(04-04-2016 10:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  From non-P5 leagues...

Gotta love it.

All from the Former/Current Big East

Lville
UConn
Nova

Hats off to Nova. They stuck them in the toughest bracket and they beat everyone.

Villanova was impressive. I thought they had a great game plan from the tip. Loved seeing that level of effort and defense. Good for them.

(04-04-2016 11:14 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:10 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 10:47 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  Seems like the broadcast on tbs was pro tar heels . Glad nova won.

There were 3 broadcast. One Tarheel stream, one 'Nova stream, and one impartial stream. Comcast is your friend....

Don't have Comcast so ... Wgas!

Sane thing on DirectV.

(04-05-2016 10:00 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:14 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:10 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 10:47 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  Seems like the broadcast on tbs was pro tar heels . Glad nova won.

There were 3 broadcast. One Tarheel stream, one 'Nova stream, and one impartial stream. Comcast is your friend....

Don't have Comcast so ... Wgas!

Sane thing on DirectV.

Lol yeah who don't have TNT or TBS?

The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

Let me get some popcorn

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

Basketball will benefit as much as football if we move to a P5.

$$$$$$$$

(04-05-2016 11:22 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Basketball will benefit as much as football if we move to a P5.

$$$$$$$$

Two issues with this thinking.

1. It assumes that we need millions and millions more investment in order to be nationally relevant and competitive in B-Ball, thus the need to get into a P-5 conference to get the P-5 TV money. WE DO NOT NEED the TV money to field a great B-ball team year in and year out.

2. If P-5 TV money were needed to field competitive B-Ball teams, then why does the SEC suck so much in B-Ball? Aside from Kentucky and Vanderbilt (and Florida every Blue Moon), that conference's B-ball is border line D-II level.

I'm not saying divest from football, give it all it needs ( that the school can afford) to be successful, but I just don't see the resources, sentiment, and support structures in place here to say we will be a Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, or Florida State in football. But, the support structures, sentiments, and resources are in place for the B-ball team to be a nationally relevant program every year.

(04-05-2016 11:32 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:22 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Basketball will benefit as much as football if we move to a P5.

$$$$$$$$

Two issues with this thinking.

1. It assumes that we need millions and millions more investment in order to be nationally relevant and competitive in B-Ball, thus the need to get into a P-5 conference to get the P-5 TV money. WE DO NOT NEED the TV money to field a great B-ball team year in and year out.

2. If P-5 TV money were needed to field competitive B-Ball teams, then why does the SEC suck so much in B-Ball? Aside from Kentucky and Vanderbilt (and Florida every Blue Moon), that conference's B-ball is border line D-II level.

I'm not saying divest from football, give it all it needs ( that the school can afford) to be successful, but I just don't see the resources, sentiment, and support structures in place here to say we will be a Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, or Florida State in football. But, the support structures, sentiments, and resources are in place for the B-ball team to be a nationally relevant program every year.

T Bozo supporters use the whole P5/football argument as an excuse to give T Bozo a pass for wrecking the flagship program. In reality, as you've said, pursuing a P5 conference invitation by investing in football does not have to and should not affect the health of the basketball program.

Thanks to T Bozo for ruining the only athletic program Memphis fans have ever been able to be consistently proud of.

diluting support? We are paying our coach top 20 money and building a new practice facility for them.

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

At the end of the day no one is willing to pay 10 mil to make a coach go away. Its like a really bad loan that your upside down with...its only cure is time.

(04-05-2016 12:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  diluting support? We are paying our coach top 20 money and building a new practice facility for them.

It's not about diluting support. It's about bad decisions that have crippled the flagship program.

As a result of those bad decisions, the bball program is losing revenue, which likely has played a role in scaling back on things such as charter flights, band support, etc.

(04-05-2016 12:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  diluting support? We are paying our coach top 20 money and building a new practice facility for them.

The program needed a coaching change in the worst way, and yet it didn't happen, and many speculate it was because the school couldn't afford/wouldn't pony up the ridiculous buy out money needed to make Pastner go away. That was a very necessary expense, granted born out of sheer incompetence, but a necessary move that was not able to be executed, because of a lack of funds/investment.

Now why that investment/funds was not available is purely speculation, but there are many who suggest that any of those funds would be better used to help Memphis into a P-5 conference soon. While I disagree that an effort like that should take priority over a much more apparent needed change in the head basketball coach, others seem to think the b-ball program should not take precedent over the football program in this instance. So, while "diluting support" in b-ball may not be the most appropriate term, the lack of resources needed to address a glaring need in the B-ball program is very apparent.

(04-05-2016 12:28 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 12:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  diluting support? We are paying our coach top 20 money and building a new practice facility for them.

The program needed a coaching change in the worst way, and yet it didn't happen, and many speculate it was because the school couldn't afford/wouldn't pony up the ridiculous buy out money needed to make Pastner go away. That was a very necessary expense, granted born out of sheer incompetence, but a necessary move that was not able to be executed, because of a lack of funds/investment.

Now why that investment/funds was not available is purely speculation, but there are many who suggest that any of those funds would be better used to help Memphis into a P-5 conference soon. While I disagree that an effort like that should take priority over a much more apparent needed change in the head basketball coach, others seem to think the b-ball program should not take precedent over the football program in this instance. So, while "diluting support" in b-ball may not be the most appropriate term, the lack of resources needed to address a glaring need in the B-ball program is very apparent.

The "lack of resources" would still be there even if the football teams sucked

(04-05-2016 12:11 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:32 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:22 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Basketball will benefit as much as football if we move to a P5.

$$$$$$$$

Two issues with this thinking.

1. It assumes that we need millions and millions more investment in order to be nationally relevant and competitive in B-Ball, thus the need to get into a P-5 conference to get the P-5 TV money. WE DO NOT NEED the TV money to field a great B-ball team year in and year out.

2. If P-5 TV money were needed to field competitive B-Ball teams, then why does the SEC suck so much in B-Ball? Aside from Kentucky and Vanderbilt (and Florida every Blue Moon), that conference's B-ball is border line D-II level.

I'm not saying divest from football, give it all it needs ( that the school can afford) to be successful, but I just don't see the resources, sentiment, and support structures in place here to say we will be a Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, or Florida State in football. But, the support structures, sentiments, and resources are in place for the B-ball team to be a nationally relevant program every year.

T Bozo supporters use the whole P5/football argument as an excuse to give T Bozo a pass for wrecking the flagship program. In reality, as you've said, pursuing a P5 conference invitation by investing in football does not have to and should not affect the health of the basketball program.

Thanks to T Bozo for ruining the only athletic program Memphis fans have ever been able to be consistently proud of.

Your anger is misplaced. "T Bozo" as you call him only does what those with the money tell him to do.

(04-05-2016 02:28 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 12:11 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:32 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:22 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Basketball will benefit as much as football if we move to a P5.

$$$$$$$$

Two issues with this thinking.

1. It assumes that we need millions and millions more investment in order to be nationally relevant and competitive in B-Ball, thus the need to get into a P-5 conference to get the P-5 TV money. WE DO NOT NEED the TV money to field a great B-ball team year in and year out.

2. If P-5 TV money were needed to field competitive B-Ball teams, then why does the SEC suck so much in B-Ball? Aside from Kentucky and Vanderbilt (and Florida every Blue Moon), that conference's B-ball is border line D-II level.

I'm not saying divest from football, give it all it needs ( that the school can afford) to be successful, but I just don't see the resources, sentiment, and support structures in place here to say we will be a Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, or Florida State in football. But, the support structures, sentiments, and resources are in place for the B-ball team to be a nationally relevant program every year.

T Bozo supporters use the whole P5/football argument as an excuse to give T Bozo a pass for wrecking the flagship program. In reality, as you've said, pursuing a P5 conference invitation by investing in football does not have to and should not affect the health of the basketball program.

Thanks to T Bozo for ruining the only athletic program Memphis fans have ever been able to be consistently proud of.

Your anger is misplaced. "T Bozo" as you call him only does what those with the money tell him to do.

T Bozo is the CEO of the athletic dept. If he is simply there to take orders from others, then he truly lives up to the name T Bozo.

Reminds me of Office Space: "So you physically take the specs from the software engineers to the clients?" "Well, no, my secretary does that, but I..." "What is it, ya do here?"

When you reach a certain level in your career, the buck stops with you. There are no excuses. In this case, buck stops with AD and the former president. Neither are innocent. Don't even start with "But but the boosters tell Tommy Bozo what to do. He's just a pawn." Save it.

(04-04-2016 11:36 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:20 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  In Basketball, I think of the Big East as a Power 5 conference.

Well you are wrong. No such thing as a power conference in CBB.

He said "In Basketball." Of course there are power conferences in basketball just like there are power conferences in football and rowing -- and they aren't necessarily the same ones. The Big East has been and continues to be a power basketball conference. They've been in three of the last seven championship games. If you don't think that makes them a power conference in college basketball, you're going to be disappointed with what you get if we DO get into a power football conference. Pretty sure the Big 12 has had zero football teams in the championship game during that same period.

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

This. & I still continue to say that when the power 5 separate & form a new division they will take the big east as its only non football league. & if we don't get in the big 12 we will be thinking woulda coulda shoulda all over again. As the likes of butler & creighton laugh all the way to the bank & we continue on as idiotic stupid no vision tiguh high

(04-05-2016 08:43 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:12 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  The fact that the 3 of the Last 4 College B-Ball Champs were from non P-5 conferences is compelling evidence that you do not need to sell out everything for football in order to have a great B-Ball program. Villanova doesn't even play D-1 Football and they are hoisting a banner. B-Ball doesn't require all of the investment that football does. All you need are good B-ball people that know what they are doing and your program can be successful, both on the court and off.

Memphis can be Villanova and probably have better success. But, we have to stop chasing the P-5 dream and start investing in the conference we are in and keep B-ball nationally relevant. The college football climate and sentiment of the coaches will never be with a place like Memphis. Too urban, too much else going on to invest that much in a football program that will only catch on to a finite segment of the population. The good football people don't see Memphis as a viable place to plant roots, only as a stepping stone. If Pastner could coach, and the team was successful, he could have stayed here another 10 to 15 years. Do you think Fuente would have ever considered staying in Memphis that long?

We are missing the boat here and wrecking a perfectly fine B-ball program if we are trying to catch on with a p-5 conference by diluting support for B-ball for football. It is not necessary to do this.

This. & I still continue to say that when the power 5 separate & form a new division they will take the big east as its only non football league. & if we don't get in the big 12 we will be thinking woulda coulda shoulda all over again. As the likes of butler & creighton laugh all the way to the bank & we continue on as idiotic stupid no vision tiguh high

If you think there is any way P5 conferences will share ANY REVENUE with basketball only Big East you are delusional.