(04-11-2016 07:11 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  The Iowa State coach was interviewed last night and is "furious". Feels it's not in the interest of young men who play football.

There must have been some major teeth gritting.

Another story

Here is the statement released Friday by the NCAA Division I Council:

"The Council approved a proposal applicable to the Football Bowl Subdivision that would require those schools to conduct camps and clinics at their school’s facilities or at facilities regularly used for practice or competition. Additionally, FBS coaches and noncoaching staff members with responsibilities specific to football may be employed only at their school’s camps or clinics. This rule change is effective immediately."

(04-11-2016 10:53 AM)UT! Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 10:41 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 09:05 AM)UT! Wrote:  This will absolutely kill UT recruiting. Our coaches rely heavily on these camps. Thats where we offer all these kids... cast the big net.. NCAA and "college powers to be" again making there $$$ and paying themselves from $$$$ made off of young men but taking away a chance for some to showcase themselves to the likes of Eastern Mich. Sounds like the power 5 wants it their way again.

We offer all the kids from Florida at satellite camps. This is a basketball example but UT under Stan offered a kid in between games at a satellite camp/tourney.... happens all the time, coaches hate film, they want live action.
UT's summer football camps are solely for evaluating.

Our staff can't hold a camp in Sandusky but they can attend one by invite in Mobile, right? Whether that's correct or not, I don't see this killing our recruiting.

The conferences/coaches that voted for this are not concerned with keeping the Toledos away from 2 star kids. They are concerned with keeping the Ohio Sts away from southern and western 4-5 star kids.

We no longer can hold our camps in Cinci, Akron or anywhere else.... our coaches can work camps by invite only, say the UM camp. Not sure if our staff will be asked to work other school's camps or not, they may not want the competition. I wonder how the NCAA can keep private individuals from holding evaluation camps and inviting college coaches...

Oh contrary he says wary. The smart northern mid-major will smooze the talent-wealthy P5 southern coach because that southern coach would be delighted to watch a Toledo beat an Ohio St with the talent that southern general wasn't recruiting. Coach Candle asks around, I'll bet that he can get those invites. This presumes he is permitted to work those camps.

(04-11-2016 03:28 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Another story

Here is the statement released Friday by the NCAA Division I Council:

"The Council approved a proposal applicable to the Football Bowl Subdivision that would require those schools to conduct camps and clinics at their school’s facilities or at facilities regularly used for practice or competition. Additionally, FBS coaches and noncoaching staff members with responsibilities specific to football may be employed only at their school’s camps or clinics. This rule change is effective immediately."

this rule means no coach from a university can work or attend another university camp, EVEN if invited. If it's not on YOUR campus or REGULAR practice facility you can't be there. Also, any non-university sponsored clinic or camp, like Sound Mind Sound Body in Detroit is off limits. In the case of these off campus clinics/camps they will need to be run and coached by non college coaches. This rule truly effects the kids more than it punishes the schools like Michigan and Ohio State.
A kid from Florida that's a 3 or 4 star and has only so much money would probably pick OSU, UM, MSU or ND up North before a MAC school to attend a college camp for exposure.

(04-11-2016 08:58 PM)utrocks84 Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 03:28 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Another story

Here is the statement released Friday by the NCAA Division I Council:

"The Council approved a proposal applicable to the Football Bowl Subdivision that would require those schools to conduct camps and clinics at their school’s facilities or at facilities regularly used for practice or competition. Additionally, FBS coaches and noncoaching staff members with responsibilities specific to football may be employed only at their school’s camps or clinics. This rule change is effective immediately."

this rule means no coach from a university can work or attend another university camp, EVEN if invited. If it's not on YOUR campus or REGULAR practice facility you can't be there. Also, any non-university sponsored clinic or camp, like Sound Mind Sound Body in Detroit is off limits. In the case of these off campus clinics/camps they will need to be run and coached by non college coaches. This rule truly effects the kids more than it punishes the schools like Michigan and Ohio State.
A kid from Florida that's a 3 or 4 star and has only so much money would probably pick OSU, UM, MSU or ND up North before a MAC school to attend a college camp for exposure.

University of Toledo - Tampa Bay.


Problem solved.

That this went through so quickly says the momentum for it will continue if and until those that pushed it find they're hurt by it. For those on the wrong side of this vote, what's to do but try and think up work-around?


It's still a zero-sum game isn't it? There's no "kids hurt," not in the sum. I don't buy that line being put out by the Northern P5s. Every roster position will be filled by some kid from somewhere.

To have access to recruits from hot-spots, keeping relations with P5 coaches in the recruiting hot-spots is still a goal. Those P5 coaches are still going to direct players and kids they like but do not have room for on roster, to schools with whom they don't compete. Saban sends a QB to Toledo.

Nurturing those relationships with P5 coaches just became the mid-major coach's key to moving on up.

Another thought.

Since only assistant coaches can recruit off campus, take one (like a TE coach) and put him permanently in Miami. The WR coach also coaches the TE's and the guy in Miami only comes back to Toledo for games and important meetings. In fact, the guy in Miami should be a Florida native with all the high school contacts. All he does is recruit and go to HS games.

Crazy????

Urban Meyer against ban on satellite camps because it is bad for the MAC ... wait, what?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...lite-camps

If you are so worried about the MAC, Urban, there are at least 5 million things you could do to help out the MAC.

(04-12-2016 04:36 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Urban Meyer against ban on satellite camps because it is bad for the MAC ... wait, what?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...lite-camps

If you are so worried about the MAC, Urban, there are at least 5 million things you could do to help out the MAC.

funny thing is the man who abused the system (Harbaugh) has been the quietest on the subject. Urban has always talked highly of the MAC, just as Nick Saban has.

Maybe a more balanced approach would be to not permit satellite camps out of state. That would keep Michigan out of SEC country, for example, but still help strengthen the regions.

Seems like this rule is full of loop holes with word like employed and regular facility. So if the UT staff "Volunteers" at camps at other locations, that is Ok? Also, who's is to say U of M can't purchase a campus in the south and maintain for "regular" spring camp and lease it out the rest of the year?

and it doesn't seem to stop the myriad of privately run "camps."

(04-13-2016 03:40 PM)Rocket_Tree Wrote:  Seems like this rule is full of loop holes with word like employed and regular facility. So if the UT staff "Volunteers" at camps at other locations, that is Ok? Also, who's is to say U of M can't purchase a campus in the south and maintain for "regular" spring camp and lease it out the rest of the year?

"The Council approved a proposal applicable to the Football Bowl Subdivision that would require those schools to conduct camps and clinics at their school’s facilities or at facilities regularly used for practice or competition. Additionally, FBS coaches and noncoaching staff members with responsibilities specific to football may be employed only at their school’s camps or clinics. This rule change is effective immediately."

Need to read the rule closer. The "facilities" mentioned are on campus or regularly used for practice and competition.
Not once a year in Florida. The coaches can't volunteer at other clinics, they can only work/volunteer at ones their employer puts on at their campus or regularly used facility. A regularly used facility would be like Pitt doing a camp at Heinz field where they play their home games instead of campus facilities.