(04-13-2016 11:32 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's the sort of hire a directionless school like Texas tech makes. Over the hill, name coach to make a splash. He's not going to be here for terribly long, max, what, 6 years? He's not on the upswing? He doesn't have any particularly innovative ideas, and he has a noticeable weakness (recruiting). I think we all think he's a very good x&o coach but I don't see how that makes up for the drawbacks. The person to hire needs to be younger and someone you could envision here for 10-15 years, for an era.

You go find the Shaka or Marshall BEFORE they become Shaka or Marshall. Those guys stay until a great job opens.

Forbes
Musselman
Keatts
McCall

Everything is a dice roll if you can't hire the big fish, but you do your due diligence and find the right fit - you find the guy who WANTS to be here.

lol @ thinking Auburn would hold Pearl to his buyout.

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:32 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's the sort of hire a directionless school like Texas tech makes. Over the hill, name coach to make a splash. He's not going to be here for terribly long, max, what, 6 years? He's not on the upswing? He doesn't have any particularly innovative ideas, and he has a noticeable weakness (recruiting). I think we all think he's a very good x&o coach but I don't see how that makes up for the drawbacks. The person to hire needs to be younger and someone you could envision here for 10-15 years, for an era.

You go find the Shaka or Marshall BEFORE they become Shaka or Marshall. Those guys stay until a great job opens.

Forbes
Musselman
Keatts
McCall

Everything is a dice roll if you can't hire the big fish, but you do your due diligence and find the right fit - you find the guy who WANTS to be here.

I agree. Merrick is right, our history shows we can't hire the Shakas or Marshall's after they hit it big. We never have before. Our only option is to take a chance on a low level head coach or an assistant.

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:32 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's the sort of hire a directionless school like Texas tech makes. Over the hill, name coach to make a splash. He's not going to be here for terribly long, max, what, 6 years? He's not on the upswing? He doesn't have any particularly innovative ideas, and he has a noticeable weakness (recruiting). I think we all think he's a very good x&o coach but I don't see how that makes up for the drawbacks. The person to hire needs to be younger and someone you could envision here for 10-15 years, for an era.

You go find the Shaka or Marshall BEFORE they become Shaka or Marshall. Those guys stay until a great job opens.

Forbes
Musselman
Keatts
McCall

Everything is a dice roll if you can't hire the big fish, but you do your due diligence and find the right fit - you find the guy who WANTS to be here.

^^^THIS^^^

(04-13-2016 01:22 PM)Merrick Wrote:  ...when has Memphis hired a "name" coach?

Cal was a perfect storm of him wanting to get back into coaching, he still had $$$ from the Nets contract, and RC gave him whatever he wanted.

Who else?

Memphis swung for Marshall, swung for Buzz.

Not being sarcastic, but who would you have preferred?

Forbes? I kinda agree, he may have done well here.

Pearl? His buy-out is $4M, and he's got everything he wants at Auburn. Plus, AU has P5 money flowing out the arse...

Who else?

We have never made 2 bad hires in a row. I think under current situation doing so could set our program back over a decade. Our BB situation is different now. That's why I thought the powers that be would land Marshall, Williams or A. Miller. But I think the shift in emphasis to football guides this hire in many ways.

We must hope it works out well or the money machine that has kept football from being de-emphasized at some point (had The subsidies not been there) will go away.

(04-13-2016 01:41 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.

If he just wants HS kids from Memphis...he won't have to do much...as just use the local AAU/HS Coach connections and let them do all the work.

That's the good and bad of UM recruiting mostly local HS players...as you don't have to go far or even work hard to get them...but many come with soooo much baggage with all their local tentacles.

(04-13-2016 01:56 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  When has Memphis ever hired a guy who has been fired from his last two jobs?

Minnesota is a bad job in basketball. Even when that program is at it's best a top 5 conference ranking is unlikely. Plus, Tubby had them in the top 10 at one point during his final season and was fired after advancing in the NCAA tournament. Pitino won 25 games with Tubby's players, then 18, then 8 - program clearly in decline.

Minnesota has only been to the tournament 12 times and 3 of those were under Tubby. Half of their appearances in the last 20 years were Tubby's.

His results at Kentucky weren't horrible. He never lost a first round game. Made the tournament every year. 4 of the ten years he made the elite 8, 6 of the 10 years he made the sweet 16, and he won a national title.

Every program that wasn't a dead end job he has coached - they've gone to the sweet 16 or further.

With the talent coming in future local classes, he will be fine. However, he needs to hire a talented driven recruiter.

(04-13-2016 01:23 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'd rather get Jim Calhoun if we're hiring an old X/O dude with a ring.

At least we know he can recruit.

And cheat.

(04-14-2016 06:15 AM)BigBlueTiger901 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:56 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  When has Memphis ever hired a guy who has been fired from his last two jobs?

Minnesota is a bad job in basketball. Even when that program is at it's best a top 5 conference ranking is unlikely. Plus, Tubby had them in the top 10 at one point during his final season and was fired after advancing in the NCAA tournament. Pitino won 25 games with Tubby's players, then 18, then 8 - program clearly in decline.

Tubby won 35 games with Rick Pitino's UK Upperclassmen (and a National Title) in his first year...then saw his win totals drop 28 then 23 then 24 then 22...

IN Tubby's last 8 years at UK...even with all the HUGE recruiting advantages of being at UK...Tubby could get past the 2nd round in half of those seasons...and never made it to a Final Four with his own players.

(04-14-2016 06:27 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 06:15 AM)BigBlueTiger901 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:56 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  When has Memphis ever hired a guy who has been fired from his last two jobs?

Minnesota is a bad job in basketball. Even when that program is at it's best a top 5 conference ranking is unlikely. Plus, Tubby had them in the top 10 at one point during his final season and was fired after advancing in the NCAA tournament. Pitino won 25 games with Tubby's players, then 18, then 8 - program clearly in decline.

Tubby won 35 games with Rick Pitino's UK Upperclassmen (and a National Title) in his first year...then saw his win totals drop 28 then 23 then 24 then 22...

IN Tubby's last 8 years at UK...even with all the HUGE recruiting advantages of being at UK...Tubby could get past the 2nd round in half of those seasons...and never made it to a Final Four with his own players.

I'm talking about Richard Pitino who took over for Tubby at Minnesota.

Comparing Tubby to Rick or Calipari isn't realistic. We aren't hiring a Rick or a Cal this time around. They are in a class of their own.

(04-13-2016 01:42 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:41 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.Tubby can't/won't recruit.

On top of all that he's a lousy recruiter

Tubby took two Memphis kids that Josh wasted to Minnesota.

(04-13-2016 01:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:22 PM)Merrick Wrote:  ...when has Memphis hired a "name" coach?

Cal was a perfect storm of him wanting to get back into coaching, he still had $$$ from the Nets contract, and RC gave him whatever he wanted.

Who else?

Memphis swung for Marshall, swung for Buzz.

Not being sarcastic, but who would you have preferred?

Forbes? I kinda agree, he may have done well here.

Pearl? His buy-out is $4M, and he's got everything he wants at Auburn. Plus, AU has P5 money flowing out the arse...

Who else?

Forbes was my #3 choice after Marshall & Buzz.

If we really did do what was necessary for Marshall & Buzz and got turned down, so be it. I just don't want to hear later that we brought a knife to a gun fight with those two, and could have had one or the other.

You mean they werent impressed with our pamphlets?

(04-13-2016 01:24 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  If it's Tubby we should have kept Pastner!

I've read a lot of stupid things here, that statement is right up there with the most stupid of them.

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:24 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  If it's Tubby we should have kept Pastner!

Tubby will be the best x and o coach Memphis has had since Kirk

Yep, and he can always take a good recruiter on board. The more I think about it the more I like it. Maybe it's just the realist in me but despite popular opinion there are no world beaters knocking down our door to become the next HC here.

(04-14-2016 01:06 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:22 PM)Merrick Wrote:  ...when has Memphis hired a "name" coach?

Cal was a perfect storm of him wanting to get back into coaching, he still had $$$ from the Nets contract, and RC gave him whatever he wanted.

Who else?

Memphis swung for Marshall, swung for Buzz.

Not being sarcastic, but who would you have preferred?

Forbes? I kinda agree, he may have done well here.

Pearl? His buy-out is $4M, and he's got everything he wants at Auburn. Plus, AU has P5 money flowing out the arse...

Who else?

We have never made 2 bad hires in a row. I think under current situation doing so could set our program back over a decade. Our BB situation is different now. That's why I thought the powers that be would land Marshall, Williams or A. Miller. But I think the shift in emphasis to football guides this hire in many ways.

We must hope it works out well or the money machine that has kept football from being de-emphasized at some point (had The subsidies not been there) will go away.

Why would you think we could hire away a big name coach from somewhere else?

(04-14-2016 06:15 AM)BigBlueTiger901 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:56 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  When has Memphis ever hired a guy who has been fired from his last two jobs?

Minnesota is a bad job in basketball. Even when that program is at it's best a top 5 conference ranking is unlikely. Plus, Tubby had them in the top 10 at one point during his final season and was fired after advancing in the NCAA tournament. Pitino won 25 games with Tubby's players, then 18, then 8 - program clearly in decline.

Minnesota has only been to the tournament 12 times and 3 of those were under Tubby. Half of their appearances in the last 20 years were Tubby's.

His results at Kentucky weren't horrible. He never lost a first round game. Made the tournament every year. 4 of the ten years he made the elite 8, 6 of the 10 years he made the sweet 16, and he won a national title.

Every program that wasn't a dead end job he has coached - they've gone to the sweet 16 or further.

With the talent coming in future local classes, he will be fine. However, he needs to hire a talented driven recruiter.

Making sense here is highly frowned on you know?

(04-14-2016 07:08 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:38 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 01:24 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  If it's Tubby we should have kept Pastner!

Tubby will be the best x and o coach Memphis has had since Kirk

Yep, and he can always take a good recruiter on board. The more I think about it the more I like it. Maybe it's just the realist in me but despite popular opinion there are no world beaters knocking down our door to become the next HC here.

This.

(04-13-2016 01:22 PM)Merrick Wrote:  ...when has Memphis hired a "name" coach?

Cal was a perfect storm of him wanting to get back into coaching, he still had $$$ from the Nets contract, and RC gave him whatever he wanted.

Who else?

Memphis swung for Marshall, swung for Buzz.

Not being sarcastic, but who would you have preferred?

Forbes? I kinda agree, he may have done well here.

Pearl? His buy-out is $4M, and he's got everything he wants at Auburn. Plus, AU has P5 money flowing out the arse...

Who else?

Did we ever speak to either?

(04-13-2016 01:23 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'd rather get Jim Calhoun if we're hiring an old X/O dude with a ring.

At least we know he can recruit.

tough &%@$ cause he ain't gonna play UConn/Ollie twice a year...if he takes a job, it'll be a northeast mid-major that's close to home.

(04-13-2016 01:22 PM)Merrick Wrote:  ...when has Memphis hired a "name" coach?

Cal was a perfect storm of him wanting to get back into coaching, he still had $$$ from the Nets contract, and RC gave him whatever he wanted.

Who else?

Memphis swung for Marshall, swung for Buzz.

Not being sarcastic, but who would you have preferred?

Forbes? I kinda agree, he may have done well here.

Pearl? His buy-out is $4M, and he's got everything he wants at Auburn. Plus, AU has P5 money flowing out the arse...

Who else?

I mean, REM is a "name" band but they haven't done anything worthwhile in 20 years.