Was it just me or was this years NCAA torny the most UN-MARKETED Torny of all time

As if it didn't exist

NCAA basketball is a 6 week sport in the American landscape now. Doesn't get much attention until after the Super Bowl. Its a reason they've talked about pushing the season back.

(04-05-2016 11:32 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:22 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Basketball will benefit as much as football if we move to a P5.

$$$$$$$$

Two issues with this thinking.

1. It assumes that we need millions and millions more investment in order to be nationally relevant and competitive in B-Ball, thus the need to get into a P-5 conference to get the P-5 TV money. WE DO NOT NEED the TV money to field a great B-ball team year in and year out.

2. If P-5 TV money were needed to field competitive B-Ball teams, then why does the SEC suck so much in B-Ball? Aside from Kentucky and Vanderbilt (and Florida every Blue Moon), that conference's B-ball is border line D-II level.

I'm not saying divest from football, give it all it needs ( that the school can afford) to be successful, but I just don't see the resources, sentiment, and support structures in place here to say we will be a Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, or Florida State in football. But, the support structures, sentiments, and resources are in place for the B-ball team to be a nationally relevant program every year.

What I believe is that by belonging to a P5 and getting the extra revenue BECAUSE of football, takes a lot of pressure off the big money guys having to rely on basketball to support the entire athletic department, as has been the case for decades.

When we can draw 45,000 per home game, not average, but per game at BIGXII prices, that will also help immensely.

Then the athletic program will not be held hostage by basketball money or a handful of boosters. We desperately need the boosters but there will be other money coming in...because of P5 football revenue sharing. Big Time.

Football is just easier to gamble on. That's why the ratings are big.

Think about it

(04-05-2016 11:18 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

Let me get some popcorn

Yea, me too. Dude obviously doesn't realize you can be good in both sports at the same time without killing one for the sake of the other. And if he, along with some others think the administration is really trying to kill basketball just to grow the football program, just tells me he and some others on here don't know what the hell they're talking about, because nothing could be farther from the truth, and I know that as fact. Seems that every post by CBM is against us trying to get into a P5 conference. Tiger basketball/ $ec football?? Hope not.

(04-06-2016 10:29 AM)wylioats Wrote:  Yea, me too. Dude obviously doesn't realize you can be good in both sports at the same time without killing one for the sake of the other. And if he, along with some others think the administration is really trying to kill basketball just to grow the football program, just tells me he and some others on here don't know what the hell they're talking about, because nothing could be farther from the truth, and I know that as fact. Seems that every post by CBM is against us trying to get into a P5 conference. Tiger basketball/ $ec football?? Hope not.

Actually, My first post in this thread noted specifically that football deserves all of the "investment the school can afford". So, I know and argue that there can be good football and basketball. My post is in response to many posters who were against buying out Pastner because they wanted that money to go towards investing in football so as to get into a P-5 conference. I do not know if the University itself is trying to do this, but many posters on here speculate and want the school to do so. I just think that if this is what indeed is going on, and why Pastner is still the coach, this is woefully misguided. There are no guarantees that Memphis will ever get into a P-5 conference. I for one don't think it is neither worth the investment or necessary for the school to get into the Big 12 in order to have good football and basketball.

I do think that the AAC is a good conference, and is better positioned for growth than the current Big 12. Texas holds too many cards in the Big 12 . I do not think paying millions of dollars to get into the Big 12 is a good option for Memphis, considering the market footprint of the Big 12 vs. the AAC. I know the Big 12 has more money right now, but the future is so uncertain with that conference and I think the future is bright with the AAC, with the right leadership and investments.

So I do not know if the Administration is trying to kill basketball to invest in football and get into the Big 12 . But if it is, I think it is a bad move, on many fronts.

• Memphis basketball is too important to the Memphis community to be sold out for football, which has never even come close to capturing the city as Basketball has
• College football only gets big support in small, rural towns in the Midwest and Southeast. Memphis is too urban to support college football to the extent needed to really have a power house team.
• Basketball is much less expensive to support for national relevance than football. Can the school really afford big time college football?
  

These are just a few reasons why Memphis should not deplete the basketball program to invest in football (though I am not suggesting that is what's happening, I'm just stating that I am against such a move).

(04-04-2016 11:20 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  In Basketball, I think of the Big East as a Power 5 conference.

That's fine, but they are not.

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

Sure...if you think basketball success is THE thing. The point is, many of us do not wish to settle for just being a good basketball program. Not even close.

(04-05-2016 11:26 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 08:43 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

This. & I still continue to say that when the power 5 separate & form a new division they will take the big east as its only non football league. & if we don't get in the big 12 we will be thinking woulda coulda shoulda all over again. As the likes of butler & creighton laugh all the way to the bank & we continue on as idiotic stupid no vision tiguh high

If you think there is any way P5 conferences will share ANY REVENUE with basketball only Big East you are delusional.

Just wait until you see the bigeast making more money for basketball only than the American does as a whole.

(04-05-2016 12:28 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 12:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  diluting support? We are paying our coach top 20 money and building a new practice facility for them.

The program needed a coaching change in the worst way, and yet it didn't happen, and many speculate it was because the school couldn't afford/wouldn't pony up the ridiculous buy out money needed to make Pastner go away. That was a very necessary expense, granted born out of sheer incompetence, but a necessary move that was not able to be executed, because of a lack of funds/investment.

Now why that investment/funds was not available is purely speculation, but there are many who suggest that any of those funds would be better used to help Memphis into a P-5 conference soon. While I disagree that an effort like that should take priority over a much more apparent needed change in the head basketball coach, others seem to think the b-ball program should not take precedent over the football program in this instance. So, while "diluting support" in b-ball may not be the most appropriate term, the lack of resources needed to address a glaring need in the B-ball program is very apparent.

Maybe. Or maybe, it was that NO SCHOOL in the country would pay a fired basketball coach $10.6M - as no one ever has. Regardless of trying to make a football move or not.

(04-06-2016 09:09 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:26 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 08:43 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

This. & I still continue to say that when the power 5 separate & form a new division they will take the big east as its only non football league. & if we don't get in the big 12 we will be thinking woulda coulda shoulda all over again. As the likes of butler & creighton laugh all the way to the bank & we continue on as idiotic stupid no vision tiguh high

If you think there is any way P5 conferences will share ANY REVENUE with basketball only Big East you are delusional.

Just wait until you see the bigeast making more money for basketball only than the American does as a whole.

That will not happen and its peanuts either way to FB revenue.

(04-06-2016 12:50 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 10:29 AM)wylioats Wrote:  Yea, me too. Dude obviously doesn't realize you can be good in both sports at the same time without killing one for the sake of the other. And if he, along with some others think the administration is really trying to kill basketball just to grow the football program, just tells me he and some others on here don't know what the hell they're talking about, because nothing could be farther from the truth, and I know that as fact. Seems that every post by CBM is against us trying to get into a P5 conference. Tiger basketball/ $ec football?? Hope not.

Actually, My first post in this thread noted specifically that football deserves all of the "investment the school can afford". So, I know and argue that there can be good football and basketball. My post is in response to many posters who were against buying out Pastner because they wanted that money to go towards investing in football so as to get into a P-5 conference. I do not know if the University itself is trying to do this, but many posters on here speculate and want the school to do so. I just think that if this is what indeed is going on, and why Pastner is still the coach, this is woefully misguided. There are no guarantees that Memphis will ever get into a P-5 conference. I for one don't think it is neither worth the investment or necessary for the school to get into the Big 12 in order to have good football and basketball.

I do think that the AAC is a good conference, and is better positioned for growth than the current Big 12. Texas holds too many cards in the Big 12 . I do not think paying millions of dollars to get into the Big 12 is a good option for Memphis, considering the market footprint of the Big 12 vs. the AAC. I know the Big 12 has more money right now, but the future is so uncertain with that conference and I think the future is bright with the AAC, with the right leadership and investments.

So I do not know if the Administration is trying to kill basketball to invest in football and get into the Big 12 . But if it is, I think it is a bad move, on many fronts.

• Memphis basketball is too important to the Memphis community to be sold out for football, which has never even come close to capturing the city as Basketball has
• College football only gets big support in small, rural towns in the Midwest and Southeast. Memphis is too urban to support college football to the extent needed to really have a power house team.
• Basketball is much less expensive to support for national relevance than football. Can the school really afford big time college football?
  

These are just a few reasons why Memphis should not deplete the basketball program to invest in football (though I am not suggesting that is what's happening, I'm just stating that I am against such a move).

I've been a BB donor for a long time but FB ratings are better in Memphis than BB.

(04-06-2016 12:50 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 10:29 AM)wylioats Wrote:  Yea, me too. Dude obviously doesn't realize you can be good in both sports at the same time without killing one for the sake of the other. And if he, along with some others think the administration is really trying to kill basketball just to grow the football program, just tells me he and some others on here don't know what the hell they're talking about, because nothing could be farther from the truth, and I know that as fact. Seems that every post by CBM is against us trying to get into a P5 conference. Tiger basketball/ $ec football?? Hope not.

Actually, My first post in this thread noted specifically that football deserves all of the "investment the school can afford". So, I know and argue that there can be good football and basketball. My post is in response to many posters who were against buying out Pastner because they wanted that money to go towards investing in football so as to get into a P-5 conference. I do not know if the University itself is trying to do this, but many posters on here speculate and want the school to do so. I just think that if this is what indeed is going on, and why Pastner is still the coach, this is woefully misguided. There are no guarantees that Memphis will ever get into a P-5 conference. I for one don't think it is neither worth the investment or necessary for the school to get into the Big 12 in order to have good football and basketball.

I do think that the AAC is a good conference, and is better positioned for growth than the current Big 12. Texas holds too many cards in the Big 12 . I do not think paying millions of dollars to get into the Big 12 is a good option for Memphis, considering the market footprint of the Big 12 vs. the AAC. I know the Big 12 has more money right now, but the future is so uncertain with that conference and I think the future is bright with the AAC, with the right leadership and investments.

So I do not know if the Administration is trying to kill basketball to invest in football and get into the Big 12 . But if it is, I think it is a bad move, on many fronts.

• Memphis basketball is too important to the Memphis community to be sold out for football, which has never even come close to capturing the city as Basketball has
• College football only gets big support in small, rural towns in the Midwest and Southeast. Memphis is too urban to support college football to the extent needed to really have a power house team.
• Basketball is much less expensive to support for national relevance than football. Can the school really afford big time college football?
  

These are just a few reasons why Memphis should not deplete the basketball program to invest in football (though I am not suggesting that is what's happening, I'm just stating that I am against such a move).

Point taken. While I agree on some of what you posted (need to be good in both sports, help grow AAC), we'll just have to agree to disagree on some other points you made (Memphis is too urban to support college football. Strongly disagree). One thing I think we both can agree on is, I'm a football first Tiger fan who just happens to also love Tiger basketball. From what I can gather by this and some of your other posts is, you're a Tiger basketball fan who tolerates the football program, or maybe just a fan of another schools football program. Like I said in my earlier post. I know for a fact our administration IS NOT trying to kill basketball for the sake of football, nothing could be farther from the truth, and for those who believe this to be the case, they just don't know what the hell they're talking about. We will always try to help and grow the conference we're currently in (AAC), but at the same time our administrations mission and goal is to fit us into a P5 conference, regardless if it's the BIG XII or another P5 conference, and the way to do that is thru football. If it ever does happen, money will not only be there for football but will also enhance the dollars for our basketball program to the point of not having to lean on our boosters for every little thing. If we were to have P5 money now, a new basketball coach would already be in place.....GO TIGERS!!

(04-04-2016 11:20 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  In Basketball, I think of the Big East as a Power 5 conference.

It absolutely is.

P5 (like BCS before it) is an annoying term to use for college basketball. The term should be power conferences.

Power conferences, IMO, are the P5 conferences, plus at all times, the American, Atlantic 10, and Big East.

Others come and go depending on their status, but the eight I mentioned are the only ones that are guaranteed to be multi-bid leagues each season.

(04-07-2016 06:33 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:20 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  In Basketball, I think of the Big East as a Power 5 conference.

It absolutely is.

P5 (like BCS before it) is an annoying term to use for college basketball. The term should be power conferences.

Power conferences, IMO, are the P5 conferences, plus at all times, the American, Atlantic 10, and Big East.

Others come and go depending on their status, but the eight I mentioned are the only ones that are guaranteed to be multi-bid leagues each season.

So, using your logic(?), Northwestern is a Power team even though they have NEVER been to NCAA tourney?

They are a power conference team to be sure.

Wichita State is a thousand times better and more prestigious than, say, Northwestern, but they don't have the benefit of the doubt of being a power conference team.

(04-07-2016 07:41 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  They are a power conference team to be sure.

Wichita State is a thousand times better and more prestigious than, say, Northwestern, but they don't have the benefit of the doubt of being a power conference team.

You do realize we are talking BB? That sounds like some twisted logic my ex wife would use in an argument and you just gladly give up.

Northwestern gets power conference money that Wichita State can only dream of.

What on earth is your argument here?