(04-09-2016 10:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  This is a manipulated argument.

There are all sorts of people who voted for candidates who are no longer running. If nobody reaches 1237, They and their delegates deserve a chance to be heard. This isn't some new 'anti Trump' rule, but it has been the rile for a long time. Those who want to forget that rule are the ones trying to 'cheat' the system.

I'm not in favor of the system, but my solution involves getting rid of the two party system altogether. How is it any less 'wrong' to change the rules to nominate Trump than it is to nominate Cruz or anyone else?

If Trump is so popular, he will be nominated. Unfortunately his popularity is strong, but so is his unpopularity... and that is something he has embraced. Too bad his supporters don't.

The only candidate that suspended a campaign but won delegates that I'm aware of is rubio. If a candidate is short of 1237, but has more delegates than the rest of the candidates combined, then if that candidate loses the nomination then it's thwarting the will of the people. It's clear that establishment prefer someone besides Trump or Cruz.

(04-09-2016 10:42 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 10:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  This is a manipulated argument.

There are all sorts of people who voted for candidates who are no longer running. If nobody reaches 1237, They and their delegates deserve a chance to be heard. This isn't some new 'anti Trump' rule, but it has been the rile for a long time. Those who want to forget that rule are the ones trying to 'cheat' the system.

I'm not in favor of the system, but my solution involves getting rid of the two party system altogether. How is it any less 'wrong' to change the rules to nominate Trump than it is to nominate Cruz or anyone else?

If Trump is so popular, he will be nominated. Unfortunately his popularity is strong, but so is his unpopularity... and that is something he has embraced. Too bad his supporters don't.

The only candidate that suspended a campaign but won delegates that I'm aware of is rubio. If a candidate is short of 1237, but has more delegates than the rest of the candidates combined, then if that candidate loses the nomination then it's thwarting the will of the people. It's clear that establishment prefer someone besides Trump or Cruz.

another, another...

(04-09-2016 10:42 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 10:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  This is a manipulated argument.

There are all sorts of people who voted for candidates who are no longer running. If nobody reaches 1237, They and their delegates deserve a chance to be heard. This isn't some new 'anti Trump' rule, but it has been the rile for a long time. Those who want to forget that rule are the ones trying to 'cheat' the system.

I'm not in favor of the system, but my solution involves getting rid of the two party system altogether. How is it any less 'wrong' to change the rules to nominate Trump than it is to nominate Cruz or anyone else?

If Trump is so popular, he will be nominated. Unfortunately his popularity is strong, but so is his unpopularity... and that is something he has embraced. Too bad his supporters don't.

The only candidate that suspended a campaign but won delegates that I'm aware of is rubio. If a candidate is short of 1237, but has more delegates than the rest of the candidates combined, then if that candidate loses the nomination then it's thwarting the will of the people. It's clear that establishment prefer someone besides Trump or Cruz.

Of course they do, but the fact is that general Joe republican voter is fed up with "Establishment Republican Politician" as evidenced by both Trump and Cruz far outpolling any establishment candidate. They feel that way because the establishment politicians have promised one course of action, but practiced little more than "Democrat Lite".

As far as I'm concerned, the establishment can eat it - their actions have led to where we stand today. F__k'em.

If Trump is not the nominee, Trumpians walk. Have fun with Hilldawg for 4 years.

(04-09-2016 11:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If Trump is not the nominee, Trumpians walk. Have fun with Hilldawg for 4 years.

If Trump wins the nominee.....Have fun with Hilldawg for 4 years

(04-09-2016 08:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:25 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:06 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:05 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  As has been said many times before....

They don't give you all the powerball money if you're one number off

Well said.

Trump has been given everything his entire life, so you will soon see what happens when a spoiled brat doesn't get their way. I hope you've got your popcorn ready.

False analogy. If he goes into the convention with the most delegates based on the primary voting results, then him not getting the nomination in the end is sticking it in the eye of the majority. Right now, no one appears to be going into the convention with the magic number. Therefore, the same candidates who are not named Trump failed to get the number also. No matter how you spin this, the process will be tainted if the one going into the convention does not get the nomination - unless the leader in delegates chooses to apply them to an alternative candidate. Same if Cruz eclipses Trump going into the convention. Then Cruz deserves the mantle.

You guys don't get it. The margin for error is not there anymore. If the people feel like they were shut out in the end, then it's game over. The voters no longer subscribe to the "lesser of two evils" theory of voting. I think most of us now see that the D's and R's have little difference to them in practice. Therefore, both parties are evil in the end.

I don't think you know what majority means.

If no one gets 1237 (a majority), it isn't just given to Trump. It goes to an open convention, which is where Cruz's superior ground game (vs. Trump's non-existent one) shines. Cruz has put in the work, Trump just wants it to be handed to him. At that point, Trump has no one to blame but himself.

"It's not the will to win that matters. ... It's the will to prepare to win that matters."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant

http://www.lowellsun.com/opinion/ci_2973...down-trump

Millions more voted for Trump. If he's not the nominee there will be violence in Cleveland. Lots of it.

(04-09-2016 11:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:25 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:06 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:05 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  As has been said many times before....

They don't give you all the powerball money if you're one number off

Well said.

Trump has been given everything his entire life, so you will soon see what happens when a spoiled brat doesn't get their way. I hope you've got your popcorn ready.

False analogy. If he goes into the convention with the most delegates based on the primary voting results, then him not getting the nomination in the end is sticking it in the eye of the majority. Right now, no one appears to be going into the convention with the magic number. Therefore, the same candidates who are not named Trump failed to get the number also. No matter how you spin this, the process will be tainted if the one going into the convention does not get the nomination - unless the leader in delegates chooses to apply them to an alternative candidate. Same if Cruz eclipses Trump going into the convention. Then Cruz deserves the mantle.

You guys don't get it. The margin for error is not there anymore. If the people feel like they were shut out in the end, then it's game over. The voters no longer subscribe to the "lesser of two evils" theory of voting. I think most of us now see that the D's and R's have little difference to them in practice. Therefore, both parties are evil in the end.

I don't think you know what majority means.

If no one gets 1237 (a majority), it isn't just given to Trump. It goes to an open convention, which is where Cruz's superior ground game (vs. Trump's non-existent one) shines. Cruz has put in the work, Trump just wants it to be handed to him. At that point, Trump has no one to blame but himself.

"It's not the will to win that matters. ... It's the will to prepare to win that matters."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant

http://www.lowellsun.com/opinion/ci_2973...down-trump

Millions more voted for Trump. If he's not the nominee there will be violence in Cleveland. Lots of it.

Trump voters are a bunch of thugs

(04-09-2016 11:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If Trump is not the nominee, Trumpians walk. Have fun with Hilldawg for 4 years.

Three Dollar Bill for President?

(04-09-2016 09:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 07:56 PM)Kronke Wrote:  A lot of drama over nothing. Unless Trump reaches 1237, nothing is being "stolen" from him, because he hasn't won anything to "steal". He and his supporters are just getting desperate, because they see the writing on the wall that he isn't going to reach 1237. Trump will soon go full on kamikaze (proving all his skeptics right), but all he will really do is flame out, and the GOP will coalesce behind Cruz/Kasich.

Exactly, though I much prefer Walker to Kasich. Nothing happens without a majority and I don't think Trump has gotten a majority in a single state, though that should change in New York.

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Walker cant beat Hillary...Kasich can. Other than that? I like SW.

(04-09-2016 11:19 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:25 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:06 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Well said.

Trump has been given everything his entire life, so you will soon see what happens when a spoiled brat doesn't get their way. I hope you've got your popcorn ready.

False analogy. If he goes into the convention with the most delegates based on the primary voting results, then him not getting the nomination in the end is sticking it in the eye of the majority. Right now, no one appears to be going into the convention with the magic number. Therefore, the same candidates who are not named Trump failed to get the number also. No matter how you spin this, the process will be tainted if the one going into the convention does not get the nomination - unless the leader in delegates chooses to apply them to an alternative candidate. Same if Cruz eclipses Trump going into the convention. Then Cruz deserves the mantle.

You guys don't get it. The margin for error is not there anymore. If the people feel like they were shut out in the end, then it's game over. The voters no longer subscribe to the "lesser of two evils" theory of voting. I think most of us now see that the D's and R's have little difference to them in practice. Therefore, both parties are evil in the end.

I don't think you know what majority means.

If no one gets 1237 (a majority), it isn't just given to Trump. It goes to an open convention, which is where Cruz's superior ground game (vs. Trump's non-existent one) shines. Cruz has put in the work, Trump just wants it to be handed to him. At that point, Trump has no one to blame but himself.

"It's not the will to win that matters. ... It's the will to prepare to win that matters."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant

http://www.lowellsun.com/opinion/ci_2973...down-trump

Millions more voted for Trump. If he's not the nominee there will be violence in Cleveland. Lots of it.

Trump voters are a bunch of thugs

That is of course as much hyperbole as saying Sanders supporters are Commies.

(04-09-2016 11:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:19 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:25 PM)miko33 Wrote:  False analogy. If he goes into the convention with the most delegates based on the primary voting results, then him not getting the nomination in the end is sticking it in the eye of the majority. Right now, no one appears to be going into the convention with the magic number. Therefore, the same candidates who are not named Trump failed to get the number also. No matter how you spin this, the process will be tainted if the one going into the convention does not get the nomination - unless the leader in delegates chooses to apply them to an alternative candidate. Same if Cruz eclipses Trump going into the convention. Then Cruz deserves the mantle.

You guys don't get it. The margin for error is not there anymore. If the people feel like they were shut out in the end, then it's game over. The voters no longer subscribe to the "lesser of two evils" theory of voting. I think most of us now see that the D's and R's have little difference to them in practice. Therefore, both parties are evil in the end.

I don't think you know what majority means.

If no one gets 1237 (a majority), it isn't just given to Trump. It goes to an open convention, which is where Cruz's superior ground game (vs. Trump's non-existent one) shines. Cruz has put in the work, Trump just wants it to be handed to him. At that point, Trump has no one to blame but himself.

"It's not the will to win that matters. ... It's the will to prepare to win that matters."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant

http://www.lowellsun.com/opinion/ci_2973...down-trump

Millions more voted for Trump. If he's not the nominee there will be violence in Cleveland. Lots of it.

Trump voters are a bunch of thugs

That is of course as much hyperbole as saying Sanders supporters are Commies.

If trump supporters started rioting in Cleveland and brought all that violence, what would you call them?

(04-09-2016 11:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If Trump is not the nominee, Trumpians walk. Have fun with Hilldawg for 4 years.

It will depend upon the alternative. I would not make that blanket of a statement. It is still very early and there is a lot of time before the convention. Hell...It would not surprise me at all to see this "windbag with a bankroll" destroy himself before the convention and at that point ALL bets are off. I think that is what Kasich is banking on.

(04-10-2016 12:03 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If Trump is not the nominee, Trumpians walk. Have fun with Hilldawg for 4 years.

It will depend upon the alternative. I would not make that blanket of a statement. It is still very early and there is a lot of time before the convention. Hell...It would not surprise me at all to see this "windbag with a bankroll" destroy himself before the convention and at that point ALL bets are off. I think that is what Kasich is banking on.

I'm just waiting to see if they would be called "rioters" or "thugs." But then again I think we all know the answer to that.

As a person who despises every person running for president, i'm hoping for a contested convention....prime time entertainment about the absurdity that is American "democracy"

(04-10-2016 12:02 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:19 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 08:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I don't think you know what majority means.

If no one gets 1237 (a majority), it isn't just given to Trump. It goes to an open convention, which is where Cruz's superior ground game (vs. Trump's non-existent one) shines. Cruz has put in the work, Trump just wants it to be handed to him. At that point, Trump has no one to blame but himself.

"It's not the will to win that matters. ... It's the will to prepare to win that matters."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant

http://www.lowellsun.com/opinion/ci_2973...down-trump

Millions more voted for Trump. If he's not the nominee there will be violence in Cleveland. Lots of it.

Trump voters are a bunch of thugs

That is of course as much hyperbole as saying Sanders supporters are Commies.

If trump supporters started rioting in Cleveland and brought all that violence, what would you call them?

...but that wont happen...and you know that.

(04-10-2016 12:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:02 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:19 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Millions more voted for Trump. If he's not the nominee there will be violence in Cleveland. Lots of it.

Trump voters are a bunch of thugs

That is of course as much hyperbole as saying Sanders supporters are Commies.

If trump supporters started rioting in Cleveland and brought all that violence, what would you call them?

...but that wont happen...and you know that.

Well, even donnie boy himself said "there will be violence." So yeah....it would happen.

(04-10-2016 12:05 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:03 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If Trump is not the nominee, Trumpians walk. Have fun with Hilldawg for 4 years.

It will depend upon the alternative. I would not make that blanket of a statement. It is still very early and there is a lot of time before the convention. Hell...It would not surprise me at all to see this "windbag with a bankroll" destroy himself before the convention and at that point ALL bets are off. I think that is what Kasich is banking on.

I'm just waiting to see if they would be called "rioters" or "thugs." But then again I think we all know the answer to that.

As a person who despises every person running for president, i'm hoping for a contested convention....prime time entertainment about the absurdity that is American "democracy"

I cant recall the last time conservatives did anything to deserve those monikers. Im sure it has happened in the past..but..not in the last 3 or 4 decades.

I agree with you that ALL of the choices pretty much suck. I voted in NC for the only one that I could stomach..John Kasich.

(04-10-2016 12:07 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:02 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:19 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Trump voters are a bunch of thugs

That is of course as much hyperbole as saying Sanders supporters are Commies.

If trump supporters started rioting in Cleveland and brought all that violence, what would you call them?

...but that wont happen...and you know that.

Well, even donnie boy himself said "there will be violence." So yeah....it would happen.

Forgive me for having more confidence in the sanity of the public than that. Even his supporters know he is pretty much full of schit. They just are pissed off and he is their sounding board.

(04-10-2016 12:12 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:07 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:02 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  That is of course as much hyperbole as saying Sanders supporters are Commies.

If trump supporters started rioting in Cleveland and brought all that violence, what would you call them?

...but that wont happen...and you know that.

Well, even donnie boy himself said "there will be violence." So yeah....it would happen.

Forgive me for having more confidence in the sanity of the public than that. Even his supporters know he is pretty much full of schit. They just are pissed off and he is their sounding board.

his supporters are statistically the uneducated and all the dude does is promote violence. It's gonna get ugly if they shut him out. But they should because Hillary would wipe the floor with that clown.

(04-10-2016 12:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:02 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:19 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Millions more voted for Trump. If he's not the nominee there will be violence in Cleveland. Lots of it.

Trump voters are a bunch of thugs

That is of course as much hyperbole as saying Sanders supporters are Commies.

If trump supporters started rioting in Cleveland and brought all that violence, what would you call them?

...but that wont happen...and you know that.

It's gonna happen. Trump has given us the green light.

(04-10-2016 12:10 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:05 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(04-10-2016 12:03 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If Trump is not the nominee, Trumpians walk. Have fun with Hilldawg for 4 years.

It will depend upon the alternative. I would not make that blanket of a statement. It is still very early and there is a lot of time before the convention. Hell...It would not surprise me at all to see this "windbag with a bankroll" destroy himself before the convention and at that point ALL bets are off. I think that is what Kasich is banking on.

I'm just waiting to see if they would be called "rioters" or "thugs." But then again I think we all know the answer to that.

As a person who despises every person running for president, i'm hoping for a contested convention....prime time entertainment about the absurdity that is American "democracy"

I cant recall the last time conservatives did anything to deserve those monikers. Im sure it has happened in the past..but..not in the last 3 or 4 decades.

I agree with you that ALL of the choices pretty much suck. I voted in NC for the only one that I could stomach..John Kasich.

That won't make America great again.