(04-14-2016 05:49 PM)JOwl Wrote:  Was Baylor the school that took that transfer who had been run out of Boise State and then committed sexual assault once he got there? Or was that TCU? (I'm not a very good college football fan. I admit there's only one former-SWC private school that I can reliably distinguish from the rest.)

They took a BSU transfer but there was nothing in his record regarding any violence or sexual assault history with women that either Baylor or Boise knew about at the time. There were multiple articles on that.

As for the current issues I hope they release the whole report and fire/replace as needed.

The school can find another coach to make us competitive if he covered things up. It can find another AD or president too.

I don't think there were coverups but rather that the title nine department from 2010-2014 was inept. Whichever it is, none of us will know for sure until that report is released in full.

Biggest hope here is that Baylor makes changes that protects potential victims in the future and takes the lead on implementing those measures nationally.

First of all let me say that I consider myself a Baylor fan.

But I have no idea why Baylor people keep saying they took the Boise transfer and nobody knew about his record. BSU kicked him off the team because of his record! And why is it ok that Baylor accepted him as a transfer and had no idea about his history? Would it be ok if he had ties to terrorism, or there was a possibility he was a serial murderer? The football team doesn't just accept transfers on their good word. I realize I'm being sensational with my comparisons here, but how is it ok that they didn't know this transfer's history? It's mind boggling, really.

(05-25-2016 05:34 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  First of all let me say that I consider myself a Baylor fan.

But I have no idea why Baylor people keep saying they took the Boise transfer and nobody knew about his record. BSU kicked him off the team because of his record! And why is it ok that Baylor accepted him as a transfer and had no idea about his history? Would it be ok if he had ties to terrorism, or there was a possibility he was a serial murderer? The football team doesn't just accept transfers on their good word. I realize I'm being sensational with my comparisons here, but how is it ok that they didn't know this transfer's history? It's mind boggling, really.

Because that isn't factual and focusing on a false issue obscures the real ones we need answers to.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...llegations

His dismissal had to do with depression and drug tests and this is corroborated by testimony from Briles, SU's high school coach, and SU's father regarding what Peterson told Briles. Boise specifically mentions they had no knowledge of domestic or sexual assault with him. So Boise did NOT dismiss him for any record related to something they did not know.

The issue isn't what they knew and why he was admitted. That is effectively known by now despite a multitude of misleading headlines prior to the release of this info last August. The issue is why did an internal investigation clear him and other issues related to that in other cases?

Focusing on a non-story takes eyes off of what is important- identifying the systematic title nine and judicial affairs breakdowns that put female students at risk.

Coaches, AD staff, and the president's office may or may not have been a cause in that. Hopefully the report sheds the light we need.

(05-24-2016 04:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  The MOB has the halftime show material right here.

Yes -- I really think this, like the game itself, represents a critical challenge (perhaps even a turning point?) for our school as a participant in D1 Athletics.
If we fans don't show up, if the team gets blown out, if the band is almost invisible again -- should we really even be doing this anymore?
On the other hand, if we do show up, play competitively, and the MOB beefs up and steps on their neck with class -- then I think it makes a very strong statement.

(05-25-2016 06:05 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  The MOB has the halftime show material right here.

Yes -- I really think this, like the game itself, represents a critical challenge (perhaps even a turning point?) for our school as a participant in D1 Athletics.
If we fans don't show up, if the team gets blown out, if the band is almost invisible again -- should we really even be doing this anymore?
On the other hand, if we do show up, play competitively, and the MOB beefs up and steps on their neck with class -- then I think it makes a very strong statement.

WADR to Chuck and The MOB ... how much air time do you think E$PN will give The MOB ?

E$PN will probably have a half dozen "analysts" fighting each other for face time and that will preclude MOB time. Hell those of us in the stands will be hard pressed to decipher the announcer's commentary of what's going on on the turf.

(05-25-2016 06:05 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  The MOB has the halftime show material right here.

...and the MOB beefs up and steps on their neck with class ...

Interesting turn of phrase.

(05-25-2016 06:05 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  The MOB has the halftime show material right here.

Yes -- I really think this, like the game itself, represents a critical challenge (perhaps even a turning point?) for our school as a participant in D1 Athletics.
If we fans don't show up, if the team gets blown out, if the band is almost invisible again -- should we really even be doing this anymore?
On the other hand, if we do show up, play competitively, and the MOB beefs up and steps on their neck with class -- then I think it makes a very strong statement.

Agree. We really need to play well and make a game of it. I'm sick of teams like this pushing us around time after time.

(05-25-2016 06:52 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 06:05 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  The MOB has the halftime show material right here.

Yes -- I really think this, like the game itself, represents a critical challenge (perhaps even a turning point?) for our school as a participant in D1 Athletics.
If we fans don't show up, if the team gets blown out, if the band is almost invisible again -- should we really even be doing this anymore?
On the other hand, if we do show up, play competitively, and the MOB beefs up and steps on their neck with class -- then I think it makes a very strong statement.

WADR to Chuck and The MOB ... how much air time do you think E$PN will give The MOB ?

E$PN will probably have a half dozen "analysts" fighting each other for face time and that will preclude MOB time. Hell those of us in the stands will be hard pressed to decipher the announcer's commentary of what's going on on the turf.

There will be no time for the halftime show on ESPN, for the reasons you noted. It used to be an ABC thing, long ago, to show each band briefly, but not anymore.

And the MOB is going to have to get the script past whomever has the option of reviewing the scripts closely. Gotta believe they're going to watch out for this one, to prevent another school from getting worked up about getting worked over.

I'm curious if Baylor is bringing their band. If so, that cuts down on MOB show length at halftime.

(05-26-2016 06:54 AM)gsloth Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 06:52 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 06:05 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  The MOB has the halftime show material right here.

Yes -- I really think this, like the game itself, represents a critical challenge (perhaps even a turning point?) for our school as a participant in D1 Athletics.
If we fans don't show up, if the team gets blown out, if the band is almost invisible again -- should we really even be doing this anymore?
On the other hand, if we do show up, play competitively, and the MOB beefs up and steps on their neck with class -- then I think it makes a very strong statement.

WADR to Chuck and The MOB ... how much air time do you think E$PN will give The MOB ?

E$PN will probably have a half dozen "analysts" fighting each other for face time and that will preclude MOB time. Hell those of us in the stands will be hard pressed to decipher the announcer's commentary of what's going on on the turf.

There will be no time for the halftime show on ESPN, for the reasons you noted. It used to be an ABC thing, long ago, to show each band briefly, but not anymore.

And the MOB is going to have to get the script past whomever has the option of reviewing the scripts closely. Gotta believe they're going to watch out for this one, to prevent another school from getting worked up about getting worked over.

I'm curious if Baylor is bringing their band. If so, that cuts down on MOB show length at halftime.

If they don't let the MOB hammer the train wreck that's going on at Baylor when they come to our stadium then they might as well just turn the MOB into a normal band or start hiring people for halftime shows. I'll be really upset if they don't take advantage of this script that has been writing itself in Waco.

(05-25-2016 10:54 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 06:05 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  The MOB has the halftime show material right here.

Yes -- I really think this, like the game itself, represents a critical challenge (perhaps even a turning point?) for our school as a participant in D1 Athletics.
If we fans don't show up, if the team gets blown out, if the band is almost invisible again -- should we really even be doing this anymore?
On the other hand, if we do show up, play competitively, and the MOB beefs up and steps on their neck with class -- then I think it makes a very strong statement.

Agree. We really need to play well and make a game of it. I'm sick of teams like this pushing us around time after time.

You know Bailiff's record against these type of teams, so you better hope for a new coach.

(05-26-2016 09:45 AM)WIowl Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 06:05 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  The MOB has the halftime show material right here.

Yes -- I really think this, like the game itself, represents a critical challenge (perhaps even a turning point?) for our school as a participant in D1 Athletics.
If we fans don't show up, if the team gets blown out, if the band is almost invisible again -- should we really even be doing this anymore?
On the other hand, if we do show up, play competitively, and the MOB beefs up and steps on their neck with class -- then I think it makes a very strong statement.

Agree. We really need to play well and make a game of it. I'm sick of teams like this pushing us around time after time.

You know Bailiff's record against these type of teams, so you better hope for a new coach.

I agree. 0-0 is much better than 0-whatever

But whoever is coach, this would be a good time to put a 1 in the win column.

Briles fired

I'm of the opinion this is something the MOB doesn't need to touch. Poking fun at rape and violence against women (and Baylor's actions/iinactions) isn't a winner in my book.

(05-26-2016 12:15 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  I'm of the opinion this is something the MOB doesn't need to touch. Poking fun at rape and violence against women (and Baylor's actions/iinactions) isn't a winner in my book.

You're probably right here. But I do love sick humor.

Whether you like or dislike Baylor, I will point out that they did what they said they were going to do from the start of this investigation. They said they would turn the investigation over to an outside law firm and refrain from comment until the results were in. At that time the Board or Regents would take swift and decisive action. They stuck to their guns even while everyone was screaming and accusing them of covering up and stonewalling. Today's action was pretty damn decisive in my books. So to the original question, my answer is NO,

(05-26-2016 11:16 AM)RiceBull Wrote:  Briles fired

E$PN reporting he's to be fired.

(05-26-2016 12:15 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  I'm of the opinion this is something the MOB doesn't need to touch. Poking fun at rape and violence against women (and Baylor's actions/iinactions) isn't a winner in my book.

+1

(05-26-2016 12:25 PM)Converted Rice Wrote:  Whether you like or dislike Baylor, I will point out that they did what they said they were going to do from the start of this investigation. They said they would turn the investigation over to an outside law firm and refrain from comment until the results were in. At that time the Board or Regents would take swift and decisive action. They stuck to their guns even while everyone was screaming and accusing them of covering up and stonewalling. Today's action was pretty damn decisive in my books. So to the original question, my answer is NO,

Up to this point I will agree that Baylor has done well. Questions that remain in my mind is did someone from Baylor work with Waco PD to keep a lid on several investigations and who in the University was responsible for Baylor's failure for not complying with Title 9 for over four years?

(05-26-2016 12:35 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 12:25 PM)Converted Rice Wrote:  Whether you like or dislike Baylor, I will point out that they did what they said they were going to do from the start of this investigation. They said they would turn the investigation over to an outside law firm and refrain from comment until the results were in. At that time the Board or Regents would take swift and decisive action. They stuck to their guns even while everyone was screaming and accusing them of covering up and stonewalling. Today's action was pretty damn decisive in my books. So to the original question, my answer is NO,

Up to this point I will agree that Baylor has done well. Questions that remain in my mind is did someone from Baylor work with Waco PD to keep a lid on several investigations and who in the University was responsible for Baylor's failure for not complying with Title 9 for over four years?

That's the thing. If you think of "Baylor" as the Board of Regents or some other removed institution, maybe they just didn't know. But there was clearly a lack of institutional control, which the reports shows; they did not have nearly an adequate system built to prevent these types of things from happening. Willful ignorance isn't as bad as willful misconduct, but you can't pretend that all of the higher-ups didn't allow this to happen. The reason these Title 9 programs are supposed to be up to snuff is to prevent things like this from happening.

Honestly, Bennett (The former DC and now interim HC) is probably just as guilty as Briles. He was the guy who made the statement about Ugchukwu being "on track" to play in 2015.