 06:18 PM)75src Wrote:  But I will argue that I like Rice Stadium better. Easier to park and larger. Suffered too much in the sum at Baylor last Septmber.

(04-14-2016 08:51 AM)greyowl72 Wrote:  The blatant indifference to sexual predation by athletes at Baylor certainly signals a profound change in attitude by that institution compared to, say, 30 years ago. Combine that with their apparent total disinterest in maintaining any academic excellence in their athletic programs (see other thread re: APR) indicates a total paradigm shift in the institution's approach to the way it wants others to view it.
Heavy emphasis on developing national champion caliber athletics seems to be tha approach now. And it seems to be working. They have seen an impressive increase in applications. Their alumni donations are way up. They've had an impressive increase in on-campus building... Their new football stadium is, arguably, the best in the state. The new approach has succeeded in putting the Baylor name out there. Creating a truly national profile.
Many of us are envious of our former SWC mate. They've thrived, athletically, while we have... languished.
But, again... what price have they paid? Is all that national attention in athletics worth what seems to be a total betrayal of what Baylor used to stand for?
I was at a recent Owl Club meeting at Rice. And one of the things I was pleased to hear from Dr K was the continued emphasis on maintaining our institutional identity and core values. We field STUDENT athletes. Everyone would like a national championship. We haven't had many of them. But, it's very encouraging to me to hear that we won't betray who we are to achieve it.

I was there, too. Miserable football weather and a miserable football game.
Nevertheless, I was at the Baylor stadium again for a function a couple of weeks ago. It truly is a great spot. Nice design. Excellent sight lines. Great concourse and impressive club and alumni facilities.
However, I agree with you... HRS is my home. And it's a very comfortable place to watch the Owls.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Mark 8:36 (KJV)

Innocent until proven guilty.

I don't know if they have, or it just seems so. I've heard nothing about any regrets from Coach Teaff. Not that we are terribly close. In fact I'm a complete stranger to him. He keeps a somewhat visible public profile in appearing on FCA panels and such. I'd guess he would never publicly critique the university which he served so well for so long. I'll let Baylor and other universities make their own choices, and enjoy the consequences. I'm very happy with the course that Rice has chosen. They could always have done better, as could I in my own choices, but I can say I'm proud to be a Rice Owl. No regrets, other than wishing I'd worked a little harder while I was there.