Interesting that this definately seems to be mostly a north vs. south divide on the votes.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...mmediately

(04-08-2016 03:23 PM)Rocket_Tree Wrote:  Interesting that this definately seems to be mostly a north vs. south divide on the votes.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...mmediately

Some reaction to the NCAA's decision.
http://footballscoop.com/news/mike-leach...ite-camps/

Quote:“I don’t think 400 kids from Los Angeles will be able to afford plane tickets to come to WSU.”

I don't think 400 kids in LA are going to know what it is like to GO TO SCHOOL at WSU just because some football coach holds a camp. I'm fine with any decision that brings recruiting for athletics closer to sensibility. If Leach/Harbaugh/... want so badly to coach a team from California/Texas/Fl, they can switch jobs.

Seems some coaches and their programs have seen enough.

is ban has big potential impact on MAC schools and other mid major programs who get a chance to scout hundreds of kids they may not get on their own campus for camps. Toledo has offered many recruits at OSU and UM camps they worked at that now they may not get a chance to evaluate in person.

(04-08-2016 09:10 PM)utrocks84 Wrote:  is ban has big potential impact on MAC schools and other mid major programs who get a chance to scout hundreds of kids they may not get on their own campus for camps. Toledo has offered many recruits at OSU and UM camps they worked at that now they may not get a chance to evaluate in person.

I don't think this effects the on campus summer camps, only the satellite camps away from campus. it shouldn'teffect Toledo's staff working at UM, OSU etc summer camps.....unless I am missing something?

(04-09-2016 09:59 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 09:10 PM)utrocks84 Wrote:  is ban has big potential impact on MAC schools and other mid major programs who get a chance to scout hundreds of kids they may not get on their own campus for camps. Toledo has offered many recruits at OSU and UM camps they worked at that now they may not get a chance to evaluate in person.

I don't think this effects the on campus summer camps, only the satellite camps away from campus. it shouldn'teffect Toledo's staff working at UM, OSU etc summer camps.....unless I am missing something?

He's referring I imagine to UM, OSU's... "satellite" camps held in the South and scouting for potential mid-major kids there. If they can't hold the camps, then our coaches can't work the camps and have that method of accessing those players directly.

Maybe the means would be to ask southern conference coaches (Saban) to work their camps? Plenty of coaches down there came through the MAC that probably wouldn't mind a Candle staff working their camp as opposed to a Meyer staff. Could actually give northern mid-majors a potential competitive edge against the big boys.

I would guess there is probably some benefit to the satellite camps. Probably good that they stopped it though. It keeps us on a similar footing with the big ten as regards recruiting the south.

Over the last five years or so, UT has had a number of satellite camps in Michigan and Ohio, plus I believe other states.

There will be no satellite camps and no working other schools camps. Coaches can't work camps not held at their institutions or regular practice facilities. Hence, they won't have the option to see kids at OSu, UM or ND that may never have come to a UT camp. Also, Many High Schools will take large groups to bigger camps for exposure to other schools working at those camps, that won't happen anymore, and a lot of these kids don't have the money nor transportation to get to a lot of out of town camps. Film is great, but a chance to evaluate kids in camps settings givens them a better idea on fringe offer kids as to how they compete and their actual measurable numbers.

The Iowa State coach was interviewed last night and is "furious". Feels it's not in the interest of young men who play football.

(04-11-2016 07:11 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  The Iowa State coach was interviewed last night and is "furious". Feels it's not in the interest of young men who play football.

Ha. Saw that. This is going to kill small town/rural (Ames) programs.

(04-11-2016 07:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 07:11 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  The Iowa State coach was interviewed last night and is "furious". Feels it's not in the interest of young men who play football.

Ha. Saw that. This is going to kill small town/rural (Ames) programs.

I really felt badly for him. He seemed very concerned about ethical practice.

Iowa State's conference voted in favor of the ban. I guess they really do not care what ISU thinks of the idea. Supposedly Michigan Coach Harbaugh was to be at the ISU camp. Apparently they needed a big name to draw kids to attend.

This will absolutely kill UT recruiting. Our coaches rely heavily on these camps. Thats where we offer all these kids... cast the big net.. NCAA and "college powers to be" again making there $$$ and paying themselves from $$$$ made off of young men but taking away a chance for some to showcase themselves to the likes of Eastern Mich. Sounds like the power 5 wants it their way again.

We offer all the kids from Florida at satellite camps. This is a basketball example but UT under Stan offered a kid in between games at a satellite camp/tourney.... happens all the time, coaches hate film, they want live action.
UT's summer football camps are solely for evaluating.

(04-11-2016 09:05 AM)UT! Wrote:  This will absolutely kill UT recruiting. Our coaches rely heavily on these camps. Thats where we offer all these kids... cast the big net.. NCAA and "college powers to be" again making there $$$ and paying themselves from $$$$ made off of young men but taking away a chance for some to showcase themselves to the likes of Eastern Mich. Sounds like the power 5 wants it their way again.

We offer all the kids from Florida at satellite camps. This is a basketball example but UT under Stan offered a kid in between games at a satellite camp/tourney.... happens all the time, coaches hate film, they want live action.
UT's summer football camps are solely for evaluating.

Our staff can't hold a camp in Sandusky but they can attend one by invite in Mobile, right? Whether that's correct or not, I don't see this killing our recruiting.

The conferences/coaches that voted for this are not concerned with keeping the Toledos away from 2 star kids. They are concerned with keeping the Ohio Sts away from southern and western 4-5 star kids.

(04-11-2016 10:41 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 09:05 AM)UT! Wrote:  This will absolutely kill UT recruiting. Our coaches rely heavily on these camps. Thats where we offer all these kids... cast the big net.. NCAA and "college powers to be" again making there $$$ and paying themselves from $$$$ made off of young men but taking away a chance for some to showcase themselves to the likes of Eastern Mich. Sounds like the power 5 wants it their way again.

We offer all the kids from Florida at satellite camps. This is a basketball example but UT under Stan offered a kid in between games at a satellite camp/tourney.... happens all the time, coaches hate film, they want live action.
UT's summer football camps are solely for evaluating.

Our staff can't hold a camp in Sandusky but they can attend one by invite in Mobile, right? Whether that's correct or not, I don't see this killing our recruiting.

The conferences/coaches that voted for this are not concerned with keeping the Toledos away from 2 star kids. They are concerned with keeping the Ohio Sts away from southern and western 4-5 star kids.

We no longer can hold our camps in Cinci, Akron or anywhere else.... our coaches can work camps by invite only, say the UM camp. Not sure if our staff will be asked to work other school's camps or not, they may not want the competition. I wonder how the NCAA can keep private individuals from holding evaluation camps and inviting college coaches...

(04-11-2016 09:05 AM)UT! Wrote:  This will absolutely kill UT recruiting. Our coaches rely heavily on these camps. Thats where we offer all these kids... cast the big net.. NCAA and "college powers to be" again making there $$$ and paying themselves from $$$$ made off of young men but taking away a chance for some to showcase themselves to the likes of Eastern Mich. Sounds like the power 5 wants it their way again.

We offer all the kids from Florida at satellite camps. This is a basketball example but UT under Stan offered a kid in between games at a satellite camp/tourney.... happens all the time, coaches hate film, they want live action.
UT's summer football camps are solely for evaluating.

It won't kill UT recruiting any more than it will at other MAC schools. Last season we had 2 of 11 starters on offense outside our geographic recruiting areas -Ely and Carter who were transfers. I would postulate that we didn't recruit them at camps.

On defense, there were 3 of 11 starters outside of our geographic area. Milligan was a transfer from Alabama-Birmingham that I'm not sure UT coaches knew much about. Covington, from Florida, probably fits the profile, but I believe Orion Jones (Oklahoma) was recruited by a former UT assistant that knew him from living in the area.

(04-11-2016 11:06 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 09:05 AM)UT! Wrote:  This will absolutely kill UT recruiting. Our coaches rely heavily on these camps. Thats where we offer all these kids... cast the big net.. NCAA and "college powers to be" again making there $$$ and paying themselves from $$$$ made off of young men but taking away a chance for some to showcase themselves to the likes of Eastern Mich. Sounds like the power 5 wants it their way again.

We offer all the kids from Florida at satellite camps. This is a basketball example but UT under Stan offered a kid in between games at a satellite camp/tourney.... happens all the time, coaches hate film, they want live action.
UT's summer football camps are solely for evaluating.

It won't kill UT recruiting any more than it will at other MAC schools. Last season we had 2 of 11 starters on offense outside our geographic recruiting areas -Ely and Carter who were transfers. I would postulate that we didn't recruit them at camps.

On defense, there were 3 of 11 starters outside of our geographic area. Milligan was a transfer from Alabama-Birmingham that I'm not sure UT coaches knew much about. Covington, from Florida, probably fits the profile, but I believe Orion Jones (Oklahoma) was recruited by a former UT assistant that knew him from living in the area.

Toledo recruited Milligan in high school but chose UAB instead.

Our staff going back to Amstutz days routinely out worked other staffs by attending all the camps including holding 3 or 4 of our own per year around the state. True it will not kill our recruiting, I overstated, but dang what a great way to get athletes and colleges opportunities.