(03-26-2016 06:36 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 01:16 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:27 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  So much better you lose to, let alone schedule, Ivy schools and on the road to boot.

Adorable and I would rather lose to an Ivy League school. At least, they have history unlike the pathetic, outcast pair of Vandals and Aggies.

Speaking of history, how is the G5 life treating Houston? Missing the SWC? And that trophy case empty of National Titles.

HEY! We have history! I'll accept pathetic, and I'll accept outcast, but Idaho football has a long tradition of existence to its members and to the community at large.

A history of losing. Name an Idaho player, that the nation knew and history will remember. The community must really support the Vandals, explains the big, iconic stadium.

Oh, you mean, like, a history of being good at football? Nah, man. Nah. But we do have history.

(03-26-2016 03:24 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Idaho would be in the Pac today if its administration cared. I know college athletics where different 70-100 years ago and Idaho and Montana struggled to get home games during their relative scheduling alliance with the other Pac schools but my point is they had their chance to be in the club, recruiting scandal or not.

Our fans come on here and litigate this stuff all the time, but honestly, I don't care anymore. We could have done lots of things better in the past 6 decades, but our administration made the wrong choice at every turn. We are where we are.

The question now is, do we continue to make the wrong choices? I believe cashing in the only good card we still have left (FBS status) without even trying to give indy a go for a while is a terrible choice. We should keep building the team the way we have the past couple years, win some games, improve facilities, and cling to FBS as long as it's feasible.

(03-26-2016 06:36 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 01:16 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:27 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  So much better you lose to, let alone schedule, Ivy schools and on the road to boot.

Adorable and I would rather lose to an Ivy League school. At least, they have history unlike the pathetic, outcast pair of Vandals and Aggies.

Speaking of history, how is the G5 life treating Houston? Missing the SWC? And that trophy case empty of National Titles.

HEY! We have history! I'll accept pathetic, and I'll accept outcast, but Idaho football has a long tradition of existence to its members and to the community at large.

A history of losing. Name an Idaho player, that the nation knew and history will remember. The community must really support the Vandals, explains the big, iconic stadium.

But I can name an Idaho player. Jerry Kramer. Surely someone with a bunch of ancient Army guys in his handle can appreciate Jerry Kramer.

Also we have Mike Iupati playing right now. Best guard in the NFL.

Best case scenario for the MAC would be for the three independents to keep struggling.
Each school getting a G5 win instead of playing an FCS school.
The SBC had five G5 wins last year.
The MWC had a bad OOC FBS record.
I would think it would help them climb the conference rankings.

Why does an Army fan hate Idaho and NMSU.
Princeton has history so what.
Army has two bowl games since Idaho moved up.
So does Idaho Army is terrible vs their rivals.
Navy and Air force our solid programs.
Army is one of the programs that get mentioned as needing to drop down.
Seems like you would hate hearing Army should be FCS and support schools in the same boat.

(03-26-2016 10:09 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:36 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 01:16 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:27 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  So much better you lose to, let alone schedule, Ivy schools and on the road to boot.

Adorable and I would rather lose to an Ivy League school. At least, they have history unlike the pathetic, outcast pair of Vandals and Aggies.

Speaking of history, how is the G5 life treating Houston? Missing the SWC? And that trophy case empty of National Titles.

HEY! We have history! I'll accept pathetic, and I'll accept outcast, but Idaho football has a long tradition of existence to its members and to the community at large.

A history of losing. Name an Idaho player, that the nation knew and history will remember. The community must really support the Vandals, explains the big, iconic stadium.

But I can name an Idaho player. Jerry Kramer. Surely someone with a bunch of ancient Army guys in his handle can appreciate Jerry Kramer.

Also we have Mike Iupati playing right now. Best guard in the NFL.

I had Jerry Kramer's diary on a football season. Darn good book.

I'm reading a battle between Army and Idaho. Proof positive I'm spending too much time on message boards.

2016[edit]
Date Time Opponent Site TV Result
September 3 at Temple Lincoln Financial Field • Philadelphia, PA
September 10 Rice Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
September 17 at UTEP Sun Bowl stadium • El Paso, TX
September 24 at Buffalo UB Stadium • Amherst, NY
October 1 Kent State Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
October 8 at Duke Wallace Wade Stadium • Durham, NC
October 15 Lafayette Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
October 22 North Texas Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
October 29 at Wake Forest BB&T Field • Winston-Salem, NC
November 5 Air Force Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
November 12 Notre Dame Alamodome • San Antonio, TX NBC
November 19 Morgan State Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
December 10 at Navy M&T Bank Stadium • Baltimore, MD
*Non-conference game. daggerHomecoming. #Rankings from Coaches' Poll released prior to game.
2017[edit]

(03-26-2016 01:52 PM)MJG Wrote:  2016[edit]
Date Time Opponent Site TV Result
September 3 at Temple Lincoln Financial Field • Philadelphia, PA
September 10 Rice Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
September 17 at UTEP Sun Bowl stadium • El Paso, TX
September 24 at Buffalo UB Stadium • Amherst, NY
October 1 Kent State Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
October 8 at Duke Wallace Wade Stadium • Durham, NC
October 15 Lafayette Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
October 22 North Texas Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
October 29 at Wake Forest BB&T Field • Winston-Salem, NC
November 5 Air Force Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
November 12 Notre Dame Alamodome • San Antonio, TX NBC
November 19 Morgan State Michie Stadium • West Point, NY
December 10 at Navy M&T Bank Stadium • Baltimore, MD
*Non-conference game. daggerHomecoming. #Rankings from Coaches' Poll released prior to game.
2017[edit]

Laffayette and Morgan St are either of them high scholarship FCS?
Three out of last twenty vs both Navy and air Force.
Idaho and NMSU are in a bad spot because their conference dissolved .
Army couldn't compete in a conference and hand pick schedules like this.

(03-26-2016 01:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm reading a battle between Army and Idaho. Proof positive I'm spending too much time on message boards.

Actually, it is between West Point and Moscow.

(03-25-2016 01:17 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  Probably wouldn't need formal scheduling agreements - though I'm sure if a conference was willing NMSU and Idaho would be interested. But there are plenty of G5 schools that periodically need H&H series. MAC, CUSA, MWC, Sun Belt, even AAC schools are all decent possibilities.

If you assume 3 money games (ouch, but maybe necessary), one FCS, and then Idaho and NMSU playing each other each year that leaves 7 games to schedule. NMSU is fortunate to have UNM and UTEP each year, so now down to 5. If NMSU and Idaho need to play H&H each year, then that leaves only 4 more games to schedule. That is doable.
May have many years with only 5 home games, but still doable.

NMSU will either be part of CUSA or the MW in a couple of years. With the Big 12 going to expand, the AAC will pull at least 1 CUSA school and would need to add 1 team. If AF wanted to be with Navy this time then the MW would add them.

(03-26-2016 03:15 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Actually, it is between West Point and Moscow.

Rep'd. That was pretty clever.

UMass, NMSU and Idaho are already in contact about scheduling late season games.
Thus far, getting teams on the schedule hasn't been that difficult for UMass, other than the first season which nearly didn't get done in time. 2 years is not enough time to schedule 8 to 12 games. 3 years out is much easier. If NMSU and Idaho can get that first season done, they might be okay. Their remoteness works against them compared to UMass. I'm worried that Idaho is going to get chased off by how difficult getting that first season done looks. We're looking at the largest group of independents we've had in a long time if those 2 teams can hang around. "Independent" is going to start looking like an actual conference on the Standings page.

(03-25-2016 12:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I believe we call scheduling alliances conferences these days.

No, conference is when you are playing for the conference championship. The Notre Dame / ACC scheduling agreement in FB does not see FB eligible for the ACC CCG. The MAC / Army scheduling agreement in FB does/did not see Army eligible for the MAC CCG (and was much looser than the ND/ACC one).

As far as why the MAC would do it ... if there is to be a benefit to the MAC, it would have to be in late October and then into November, not in the middle of the season, so that the MAC can have more Saturday games during #MACtion.

(03-26-2016 09:18 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  UMass, NMSU and Idaho are already in contact about scheduling late season games.
Thus far, getting teams on the schedule hasn't been that difficult for UMass, other than the first season which nearly didn't get done in time. 2 years is not enough time to schedule 8 to 12 games. 3 years out is much easier. If NMSU and Idaho can get that first season done, they might be okay. Their remoteness works against them compared to UMass. I'm worried that Idaho is going to get chased off by how difficult getting that first season done looks. We're looking at the largest group of independents we've had in a long time if those 2 teams can hang around. "Independent" is going to start looking like an actual conference on the Standings page.

That's the thing. As you UMass fans know, the challenge to going indy is getting those late season games figured out. But the more independent teams there are, the easier that gets and the more viable independence becomes.

I really, really hope our administration doesn't wuss out on us. The Big Sky is a trap we'll never escape.

Idaho hired something called Collegiate Consulting to advise the President on the right move. My worry is that generally consultants tend to give you justification for making whatever move you were planning to make anyway, and our President seems to want to go FCS even though our AD and almost all the boosters don't. So the table is being set -- "hey, the consultants said the right move was Big Sky, don't blame me!"

My trust in Idaho to make the smart move for its athletics is very, very low. Based on history, I think my lack of trust is justified.

(03-26-2016 06:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 03:15 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Actually, it is between West Point and Moscow.

Rep'd. That was pretty clever.

It was my birthday. I had to bring out the clever!

Happy belated.

(03-27-2016 12:11 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 03:15 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Actually, it is between West Point and Moscow.

Rep'd. That was pretty clever.

It was my birthday. I had to bring out the clever!

Happy birthday the bad part of this for me is I always pull for Army when I watch the Army Navy game.

A typical MAC schedule is one money game one FCS and two G5.
This idea of mine would give them one G5 to replace the FCS game with.
The MAC teams will be at an advantage over these three being in a conference CFP money.
My thinking is ESPN would pay the equivalent of what one MAC school gets in their TV deal.
ESPN would be getting a better value its 12 games or six home games vs 8/4.
The MAC would get all the money covering all their travel and making a little for each road game.
They pay nothing for the home games so its an uneven deal .
It would be like adding a member and a half with no long term commitment and no revenue sharing.
MACTION gets increased exposure for four years longer if it benefits everyone involved.


The three independents get a higher level of stability.
They would need to schedule six games a year instead of four.
NMSU would play UTEP and New Mexico two P5 and two more .
U Mass would play H&H with a P5 a local FCS maybe a second P5 and close AAC teams.
Idaho would schedule two P5 a close FCS possibly Montana H&H and mostly MWC schools.

Those schedules would actually be better than the conferences these schools are leaving. a Second P5 offsets the revenue from the SBC which is basically the CFP money . I would think the schools might get the same deal as current independents.
300k APR and 500k ? CFP money for independents.

(03-27-2016 08:16 AM)MJG Wrote:  Those schedules would actually be better than the conferences these schools are leaving.

If it is truly better, then it would be expected that even more schools will leave their conference in favor of independence (vice being "forced" into it)?

I don't see an incentive for even the MAC to go out of its way for a scheduling arrangement with 3 independents with profiles that aren't much better than FCS schools.

The MAC would be better off scheduling the top FCS schools and staying flexible for better opportunities with quality schools.

(03-27-2016 09:01 AM)wleakr Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 08:16 AM)MJG Wrote:  Those schedules would actually be better than the conferences these schools are leaving.

If it is truly better, then it would be expected that even more schools will leave their conference in favor of independence (vice being "forced" into it)?

I don't see an incentive for even the MAC to go out of its way for a scheduling arrangement with 3 independents with profiles that aren't much better than FCS schools.

The MAC would be better off scheduling the top FCS schools and staying flexible for better opportunities with quality schools.

Flexible a four year deal is pretty flexible.
How does playing top FCS teams help?
First you risk losing almost as much second the games don't count as much for the G5 conference standings.
The way the conference ratings work is record vs P5 or G5 or FCS.
Losing to NDSU is worse than losing to North Texas even if NDSU is better.
The MAC would have twelve winnable G5 games to start with.
The MAC would have an advantage over conferences that play six to ten FCS a year.
They even get paid a little for the trouble .

The AAC and MWC are the preferred conferences for these three to schedule against. One of them doesn't work for all three and six games are left to schedule.
The SBC and CUSA don't have the right number of teams.