(04-14-2016 07:12 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 07:08 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:24 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  If it's Tubby we should have kept Pastner!

Tubby will be the best x and o coach Memphis has had since Kirk

Yep, and he can always take a good recruiter on board. The more I think about it the more I like it. Maybe it's just the realist in me but despite popular opinion there are no world beaters knocking down our door to become the next HC here.

This.

I've always heard just keeping the majority of the talent at home would pay dividends if they were really coached. We are about to find out.

(04-14-2016 08:48 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 07:12 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 07:08 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:24 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  If it's Tubby we should have kept Pastner!

Tubby will be the best x and o coach Memphis has had since Kirk

Yep, and he can always take a good recruiter on board. The more I think about it the more I like it. Maybe it's just the realist in me but despite popular opinion there are no world beaters knocking down our door to become the next HC here.

This.

I've always heard just keeping the majority of the talent at home would pay dividends if they were really coached. We are about to find out.

Why does everyone now just assume he's going to keep all the Memphis kids at home? The man doesn't like recruiting, and hates the AAU scene. Bodes well.....

(04-14-2016 08:50 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 08:48 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 07:12 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 07:08 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Tubby will be the best x and o coach Memphis has had since Kirk

Yep, and he can always take a good recruiter on board. The more I think about it the more I like it. Maybe it's just the realist in me but despite popular opinion there are no world beaters knocking down our door to become the next HC here.

This.

I've always heard just keeping the majority of the talent at home would pay dividends if they were really coached. We are about to find out.

Why does everyone now just assume he's going to keep all the Memphis kids at home? The man doesn't like recruiting, and hates the AAU scene. Bodes well.....

"All" does not equal "majority". Every coach has been able to keep the 'majority' of Memphis kids at home. Tubby will to.

(04-13-2016 01:27 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:22 PM)Merrick Wrote:  ...when has Memphis hired a "name" coach?

Cal was a perfect storm of him wanting to get back into coaching, he still had $$$ from the Nets contract, and RC gave him whatever he wanted.

Who else?

Memphis swung for Marshall, swung for Buzz.

Not being sarcastic, but who would you have preferred?

Forbes? I kinda agree, he may have done well here.

Pearl? His buy-out is $4M, and he's got everything he wants at Auburn. Plus, AU has P5 money flowing out the arse...

Who else?

you know rational posts have no place here.

I bet B renews his tickets.

(04-13-2016 01:33 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:22 PM)Merrick Wrote:  ...when has Memphis hired a "name" coach?

Cal was a perfect storm of him wanting to get back into coaching, he still had $$$ from the Nets contract, and RC gave him whatever he wanted.

Who else?

Memphis swung for Marshall, swung for Buzz.

Not being sarcastic, but who would you have preferred?

Forbes? I kinda agree, he may have done well here.

Pearl? His buy-out is $4M, and he's got everything he wants at Auburn. Plus, AU has P5 money flowing out the arse...

Who else?

I'm starting to think that Marshall and Buzz were never in the picture to begin with

You would be wrong.

(04-13-2016 01:41 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.

link?

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:32 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's the sort of hire a directionless school like Texas tech makes. Over the hill, name coach to make a splash. He's not going to be here for terribly long, max, what, 6 years? He's not on the upswing? He doesn't have any particularly innovative ideas, and he has a noticeable weakness (recruiting). I think we all think he's a very good x&o coach but I don't see how that makes up for the drawbacks. The person to hire needs to be younger and someone you could envision here for 10-15 years, for an era.

You go find the Shaka or Marshall BEFORE they become Shaka or Marshall. Those guys stay until a great job opens.

Forbes
Musselman
Keatts
McCall

Everything is a dice roll if you can't hire the big fish, but you do your due diligence and find the right fit - you find the guy who WANTS to be here.

Yeah, that didn't work out so well last time

(04-14-2016 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:32 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's the sort of hire a directionless school like Texas tech makes. Over the hill, name coach to make a splash. He's not going to be here for terribly long, max, what, 6 years? He's not on the upswing? He doesn't have any particularly innovative ideas, and he has a noticeable weakness (recruiting). I think we all think he's a very good x&o coach but I don't see how that makes up for the drawbacks. The person to hire needs to be younger and someone you could envision here for 10-15 years, for an era.

You go find the Shaka or Marshall BEFORE they become Shaka or Marshall. Those guys stay until a great job opens.

Forbes
Musselman
Keatts
McCall

Everything is a dice roll if you can't hire the big fish, but you do your due diligence and find the right fit - you find the guy who WANTS to be here.

Yeah, that didn't work out so well last time

Josh was third assistant.

These guys are running their own programs.

Not even the same ballpark.

I'd say nice try, but it wasn't.

(04-14-2016 11:03 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:32 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's the sort of hire a directionless school like Texas tech makes. Over the hill, name coach to make a splash. He's not going to be here for terribly long, max, what, 6 years? He's not on the upswing? He doesn't have any particularly innovative ideas, and he has a noticeable weakness (recruiting). I think we all think he's a very good x&o coach but I don't see how that makes up for the drawbacks. The person to hire needs to be younger and someone you could envision here for 10-15 years, for an era.

You go find the Shaka or Marshall BEFORE they become Shaka or Marshall. Those guys stay until a great job opens.

Forbes
Musselman
Keatts
McCall

Everything is a dice roll if you can't hire the big fish, but you do your due diligence and find the right fit - you find the guy who WANTS to be here.

Yeah, that didn't work out so well last time

Josh was third assistant.

These guys are running their own programs.

Not even the same ballpark.

I'd say nice try, but it wasn't.

(04-14-2016 06:27 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 06:15 AM)BigBlueTiger901 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:56 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  When has Memphis ever hired a guy who has been fired from his last two jobs?

Minnesota is a bad job in basketball. Even when that program is at it's best a top 5 conference ranking is unlikely. Plus, Tubby had them in the top 10 at one point during his final season and was fired after advancing in the NCAA tournament. Pitino won 25 games with Tubby's players, then 18, then 8 - program clearly in decline.

Tubby won 35 games with Rick Pitino's UK Upperclassmen (and a National Title) in his first year...then saw his win totals drop 28 then 23 then 24 then 22...

IN Tubby's last 8 years at UK...even with all the HUGE recruiting advantages of being at UK...Tubby could get past the 2nd round in half of those seasons...and never made it to a Final Four with his own players.

Sort of cherry-picking your stats...You realize in Cal's last 4 seasons, he hasn't gotten past the true 2nd round in half of those? And Cal didn't make the tourney one of those years. Tubby did every year. In fact, he's the only coach in UK's storied history to make the NCAA tourney every single season.

I would rather have had Buzz. But they decided they couldn't signup for another 6 year guaranteed contract. So I am good with Tubby. Solid fit for us.

(04-14-2016 06:34 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:42 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:41 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.

On top of all that he's a lousy recruiter

Tubby took two Memphis kids that Josh wasted to Minnesota.

True dat.

From what I am hearing from people who have been around Tubby - he can recruit.

(04-14-2016 08:47 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:23 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'd rather get Jim Calhoun if we're hiring an old X/O dude with a ring.

At least we know he can recruit.

tough &%@$ cause he ain't gonna play UConn/Ollie twice a year...if he takes a job, it'll be a northeast mid-major that's close to home.

He actually inquired at Memphis about the job 2 years ago. I would consider him. But at 73 and out of the game a few years - big difference between him and Tubby.

(04-14-2016 08:50 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 08:48 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 07:12 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 07:08 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Tubby will be the best x and o coach Memphis has had since Kirk

Yep, and he can always take a good recruiter on board. The more I think about it the more I like it. Maybe it's just the realist in me but despite popular opinion there are no world beaters knocking down our door to become the next HC here.

This.

I've always heard just keeping the majority of the talent at home would pay dividends if they were really coached. We are about to find out.

Why does everyone now just assume he's going to keep all the Memphis kids at home? The man doesn't like recruiting, and hates the AAU scene. Bodes well.....

Why do you think he doesn't like recruiting? If he didn't like it as much as some think, he would have gone NBA years ago. Instead, he's dedicated his life to college hoops.

And he has had some big recruiting success. It's just not every year - and it's not Cal, or K, or Self level success - at least not since he left UK.

I think any recruiting issues could be that he has had a fairly weak staff the past few years. And his discipline ball may not sit as well with some recruits today.

(04-14-2016 11:03 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:32 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's the sort of hire a directionless school like Texas tech makes. Over the hill, name coach to make a splash. He's not going to be here for terribly long, max, what, 6 years? He's not on the upswing? He doesn't have any particularly innovative ideas, and he has a noticeable weakness (recruiting). I think we all think he's a very good x&o coach but I don't see how that makes up for the drawbacks. The person to hire needs to be younger and someone you could envision here for 10-15 years, for an era.

You go find the Shaka or Marshall BEFORE they become Shaka or Marshall. Those guys stay until a great job opens.

Forbes
Musselman
Keatts
McCall

Everything is a dice roll if you can't hire the big fish, but you do your due diligence and find the right fit - you find the guy who WANTS to be here.

Yeah, that didn't work out so well last time

Josh was third assistant.

These guys are running their own programs.

Not even the same ballpark.

I'd say nice try, but it wasn't.

Point is, the gamble. None have high level D1 experience. Sure, not as much a gamble as Josh. But still a pretty significant gamble.

As much as many on here claim to "know" that Forbes would kill it here - we don't know that because he's never done that in D1 ball. Anywhere.

I would be okay with a gamble on Forbes. I was trying to stir interest for Majerle. But if we have other experienced choices, then that is another direction - and it's hard to argue against it based upon our last failed gamble.

(04-13-2016 01:31 PM)MTiger14 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:24 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  If it's Tubby we should have kept Pastner!

Take another moment to re-think this statement.

Yep let's not get carried away.

(04-14-2016 11:05 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 11:03 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:32 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's the sort of hire a directionless school like Texas tech makes. Over the hill, name coach to make a splash. He's not going to be here for terribly long, max, what, 6 years? He's not on the upswing? He doesn't have any particularly innovative ideas, and he has a noticeable weakness (recruiting). I think we all think he's a very good x&o coach but I don't see how that makes up for the drawbacks. The person to hire needs to be younger and someone you could envision here for 10-15 years, for an era.

You go find the Shaka or Marshall BEFORE they become Shaka or Marshall. Those guys stay until a great job opens.

Forbes
Musselman
Keatts
McCall

Everything is a dice roll if you can't hire the big fish, but you do your due diligence and find the right fit - you find the guy who WANTS to be here.

Yeah, that didn't work out so well last time

Josh was third assistant.

These guys are running their own programs.

Not even the same ballpark.

I'd say nice try, but it wasn't.

Chico