(03-16-2016 06:10 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  All these roomers. Where are facts?

It would not surprise me. Carey is not a good coach and the players who deal with him have had first-hand account of all of it. There's a reason Carey is not sought after during coaching openings. There were 15+ coaching jobs available this past season and no one pursued him for their opening.

(03-16-2016 07:41 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 06:10 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  All these roomers. Where are facts?

It would not surprise me. Carey is not a good coach and the players who deal with him have had first-hand account of all of it. There's a reason Carey is not sought after during coaching openings. There were 15+ coaching jobs available this past season and no one pursued him for their opening.

I find Carey to be an average coach. While I don't have a ton of faith in him, I do have it in Frazier. I don't think SF would ruin all his work by keeping Rod around if he was bad or if players continually complained about him. He's the Drew Hare of coaches…there's good and bad and hes going no where beyond NIU.

Plus, I'm sure the NIU coaching job is very attractive for young assistant coaches looking to make the leap to head coach. He could be replaced easily if he was too much of an issue.

(03-16-2016 04:20 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:12 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 10:51 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  In the MAC, you get into - and win - championship games with a stud QB. A top RB or WR will not do it. We need Hare, and he needs to step up his game for us to get back to the MACC. Competition from WMU and Toledo (with whom we gave up a home game) will make things very tough. Oh, and we need to beat CMU for a change!

(03-16-2016 03:34 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 03:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 03:15 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Another winning record, another MAC West title, another championship game appearance, another high APR, another Toledo W, another year of nobody arrested, assaulted, or killed.

Amazing what defines "disappointing" nowadays.....

Disappointing end would be more appropriate. That bowl game though, that game absolutely puts a cold wet blanket on this upcoming year. Never have seen a Huskie team just quit like that, never.

You gotta let that "quitting" bowl loss go. Kids today have a different attitude. The older generation wants every team to play like they're Rudy Ruettiger being coached by Lombardi even when they're 0-10. That team had high goals and somewhere along the way the wheels came off(Boston College?). Then Hare was lost. Then Graham. That team knew it couldn't accomplish what it set out for. It was just disheartened. No one "lost" the team.

It won't carry over this season one bit.

Is that too much to ask?

The wheels did not come off vs BC. The race had not even started yet. I would have to point to the second half of the Buffalo game, when the Huskies almost squandered a 25 point half-time lead.

From then on, each game just got worse.
Win by 11
Win by 8
Lose by 5
Lose by 20
Lose by 48.

If this trend continues, Wyoming will beat the Huskies by a score of 103-0.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. It's just a generational thing. Idk if it's the need for instant gratification or what. But it seems like todays youth just views things differently.

To me, the BC loss really crushed any dream season. If your only blemish had been a 7 point loss on the road to the #1 team in the nation, you're in the top 15 at worst and the for sure at-large BCS team. The BC loss almost ruined any chance of a top 25 ranking. I'm just speculating, but I think the team had those BCS busting hopes. Those were done in Boston, and hence maybe their dreams.

After losing to BC, the Huskies were still undefeated in the MAC (at 0-0), with their whole MAC schedule ahead of them. You should not even think of busting the BCS until late November.

(03-16-2016 06:10 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  All these roomers. Where are facts?

The Boise game box score and game film.

(03-17-2016 12:11 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 06:10 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  All these roomers. Where are facts?

The Boise game box score and game film.

Re: the walk-out rumor, recall that when it first bubbled up after the Boise game 7 asked one of the current players about it and he said there was nothing to it.

(03-17-2016 12:09 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:20 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:12 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 10:51 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  In the MAC, you get into - and win - championship games with a stud QB. A top RB or WR will not do it. We need Hare, and he needs to step up his game for us to get back to the MACC. Competition from WMU and Toledo (with whom we gave up a home game) will make things very tough. Oh, and we need to beat CMU for a change!

(03-16-2016 03:34 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 03:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Disappointing end would be more appropriate. That bowl game though, that game absolutely puts a cold wet blanket on this upcoming year. Never have seen a Huskie team just quit like that, never.

You gotta let that "quitting" bowl loss go. Kids today have a different attitude. The older generation wants every team to play like they're Rudy Ruettiger being coached by Lombardi even when they're 0-10. That team had high goals and somewhere along the way the wheels came off(Boston College?). Then Hare was lost. Then Graham. That team knew it couldn't accomplish what it set out for. It was just disheartened. No one "lost" the team.

It won't carry over this season one bit.

Is that too much to ask?

The wheels did not come off vs BC. The race had not even started yet. I would have to point to the second half of the Buffalo game, when the Huskies almost squandered a 25 point half-time lead.

From then on, each game just got worse.
Win by 11
Win by 8
Lose by 5
Lose by 20
Lose by 48.

If this trend continues, Wyoming will beat the Huskies by a score of 103-0.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. It's just a generational thing. Idk if it's the need for instant gratification or what. But it seems like todays youth just views things differently.

To me, the BC loss really crushed any dream season. If your only blemish had been a 7 point loss on the road to the #1 team in the nation, you're in the top 15 at worst and the for sure at-large BCS team. The BC loss almost ruined any chance of a top 25 ranking. I'm just speculating, but I think the team had those BCS busting hopes. Those were done in Boston, and hence maybe their dreams.

After losing to BC, the Huskies were still undefeated in the MAC (at 0-0), with their whole MAC schedule ahead of them. You should not even think of busting the BCS until late November.

No, but NIU had just come off a 7 pt loss to #1 defending champ OSU. At the time we didn't know OSU was as dysfunctional as would later prove . So I'm guessing NIU thought they hung with the best team in the land for 4 qts. To lose and look bad against maybe the 50th best team in BC had to be hugely deflating. The MAC schedule is almost always runnable by the Huskies. I'm sure they thought if they could hang with the best team in the land, the MAC schedule was totally doable.

(03-17-2016 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 12:09 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:20 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:12 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 10:51 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  In the MAC, you get into - and win - championship games with a stud QB. A top RB or WR will not do it. We need Hare, and he needs to step up his game for us to get back to the MACC. Competition from WMU and Toledo (with whom we gave up a home game) will make things very tough. Oh, and we need to beat CMU for a change!

(03-16-2016 03:34 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  You gotta let that "quitting" bowl loss go. Kids today have a different attitude. The older generation wants every team to play like they're Rudy Ruettiger being coached by Lombardi even when they're 0-10. That team had high goals and somewhere along the way the wheels came off(Boston College?). Then Hare was lost. Then Graham. That team knew it couldn't accomplish what it set out for. It was just disheartened. No one "lost" the team.

It won't carry over this season one bit.

Is that too much to ask?

The wheels did not come off vs BC. The race had not even started yet. I would have to point to the second half of the Buffalo game, when the Huskies almost squandered a 25 point half-time lead.

From then on, each game just got worse.
Win by 11
Win by 8
Lose by 5
Lose by 20
Lose by 48.

If this trend continues, Wyoming will beat the Huskies by a score of 103-0.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. It's just a generational thing. Idk if it's the need for instant gratification or what. But it seems like todays youth just views things differently.

To me, the BC loss really crushed any dream season. If your only blemish had been a 7 point loss on the road to the #1 team in the nation, you're in the top 15 at worst and the for sure at-large BCS team. The BC loss almost ruined any chance of a top 25 ranking. I'm just speculating, but I think the team had those BCS busting hopes. Those were done in Boston, and hence maybe their dreams.

After losing to BC, the Huskies were still undefeated in the MAC (at 0-0), with their whole MAC schedule ahead of them. You should not even think of busting the BCS until late November.

No, but NIU had just come off a 7 pt loss to #1 defending champ OSU. At the time we didn't know OSU was as dysfunctional as would later prove . So I'm guessing NIU thought they hung with the best team in the land for 4 qts. To lose and look bad against maybe the 50th best team in BC had to be hugely deflating. The MAC schedule is almost always runnable by the Huskies. I'm sure they thought if they could hang with the best team in the land, the MAC schedule was totally doable.

I really think there was a hangover effect from Ohio State into that BC game. NIU was in position to beat the #1 team in the country, yet coaching essentially blockaded that from even having a chance. If I was a player that would have pissed me off too.

Although I have some misgivings about Carey, I think the changes in both the OC and DC positions should help. If anyone thinks Frazier will replace Carey, I believe he signed an contract through 2019. We do not have the money to eat the contract. I think Kevin Kane will help rebuild our recruiting ties To Missouri and Kansas. I also think couch U. will work very hard in the recruiting process, which he seems to enjoy. Thad Ward will certainly be missed for his work in recruiting Florida. I believe that Coach Carey may be under review, but I do not see him leaving soon due to his contract. I have more faith in the asst. coaches than the head coach.

(03-17-2016 01:03 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Re: the walk-out rumor, recall that when it first bubbled up after the Boise game 7 asked one of the current players about it and he said there was nothing to it.

Like he would say anything else. I don't know that specific rumor is true, but something strange was going on for that Boise game to so historically bad. Even a banged up 4th or 5th string QB doesn't explain what happened. Statistically, and in pretty much every other sense, it was arguably the worst beating in major college football history.

(03-17-2016 03:16 PM)thetachihuskie Wrote:  Although I have some misgivings about Carey, I think the changes in both the OC and DC positions should help. If anyone thinks Frazier will replace Carey, I believe he signed an contract through 2019. We do not have the money to eat the contract. I think Kevin Kane will help rebuild our recruiting ties To Missouri and Kansas. I also think couch U. will work very hard in the recruiting process, which he seems to enjoy. Thad Ward will certainly be missed for his work in recruiting Florida. I believe that Coach Carey may be under review, but I do not see him leaving soon due to his contract. I have more faith in the asst. coaches than the head coach.

Our defensive coordinator was a big loss. He did good things in his time here.

I think it's very telling that Frazier did not give Carey another one year contract extension.

(03-17-2016 05:38 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Our defensive coordinator was a big loss. He did good things in his time here.

I think it's very telling that Frazier did not give Carey another one year contract extension.

Even more odd because at last years Summer Circuit Frazier had said, as part of the Q&A, that he was working on a new contract for Carey which would help protect NIU (as far as Carey being hired away) and it would be announced soon...that was 9 months ago.

(03-17-2016 01:03 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Re: the walk-out rumor, recall that when it first bubbled up after the Boise game 7 asked one of the current players about it and he said there was nothing to it.

If you only knew !! wow

(03-16-2016 04:48 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:47 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 03:31 PM)NiuFootballfan Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 03:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 03:15 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Another winning record, another MAC West title, another championship game appearance, another high APR, another Toledo W, another year of nobody arrested, assaulted, or killed.

Amazing what defines "disappointing" nowadays.....

Disappointing end would be more appropriate. That bowl game though, that game absolutely puts a cold wet blanket on this upcoming year. Never have seen a Huskie team just quit like that, never.

The entire team walked out of practice on Carey (cussing and using profanities) a week before the bowl game. Heard it was not a pretty site. That's the main reason for the dismantling vs Boise. Quite frankly, they had no intention to play that game.

How was this never reported anywhere? I'm sure there was some media or fans with cell phones or something at a bowl practice. I've just never read anything on it. Could it be just an exaggeration? Maybe a few players? Not saying it's not true, but is there any proof other than heresy?

The proof to me was on the football field. You don't get that type of quit without a huge underlying issue

What have you people been told happened before they left for the bowl game I would be interested in the talk would love to hear the versions being told LOL

(03-18-2016 09:14 AM)randy6956 Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 01:03 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Re: the walk-out rumor, recall that when it first bubbled up after the Boise game 7 asked one of the current players about it and he said there was nothing to it.

If you only knew !! wow

Yes, if you only knew. Got ugly.

(03-18-2016 09:14 AM)randy6956 Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 01:03 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Re: the walk-out rumor, recall that when it first bubbled up after the Boise game 7 asked one of the current players about it and he said there was nothing to it.

If you only knew !! wow

randy6956, you obviously have some sort of inside connect as proof of your having knowledge of Coach Ward leaving the day before it reached media.

Up to you, but feel free to clarify the alleged "walk-out" or alleged disconnect between Carey & players. I understand you may or may not have anything to add or may pass if you do.

(03-17-2016 02:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 12:09 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:20 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:12 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  Is that too much to ask?

The wheels did not come off vs BC. The race had not even started yet. I would have to point to the second half of the Buffalo game, when the Huskies almost squandered a 25 point half-time lead.

From then on, each game just got worse.
Win by 11
Win by 8
Lose by 5
Lose by 20
Lose by 48.

If this trend continues, Wyoming will beat the Huskies by a score of 103-0.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. It's just a generational thing. Idk if it's the need for instant gratification or what. But it seems like todays youth just views things differently.

To me, the BC loss really crushed any dream season. If your only blemish had been a 7 point loss on the road to the #1 team in the nation, you're in the top 15 at worst and the for sure at-large BCS team. The BC loss almost ruined any chance of a top 25 ranking. I'm just speculating, but I think the team had those BCS busting hopes. Those were done in Boston, and hence maybe their dreams.

After losing to BC, the Huskies were still undefeated in the MAC (at 0-0), with their whole MAC schedule ahead of them. You should not even think of busting the BCS until late November.

No, but NIU had just come off a 7 pt loss to #1 defending champ OSU. At the time we didn't know OSU was as dysfunctional as would later prove . So I'm guessing NIU thought they hung with the best team in the land for 4 qts. To lose and look bad against maybe the 50th best team in BC had to be hugely deflating. The MAC schedule is almost always runnable by the Huskies. I'm sure they thought if they could hang with the best team in the land, the MAC schedule was totally doable.

I really think there was a hangover effect from Ohio State into that BC game. NIU was in position to beat the #1 team in the country, yet coaching essentially blockaded that from even having a chance. If I was a player that would have pissed me off too.

I do not know what was going through the players' heads after the OSU game, and neither do you. If I felt the players thought all was lost after OSU, and that affected their emotional drive in Boston, Mt. Pleasant and San Diego, then I would be joining the dump Carey bandwagon too. I would also want some starters to go with him, and clean house of a viral bad attitude.

I do not feel that way. I just think the Huskies took a step back last year from the dominant team they had in '14. In Poker terms, I think Carey did the best he could with the hand he had.

(03-18-2016 12:51 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 02:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 12:09 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:20 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I'm not saying it's a good thing. It's just a generational thing. Idk if it's the need for instant gratification or what. But it seems like todays youth just views things differently.

To me, the BC loss really crushed any dream season. If your only blemish had been a 7 point loss on the road to the #1 team in the nation, you're in the top 15 at worst and the for sure at-large BCS team. The BC loss almost ruined any chance of a top 25 ranking. I'm just speculating, but I think the team had those BCS busting hopes. Those were done in Boston, and hence maybe their dreams.

After losing to BC, the Huskies were still undefeated in the MAC (at 0-0), with their whole MAC schedule ahead of them. You should not even think of busting the BCS until late November.

No, but NIU had just come off a 7 pt loss to #1 defending champ OSU. At the time we didn't know OSU was as dysfunctional as would later prove . So I'm guessing NIU thought they hung with the best team in the land for 4 qts. To lose and look bad against maybe the 50th best team in BC had to be hugely deflating. The MAC schedule is almost always runnable by the Huskies. I'm sure they thought if they could hang with the best team in the land, the MAC schedule was totally doable.

I really think there was a hangover effect from Ohio State into that BC game. NIU was in position to beat the #1 team in the country, yet coaching essentially blockaded that from even having a chance. If I was a player that would have pissed me off too.

I do not know what was going through the players' heads after the OSU game, and neither do you. If I felt the players thought all was lost after OSU, and that affected their emotional drive in Boston, Mt. Pleasant and San Diego, then I would be joining the dump Carey bandwagon too. I would also want some starters to go with him, and clean house of a viral bad attitude.

I do not feel that way. I just think the Huskies took a step back last year from the dominant team they had in '14. In Poker terms, I think Carey did the best he could with the hand he had.

I am not sure if you have some connection with Carey but the questions with him grow every day. It would be impossible for some divide to not be created him with after the Ohio State game when he waved the white flag. Then, you think you back to the obscene QB cluster 2 years ago, and then the entire team giving up in the bowl game, it certainly is red flag time. To not put a major portion of the blame on Carey for that bowl game when the team you are responsible for all decides not to play the game is ridiculous. When is the last time you saw an NIU universally quit like in that Boise St game, it was shameful and embarrassing.