(03-30-2016 01:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

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(03-30-2016 10:26 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 08:23 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 01:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That's why I think the real opportunity for the AAC is to take the front range schools as a block. At the very least, I think if you offer Air Force, New Mexico, and Colorado St as a group, you might have an actual shot at some success. That said, you must have a very short memory. UNLV flat out walked away from Nevada just a few years before and you'd better believe they will do it again if they perceive it to be in their best interests. A lot these unbreakable rivalries were broken just a few years ago. Hell, the whole MW conference was created when 5 schools secretly met and back stabbed the other 11 schools (many of those 11 are now conference mates). Its clear all this conference loyalty only goes so far. Real talk----If Texas and Texas A&M can walk away from one another---do you really think UNLV would never leave Nevada?

Absolutely correct. KU and Mizzou parted ways. TAMU, UT. The Big10 broke rivalries when it expanded, so did the SEC, Utah BYU, the ACC and Tobacco road... UNLV wouldn't hesitate to leave if it thought the grass we greener. Same goes for the front range schools. AFA expressed interest in the AAC before and I don't recall that coinciding with AAC conversations with Wyoming or UNM. Show them the money and they'll not just walk, they'll run.

Its all about money. If the money is there, expand.

- Ambassador of Quan

Air Force turned down the Big 12 a few years ago. I'm sure you know what your talking about and I don't regarding the front range schools though. Cheers!

So AirForce turned down $25mm a year and massive exposure, come on.

Yes.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...-air-force

Damn that takes guts

The reason that Air Force did not pursue talks with the Big <XII had nothing -- Nothing -- to do with their Front Range rivals in the Mtn. The linked article makes that clear.

AFA for football-only in the AAC might possibly work. But their Olympic sports would need to have another home, and it's not immediately obvious where that would be.

(03-30-2016 02:02 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 01:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 10:42 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 10:26 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 08:23 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Absolutely correct. KU and Mizzou parted ways. TAMU, UT. The Big10 broke rivalries when it expanded, so did the SEC, Utah BYU, the ACC and Tobacco road... UNLV wouldn't hesitate to leave if it thought the grass we greener. Same goes for the front range schools. AFA expressed interest in the AAC before and I don't recall that coinciding with AAC conversations with Wyoming or UNM. Show them the money and they'll not just walk, they'll run.

Its all about money. If the money is there, expand.

- Ambassador of Quan

Air Force turned down the Big 12 a few years ago. I'm sure you know what your talking about and I don't regarding the front range schools though. Cheers!

So AirForce turned down $25mm a year and massive exposure, come on.

Yes.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...-air-force

Damn that takes guts

Wow

(03-30-2016 02:27 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The reason that Air Force did not pursue talks with the Big <XII had nothing -- Nothing -- to do with their Front Range rivals in the Mtn. The linked article makes that clear.

AFA for football-only in the AAC might possibly work. But their Olympic sports would need to have another home, and it's not immediately obvious where that would be.

That's an easy one - Summit League.

(03-30-2016 02:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 02:27 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The reason that Air Force did not pursue talks with the Big <XII had nothing -- Nothing -- to do with their Front Range rivals in the Mtn. The linked article makes that clear.

AFA for football-only in the AAC might possibly work. But their Olympic sports would need to have another home, and it's not immediately obvious where that would be.

That's an easy one - Summit League.

or the MVC

Denver looks lonely out there. AFA would be a good travel partner for visitors.

(03-30-2016 02:27 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The reason that Air Force did not pursue talks with the Big <XII had nothing -- Nothing -- to do with their Front Range rivals in the Mtn. The linked article makes that clear.

AFA for football-only in the AAC might possibly work. But their Olympic sports would need to have another home, and it's not immediately obvious where that would be.

AFA to the AAC was a no go not because of the front range school but more because AF was not willing to place it's Olympic sports in conferences that didn't match them such as the ones proposed by others here.
To get Air Force on board the AAC would have to offer all sports and probably a traveling buddy such as Colorado State

(03-30-2016 10:26 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 08:23 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 01:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 01:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 12:45 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Not really....it was their travel partner that fell through. MWC didn't give SDSU a sweetheart deal.

I have made the point before here...Boise has its deal. Air Force has pretty much said they want to be with New Mexico, Colorado State and Wyoming.

So go out and get UNLV and SDSU and move to 13/14.

UNLV will rid itself of being in a conference with Nevada. SDSU gets big time more exposure and better conference. and Texas recruiting. American gets more markets, more time zones and California recruiting.

Win/Win. And UTEP and Rice can finally get into the MWC and out of dying CUSA.

Even I know UNLV doesn't want to "rid itself" of being in a conference with Nevada. UNLV said over and over that Nevada getting into the MWC was one of the reasons why they wouldn't leave their conference to go to the AAC when those efforts were being made a few years ago. UNLV pushed very very hard to get Nevada into the MWC with them. You are correct about AF not wanting to leave UNM, CSU and WYyoming behind though. AAC fans don't understand the politics behind the front range schools relationships. KAFB in Albuquerque and up in Colorado there's..I digress...I won't even go there. There's just reasons why that won't happen. Cheers!

That's why I think the real opportunity for the AAC is to take the front range schools as a block. At the very least, I think if you offer Air Force, New Mexico, and Colorado St as a group, you might have an actual shot at some success. That said, you must have a very short memory. UNLV flat out walked away from Nevada just a few years before and you'd better believe they will do it again if they perceive it to be in their best interests. A lot these unbreakable rivalries were broken just a few years ago. Hell, the whole MW conference was created when 5 schools secretly met and back stabbed the other 11 schools (many of those 11 are now conference mates). Its clear all this conference loyalty only goes so far. Real talk----If Texas and Texas A&M can walk away from one another---do you really think UNLV would never leave Nevada?

Absolutely correct. KU and Mizzou parted ways. TAMU, UT. The Big10 broke rivalries when it expanded, so did the SEC, Utah BYU, the ACC and Tobacco road... UNLV wouldn't hesitate to leave if it thought the grass we greener. Same goes for the front range schools. AFA expressed interest in the AAC before and I don't recall that coinciding with AAC conversations with Wyoming or UNM. Show them the money and they'll not just walk, they'll run.

Its all about money. If the money is there, expand.

- Ambassador of Quan

Air Force turned down the Big 12 a few years ago. I'm sure you know what your talking about and I don't regarding the front range schools though. Cheers!

And according to the linked article above:

"We were approached by the Big 12, and I told them we're not a good fit for that conference. In the Big 12, geography makes sense, the economics make sense, but recruiting makes no sense for us. I can't recruit against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State," [Air Force athletic director Hans] Mueh said.

"That's why I turned down the Big 12. I can't do that to my kids, because they'll get beat up. I'd love the extra $12 million or whatever it would be per year from the TV money. And I know how I'd spend the money. I'd build a new soccer stadium, and I'd build a new baseball facility, all in one year. But I can't do that."

Zero mention of Wyoming, CSU, or UNM....

And AFA was ready to join the Big East..... with out front range schools....

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19073868

I'm not so sure that Air Force would be willing to put its Olympic sports in Summit or MVC.

I honestly don't think we need another military school in the conference.

(03-30-2016 04:33 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  I honestly don't think we need another military school in the conference.

Really? The military schools bring clout,national brand recognition and political power. Yes,the league will always be open to to Air Force or Army.

If Aresco can get Army and Air Force in FB only...that would be HUGE for the next TV Contract.

If that is the long range plan, then he only needs the MVC conference to help. Would think some scheduling arrangement in other sports including basketball would help facilitate.

(03-30-2016 04:55 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  If Aresco can get Army and Air Force in FB only...that would be HUGE for the next TV Contract.

If that is the long range plan, then he only needs the MVC conference to help. Would think some scheduling arrangement in other sports including basketball would help facilitate.

Yup. Air Force and Army as #13 and #14 would be a homerun for the conference TV contract.

only question would be is if navy and the other military school would be in the same division. other wise they would have to play each other every year for the commander and chief trophy thing.

(03-28-2016 10:57 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  San Diego State can actually deliver its #28 market, is a destination city and a recruiting hot bed.

The Aztecs will be in an even better position when the Chargers leave.

One day someone will explain what that silly term means...

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Thoughts from a Navy fan:
- Even in the linked article, the espn Big12 reporter doubted that it would have progressed to an actual offer. Surely THIS crowd knows that there is significant milieage between talks and offers. "Air Force turned down BigXII" is an overstatement. I also want to talk real estate deals with you if you think Troy Calhoun TURNED DOWN Tennessee HC offer.
- I believe Air Force's talks with Big East (2011 timeframe) were football only. Boise and SDSU were football only with landing spots for other sports. Air Force doesn't have a ready landing spot as perfect as ours in the Patriot League, but hey life is about tradeoffs. I am certainly happy with our current AAC football and Patriot League other sports. Which would be easy for Army as well.
- My desires to have Amy and Air Force in the AAC for football are almost solely to free up OOC scheduling. The biggest negative of our current status is that the schedule is essentially AAC, Army, AF, ND, FCS EVERY year. Turn the CIC trophy games into conference games and we regain the occasional Power program or geographic diversity.
- That said, Army is a must every year; if AF is not in our division, I am willing to put CIC trophy on hold for an occasional year or two, or make it an extra game that doesn't count to conference standings (ACC has a couple of these on the docket already).
- If ensuring Army-Navy ends up as special deal for the service academies within the AAC, well, y'all deal with it. Army-Navy game is a nationally recoginzed product and the ratings and money prove it. Obtw, I would be open to Army-Navy being a non-conference-standing game on the current post-championship date two years out of four or four years out of six if we were not in the same division. Grandfather us in as pre-CFP for that date following conf champ games and pay us all.
- I also want to stay in West, like our AD pushed for. Maybe that keeps AF in division, and Army is cross-divison but on the schedule as above.

(03-30-2016 09:07 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Thoughts from a Navy fan:
- Even in the linked article, the espn Big12 reporter doubted that it would have progressed to an actual offer. Surely THIS crowd knows that there is significant milieage between talks and offers. "Air Force turned down BigXII" is an overstatement. I also want to talk real estate deals with you if you think Troy Calhoun TURNED DOWN Tennessee HC offer.
- I believe Air Force's talks with Big East (2011 timeframe) were football only. Boise and SDSU were football only with landing spots for other sports. Air Force doesn't have a ready landing spot as perfect as ours in the Patriot League, but hey life is about tradeoffs. I am certainly happy with our current AAC football and Patriot League other sports. Which would be easy for Army as well.
- My desires to have Amy and Air Force in the AAC for football are almost solely to free up OOC scheduling. The biggest negative of our current status is that the schedule is essentially AAC, Army, AF, ND, FCS EVERY year. Turn the CIC trophy games into conference games and we regain the occasional Power program or geographic diversity.
- That said, Army is a must every year; if AF is not in our division, I am willing to put CIC trophy on hold for an occasional year or two, or make it an extra game that doesn't count to conference standings (ACC has a couple of these on the docket already).
- If ensuring Army-Navy ends up as special deal for the service academies within the AAC, well, y'all deal with it. Army-Navy game is a nationally recoginzed product and the ratings and money prove it. Obtw, I would be open to Army-Navy being a non-conference-standing game on the current post-championship date two years out of four or four years out of six if we were not in the same division. Grandfather us in as pre-CFP for that date following conf champ games and pay us all.
- I also want to stay in West, like our AD pushed for. Maybe that keeps AF in division, and Army is cross-divison but on the schedule as above.

That's exactly how the Army-Navy game would have to be handled if Army, Navy, and AF were together in the AAC. Navy and AF would be in the west division together. AF would have a permanent crossover game vs Army. Army and Navy would never play a conference game against one another. That game would always be an OOC game on its traditional day after championship Saturday and would not count in the standings. Having all 3 academies would unfortunately only free up one extra OOC slot for Navy--but it would have to be done that way to preserve the current post CCG broadcast slot.

(03-30-2016 10:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 09:07 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Thoughts from a Navy fan:
- Even in the linked article, the espn Big12 reporter doubted that it would have progressed to an actual offer. Surely THIS crowd knows that there is significant milieage between talks and offers. "Air Force turned down BigXII" is an overstatement. I also want to talk real estate deals with you if you think Troy Calhoun TURNED DOWN Tennessee HC offer.
- I believe Air Force's talks with Big East (2011 timeframe) were football only. Boise and SDSU were football only with landing spots for other sports. Air Force doesn't have a ready landing spot as perfect as ours in the Patriot League, but hey life is about tradeoffs. I am certainly happy with our current AAC football and Patriot League other sports. Which would be easy for Army as well.
- My desires to have Amy and Air Force in the AAC for football are almost solely to free up OOC scheduling. The biggest negative of our current status is that the schedule is essentially AAC, Army, AF, ND, FCS EVERY year. Turn the CIC trophy games into conference games and we regain the occasional Power program or geographic diversity.
- That said, Army is a must every year; if AF is not in our division, I am willing to put CIC trophy on hold for an occasional year or two, or make it an extra game that doesn't count to conference standings (ACC has a couple of these on the docket already).
- If ensuring Army-Navy ends up as special deal for the service academies within the AAC, well, y'all deal with it. Army-Navy game is a nationally recoginzed product and the ratings and money prove it. Obtw, I would be open to Army-Navy being a non-conference-standing game on the current post-championship date two years out of four or four years out of six if we were not in the same division. Grandfather us in as pre-CFP for that date following conf champ games and pay us all.
- I also want to stay in West, like our AD pushed for. Maybe that keeps AF in division, and Army is cross-divison but on the schedule as above.

That's exactly how the Army-Navy game would have to be handled if Army, Navy, and AF were together in the AAC. Navy and AF would be in the west division together. AF would have a permanent crossover game vs Army. Army and Navy would never play a conference game against one another. That game would always be an OOC game on its traditional day after championship Saturday and would not count in the standings. Having all 3 academies would unfortunately only free up one extra OOC slot for Navy--but it would have to be done that way to preserve the current post CCG broadcast slot.

I really think it would just be easier to take army and put them in the west division, and leave air force out. This way the AAC gets all the tv money from a nationally televised game.

Wilke wants wku he went there