(04-11-2016 12:39 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:07 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  The real issue is the 6 win minimum and the P5 schools having too many tie-ins for every conference. Make it 7 wins and limit the number of tie-ins for each conference to half the number of teams they have and the problem would be fixed.

They're not going to 7 games.

Thats' a bold statement.

He's right IMHO. We have already seen it. The bowls are going to take a 6-6 P5 team over a 7-5 or perhaps even an 8-4 G5 team. If they go to a 7 win metric, then they are going to push out a lot of 6-6 P5 teams.

For instance, last year the P5 would have had 9 less teams in the bowl picture (7 with 6-6 records and 2 with 5-7 records). They are not going to allow those teams to stay home and let a G5 get the exposure and money.

(04-11-2016 07:41 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Thank goodness... it was getting out of hand. (sorry txst)

Not to worry. It's not something that will likely crop up before the moratorium is lifted. Our "Spring Game" was a, more or less, O vs D practice because we didn't have more than 11 guys on O to field 2 teams for an actual scrimmage type game and the ones we did were not even remotely close to impressive. We lost a ton of O to graduation and attrition. We could be depending on a lot of incoming freshmen and JUCOs come Fall.

Winning 6 games this year will be a miracle. Fran left us in a bad place.

(04-11-2016 01:30 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 07:41 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Thank goodness... it was getting out of hand. (sorry txst)

Not to worry. It's not something that will likely crop up before the moratorium is lifted. Our "Spring Game" was a, more or less, O vs D practice because we didn't have more than 11 guys on O to field 2 teams for an actual scrimmage type game and the ones we did were not even remotely close to impressive. We lost a ton of O to graduation and attrition. We could be depending on a lot of incoming freshmen and JUCOs come Fall.

Winning 6 games this year will be a miracle. Fran left us in a bad place.

Please tell me you're exaggerating. If not, that is awful! I hope you guys can put a little something together in the fall....

(04-11-2016 01:35 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:30 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 07:41 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Thank goodness... it was getting out of hand. (sorry txst)

Not to worry. It's not something that will likely crop up before the moratorium is lifted. Our "Spring Game" was a, more or less, O vs D practice because we didn't have more than 11 guys on O to field 2 teams for an actual scrimmage type game and the ones we did were not even remotely close to impressive. We lost a ton of O to graduation and attrition. We could be depending on a lot of incoming freshmen and JUCOs come Fall.

Winning 6 games this year will be a miracle. Fran left us in a bad place.

Please tell me you're exaggerating. If not, that is awful! I hope you guys can put a little something together in the fall....

Basically what Withers said (and has said) and some in attendance stated that a lot of the same OLine guys played all 120 snaps and TJones was running for his life the whole time. Take that how you will.
(also, ton of new WR, RBs and position changes from D to O)


We do have our Sr Guard coming back, who was injured vs ULM, in the Fall.

(04-11-2016 01:39 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:35 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:30 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 07:41 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Thank goodness... it was getting out of hand. (sorry txst)

Not to worry. It's not something that will likely crop up before the moratorium is lifted. Our "Spring Game" was a, more or less, O vs D practice because we didn't have more than 11 guys on O to field 2 teams for an actual scrimmage type game and the ones we did were not even remotely close to impressive. We lost a ton of O to graduation and attrition. We could be depending on a lot of incoming freshmen and JUCOs come Fall.

Winning 6 games this year will be a miracle. Fran left us in a bad place.

Please tell me you're exaggerating. If not, that is awful! I hope you guys can put a little something together in the fall....

Basically what Withers said (and has said) and some in attendance stated that a lot of the same OLine guys played all 120 snaps and TJones was running for his life the whole time. Take that how you will.
(also, ton of new WR, RBs and position changes from D to O)


We do have our Sr Guard coming back, who was injured vs ULM, in the Fall.

Sounds like Fran really Franned you. Hopefully you can develop some depth. And perhaps play at a slow tempo until you can develop some depth.

(04-11-2016 01:52 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:39 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:35 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:30 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 07:41 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Thank goodness... it was getting out of hand. (sorry txst)

Not to worry. It's not something that will likely crop up before the moratorium is lifted. Our "Spring Game" was a, more or less, O vs D practice because we didn't have more than 11 guys on O to field 2 teams for an actual scrimmage type game and the ones we did were not even remotely close to impressive. We lost a ton of O to graduation and attrition. We could be depending on a lot of incoming freshmen and JUCOs come Fall.

Winning 6 games this year will be a miracle. Fran left us in a bad place.

Please tell me you're exaggerating. If not, that is awful! I hope you guys can put a little something together in the fall....

Basically what Withers said (and has said) and some in attendance stated that a lot of the same OLine guys played all 120 snaps and TJones was running for his life the whole time. Take that how you will.
(also, ton of new WR, RBs and position changes from D to O)


We do have our Sr Guard coming back, who was injured vs ULM, in the Fall.

Sounds like Fran really Franned you. Hopefully you can develop some depth. And perhaps play at a slow tempo until you can develop some depth.

In fairness, Fran gets most of the credit/blame (depending on your point of view). . .

We then had some linemen walk away cause they didn't care for the "New Sheriff" (in town), and the demands he was making . . . .

IMHO, while it's tough losing linemen you need, better they walk away now if they're not willing to meet the new expectations . . .

So yeah, we're not in a good place right now. . . . Keeping the Faith though,

Great Day to be a Bobcat!

(04-11-2016 01:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 12:39 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:07 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  The real issue is the 6 win minimum and the P5 schools having too many tie-ins for every conference. Make it 7 wins and limit the number of tie-ins for each conference to half the number of teams they have and the problem would be fixed.

They're not going to 7 games.

Thats' a bold statement.

He's right IMHO. We have already seen it. The bowls are going to take a 6-6 P5 team over a 7-5 or perhaps even an 8-4 G5 team. If they go to a 7 win metric, then they are going to push out a lot of 6-6 P5 teams.

For instance, last year the P5 would have had 9 less teams in the bowl picture (7 with 6-6 records and 2 with 5-7 records). They are not going to allow those teams to stay home and let a G5 get the exposure and money.

The bowls take 6-6 teams because there are too many stinking bowls. There are 65 P5 teams including ND and 65 G5 including Army, 66 with the addition of Coastal. BYU holds the tie breaker and there's no telling which way that crowd would vote. Probably be a good chip to hold as admission into a P5 league. IF, and I realize it's a great big if, the G5 guys would stick together they could probably force a vote on 7-5 to be bowl eligible.

(04-11-2016 12:21 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:13 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  The bowl game Georgia Southern played in last year wasn't started until 1999.

Without new bowls, how are teams going to get rewarded for having seasons?

I'd like to have a season...

(04-11-2016 06:35 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 12:39 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:07 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  The real issue is the 6 win minimum and the P5 schools having too many tie-ins for every conference. Make it 7 wins and limit the number of tie-ins for each conference to half the number of teams they have and the problem would be fixed.

They're not going to 7 games.

Thats' a bold statement.

He's right IMHO. We have already seen it. The bowls are going to take a 6-6 P5 team over a 7-5 or perhaps even an 8-4 G5 team. If they go to a 7 win metric, then they are going to push out a lot of 6-6 P5 teams.

For instance, last year the P5 would have had 9 less teams in the bowl picture (7 with 6-6 records and 2 with 5-7 records). They are not going to allow those teams to stay home and let a G5 get the exposure and money.

The bowls take 6-6 teams because there are too many stinking bowls. There are 65 P5 teams including ND and 65 G5 including Army, 66 with the addition of Coastal. BYU holds the tie breaker and there's no telling which way that crowd would vote. Probably be a good chip to hold as admission into a P5 league. IF, and I realize it's a great big if, the G5 guys would stick together they could probably force a vote on 7-5 to be bowl eligible.

Has the G5 ever voted together as a bloc on anything?

How about we stop pointing guns at fans heads and forcing them to watch bowl games between 6-6 G5s. Let everyone choose which bowls to watch. You don't like a bowl matchup, don't watch it.

(04-11-2016 05:50 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:52 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:39 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:35 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:30 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Not to worry. It's not something that will likely crop up before the moratorium is lifted. Our "Spring Game" was a, more or less, O vs D practice because we didn't have more than 11 guys on O to field 2 teams for an actual scrimmage type game and the ones we did were not even remotely close to impressive. We lost a ton of O to graduation and attrition. We could be depending on a lot of incoming freshmen and JUCOs come Fall.

Winning 6 games this year will be a miracle. Fran left us in a bad place.

Please tell me you're exaggerating. If not, that is awful! I hope you guys can put a little something together in the fall....

Basically what Withers said (and has said) and some in attendance stated that a lot of the same OLine guys played all 120 snaps and TJones was running for his life the whole time. Take that how you will.
(also, ton of new WR, RBs and position changes from D to O)


We do have our Sr Guard coming back, who was injured vs ULM, in the Fall.

Sounds like Fran really Franned you. Hopefully you can develop some depth. And perhaps play at a slow tempo until you can develop some depth.

In fairness, Fran gets most of the credit/blame (depending on your point of view). . .

We then had some linemen walk away cause they didn't care for the "New Sheriff" (in town), and the demands he was making . . . .

IMHO, while it's tough losing linemen you need, better they walk away now if they're not willing to meet the new expectations . . .

So yeah, we're not in a good place right now. . . . Keeping the Faith though,

Great Day to be a Bobcat!

Sometimes the best thing for the program is for those people to leave.

(04-11-2016 06:35 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 12:39 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:07 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  The real issue is the 6 win minimum and the P5 schools having too many tie-ins for every conference. Make it 7 wins and limit the number of tie-ins for each conference to half the number of teams they have and the problem would be fixed.

They're not going to 7 games.

Thats' a bold statement.

He's right IMHO. We have already seen it. The bowls are going to take a 6-6 P5 team over a 7-5 or perhaps even an 8-4 G5 team. If they go to a 7 win metric, then they are going to push out a lot of 6-6 P5 teams.

For instance, last year the P5 would have had 9 less teams in the bowl picture (7 with 6-6 records and 2 with 5-7 records). They are not going to allow those teams to stay home and let a G5 get the exposure and money.

The bowls take 6-6 teams because there are too many stinking bowls. There are 65 P5 teams including ND and 65 G5 including Army, 66 with the addition of Coastal. BYU holds the tie breaker and there's no telling which way that crowd would vote. Probably be a good chip to hold as admission into a P5 league. IF, and I realize it's a great big if, the G5 guys would stick together they could probably force a vote on 7-5 to be bowl eligible.

I doubt it and here is why.
Delany floated 7 a couple years ago at some big meeting by the time he got back to B1G offices he was suddenly saying that there needed to be accommodation for 6 win teams that hadn't been to a bowl in some time.

That dynamic is going to play out in every conference.

(04-11-2016 07:36 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  How about we stop pointing guns at fans heads and forcing them to watch bowl games between 6-6 G5s. Let everyone choose which bowls to watch. You don't like a bowl matchup, don't watch it.

This! This is why we should all be pro gun to keep those ESPN execs from coming in in our homes and forcing us to watch those games.

It is funny listening to Sun Belt fans complain about too many bowls...The first conference to be left out of a bowl with a winning record would likely be a Sun Belt team. It is all great to be on that high horse until a 6-6 Wake Forest teams makes it in over a 8-4 Sun Belt team. Which is exactly what would happen if a good amount of bowls go away. This is why it will never be moved up to 7 or 8 wins. ESPN does not want to put in a 7-5 or 8-4 G-5 team over a 6-6 SEC team ever.

Unless we go back to just a handful of bowls what does it matter? Honestly if having 20 bowls vs. 30 bowls really bothers you, you must live a miserable life when you let something so trivial actually bother you. Quit being a sports talk radio rabble rousing fool.

It's like somebody threatening to burn down your house and you hand them a pack of matches. The G5 needs those bowls for exposure and recruiting and the extra practice time. Also I know this does not matter to some but it is also just to flat out reward the actual kids on the team for a good season. Ask some TXST upperclassmen if they would like more or less bowls.

(04-11-2016 06:35 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 01:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 12:39 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:07 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  The real issue is the 6 win minimum and the P5 schools having too many tie-ins for every conference. Make it 7 wins and limit the number of tie-ins for each conference to half the number of teams they have and the problem would be fixed.

They're not going to 7 games.

Thats' a bold statement.

He's right IMHO. We have already seen it. The bowls are going to take a 6-6 P5 team over a 7-5 or perhaps even an 8-4 G5 team. If they go to a 7 win metric, then they are going to push out a lot of 6-6 P5 teams.

For instance, last year the P5 would have had 9 less teams in the bowl picture (7 with 6-6 records and 2 with 5-7 records). They are not going to allow those teams to stay home and let a G5 get the exposure and money.

The bowls take 6-6 teams because there are too many stinking bowls. There are 65 P5 teams including ND and 65 G5 including Army, 66 with the addition of Coastal. BYU holds the tie breaker and there's no telling which way that crowd would vote. Probably be a good chip to hold as admission into a P5 league. IF, and I realize it's a great big if, the G5 guys would stick together they could probably force a vote on 7-5 to be bowl eligible.

I agree that there are too many, but I'm pretty sure the votes are done by conference and not individual schools and the P5's count as two and G5's one. So even if all G5's stuck together it would still be 10-5 in favor of the P5.

Sometimes we open our mouths and out comes the rhetoric of the P5 ... And we don't even realize it.

Too many Bowls? To many for who? They don't watch our regular season games, why is it important that they would want to watch any of us in a bowl? It isn't, they don't. It is for our players, our fans, our exposure, our TV money, our recruiting and our post season fun. They'd rather us watch their six win teams than our own 8 win teams, and it sounds like some of you agree with them.

CUSA probably loves this ban. That should tell us something.

(04-12-2016 09:40 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Sometimes we open our mouths and out comes the rhetoric of the P5 ... And we don't even realize it.

Too many Bowls? To many for who? They don't watch our regular season games, why is it important that they would want to watch any of us in a bowl? It isn't, they don't. It is for our players, our fans, our exposure, our TV money, our recruiting and our post season fun. They'd rather us watch their six win teams than our own 8 win teams, and it sounds like some of you agree with them.

CUSA probably loves this ban. That should tell us something.

Yep.

I am as upset about too many bowls as they were upset about an 8-win SBC team sitting at home.

This ban only hurts one conference. The Sun Belt. No one else needs another bowl game, some have too many already.

The number is fine, or a few too many. The problem is distribution. But this is also about money. The bowl sponsor and host city want teams that will bring fans to the city and viewers on tv. If we could somehow get one western bowl game to drop one other conference and sign us it would be great. Especially if that game was in Texas. I'm hoping that the SBC grows in the next few years and proves to be a better product (more wins,fans, and tv viewers) to get a bowl to drop a cusa team and pick an SBC team.

You can never have too many bowls.


But I'm a bowl junkie. Probably not the most unbiased opinion out there.

(04-12-2016 09:40 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Sometimes we open our mouths and out comes the rhetoric of the P5 ... And we don't even realize it.

Too many Bowls? To many for who? They don't watch our regular season games, why is it important that they would want to watch any of us in a bowl? It isn't, they don't. It is for our players, our fans, our exposure, our TV money, our recruiting and our post season fun. They'd rather us watch their six win teams than our own 8 win teams, and it sounds like some of you agree with them.

CUSA probably loves this ban. That should tell us something.

(04-11-2016 09:51 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm okay with that for now. I think if you get to 6 wins, even from the Belt, you're probably bowling now. No moratorium is better for us, but I'm not sure that this is going to hurt us in most years going forward.

But I imagine that a Bowl could be 'taken' from an existing city if the choose to stop supporting it (Tuscon/Nassau) or there are political issues arise like the situation in South Carolina and the Confederate flag (now resolved).

Charlotte's bowl is in line to be pulled.