(03-08-2016 10:20 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Wonder how far UofL will go in the big dance this year....er wait

Its ok. They got that football championship from last year to fall back on when feeling low

(03-07-2016 09:07 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 09:00 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 07:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 07:45 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  UMass couldn't nut up to join the MAC....

True. But what school out there other than a UMass would make it so obvious that they would join under those circumstances? Byu and Army could join whenever they wanted, so they wouldn't care about an expansion.

Byu might if the dollars were enough and they were passed over again

would the AAC let them keep the BYU network and everything that goes with it?

Not sure. Today the net only allows them rights reair home games. The rest of their games would belong to the AAC. What I don't know is if the rights deal includes bball or if that is separate.

(03-08-2016 04:37 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 04:31 PM)jwawker Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 04:20 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 04:02 PM)jwawker Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Ask current Big 12 members how much they care about WVU

West Virginia is the Boston College of the Big 12 in terms of relevance.

Remind me where WVU is ranked right now? What seed they are in the B12 tournament?

I was not comparing their athletic competitiveness to BC's lack of. WVU has been a bad fit there from the start, and the Big 12 would have taken Louisville if they had a chance for a do-over.

Disagree.

First, I think the B12 meant to take WVU first and then pick-up Louisville after picking up additional ACC teams for a grand-total of 14. Nobody thought that UL was going to go to the ACC at the time. But WVU fits the B12 profile better than UL...it's not an accident that they got added. It's just a miscalculation that UL wasn't there to compliment WVU at a later point.

Second, WVU is making itself relevant because of their performance.

The B12 is not having "buyers remorse." They perhaps are regretting the decision not to take WVU and UL at the first, but I suspect they will fix that.

+3 Spot on!

I got the utmost respect for da ville, with all sincerity they saved the big East when they came in an because of this sheeres team gets to be on TV often

I wont talk crap about the Ville or WVU, cause we all know wed trade places with them in a heartbeat.

(03-08-2016 02:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the AAC add UMASS if UCONN is gone???? That would make zero sense IMHO. (And yes, I know Marshall is not in consideration, so there's that.) Navy and Temple have one another, so why add an outlier?

Be interesting to see what Marshall would do if invited? All the reason to jump ship immediately but they would have to pause. Their ability to accept NQs (or whatever you currently call it) is a big recruiting advantage. Something they have smartly taken full advantage of. Would...actually Could they give that up to move to the AAC? It's thier ace in the pocket that I believe they know is hugely valued to their current run of success. Poor Kings of the CUSA or Middle Class Income/Lower Success in the AAC?

I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

(03-09-2016 11:28 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the AAC add UMASS if UCONN is gone???? That would make zero sense IMHO. (And yes, I know Marshall is not in consideration, so there's that.) Navy and Temple have one another, so why add an outlier?

Be interesting to see what Marshall would do if invited? All the reason to jump ship immediately but they would have to pause. Their ability to accept NQs (or whatever you currently call it) is a big recruiting advantage. Something they have smartly taken full advantage of. Would...actually Could they give that up to move to the AAC? It's thier ace in the pocket that I believe they know is hugely valued to their current run of success. Poor Kings of the CUSA or Middle Class Income/Lower Success in the AAC?

I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

(03-09-2016 11:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:28 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the AAC add UMASS if UCONN is gone???? That would make zero sense IMHO. (And yes, I know Marshall is not in consideration, so there's that.) Navy and Temple have one another, so why add an outlier?

Be interesting to see what Marshall would do if invited? All the reason to jump ship immediately but they would have to pause. Their ability to accept NQs (or whatever you currently call it) is a big recruiting advantage. Something they have smartly taken full advantage of. Would...actually Could they give that up to move to the AAC? It's thier ace in the pocket that I believe they know is hugely valued to their current run of success. Poor Kings of the CUSA or Middle Class Income/Lower Success in the AAC?

I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

Who said anything about rivals??? And I said that we wouldn't get the invite, so why the diatribe as to why we wouldn't? Someone posed a thought about how we would do. I chimed in with an opinion.

(03-09-2016 11:47 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:28 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the AAC add UMASS if UCONN is gone???? That would make zero sense IMHO. (And yes, I know Marshall is not in consideration, so there's that.) Navy and Temple have one another, so why add an outlier?

Be interesting to see what Marshall would do if invited? All the reason to jump ship immediately but they would have to pause. Their ability to accept NQs (or whatever you currently call it) is a big recruiting advantage. Something they have smartly taken full advantage of. Would...actually Could they give that up to move to the AAC? It's thier ace in the pocket that I believe they know is hugely valued to their current run of success. Poor Kings of the CUSA or Middle Class Income/Lower Success in the AAC?

I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

Who said anything about rivals??? And I said that we wouldn't get the invite, so why the diatribe as to why we wouldn't? Someone posed a thought about how we would do. I chimed in with an opinion.

Brothers/Rivals whatever else you call it. Secondly my question is what money are you referencing that the AAC gets that would help Marshall?

(03-09-2016 12:13 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:47 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:28 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Be interesting to see what Marshall would do if invited? All the reason to jump ship immediately but they would have to pause. Their ability to accept NQs (or whatever you currently call it) is a big recruiting advantage. Something they have smartly taken full advantage of. Would...actually Could they give that up to move to the AAC? It's thier ace in the pocket that I believe they know is hugely valued to their current run of success. Poor Kings of the CUSA or Middle Class Income/Lower Success in the AAC?

I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

Who said anything about rivals??? And I said that we wouldn't get the invite, so why the diatribe as to why we wouldn't? Someone posed a thought about how we would do. I chimed in with an opinion.

Brothers/Rivals whatever else you call it. Secondly my question is what money are you referencing that the AAC gets that would help Marshall?

Eh, I should have been more clear. IMHO it's more likely than not (if the AAC keeps trending up)the AB winner will come from the AAC... I meant CFP money...

(03-08-2016 03:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:22 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:04 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Memphis and Cincinnati are the bridge to West Virginia

Someone has to explain to me about this travel partner stuff, how does that help WVU? They get one or two games a year with a little less travel, big deal. I guess it is helpful to the rest of the conference.

Yes it is not for WVU, it is for the rest of the conference. For example, instead of Texas Tech's women's basketball traveling to West Virginia on Thursday and then going back to Lubbock for a Saturday home tilt or traveling else where in the conference, they stick around and play at Cincinnati on Saturday. That is the definition of "travel partner". It saves on travel costs of all the schools.

Then why do all the talking heads say WVU is the leader as far as pushing for expansion? They are willing to dilute the payouts so they can save a few hundred miles of travel for a couple games a year? They always say "WVU wants to add a team so they can have a travel partner" WTF. I don't get it.

(03-09-2016 11:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:28 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the AAC add UMASS if UCONN is gone???? That would make zero sense IMHO. (And yes, I know Marshall is not in consideration, so there's that.) Navy and Temple have one another, so why add an outlier?

Be interesting to see what Marshall would do if invited? All the reason to jump ship immediately but they would have to pause. Their ability to accept NQs (or whatever you currently call it) is a big recruiting advantage. Something they have smartly taken full advantage of. Would...actually Could they give that up to move to the AAC? It's thier ace in the pocket that I believe they know is hugely valued to their current run of success. Poor Kings of the CUSA or Middle Class Income/Lower Success in the AAC?

I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

Marv needs to chill and get some Pirate booty. Fair question put out there and he simply answered it...and nothing cocky about his response either.

I do believe the NQ is very important to Marshall. It attracts plenty of those players who should/would go JUCO. Case in point your Yulee kid decommits from Bama due to grades and immediately gets accepted by Marshall. No other P5 could take him.

(03-09-2016 12:15 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:13 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:47 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:28 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

Who said anything about rivals??? And I said that we wouldn't get the invite, so why the diatribe as to why we wouldn't? Someone posed a thought about how we would do. I chimed in with an opinion.

Brothers/Rivals whatever else you call it. Secondly my question is what money are you referencing that the AAC gets that would help Marshall?

Eh, I should have been more clear. IMHO it's more likely than not (if the AAC keeps trending up)the AB winner will come from the AAC... I meant CFP money...

Alright. That is clearer.

My statements went back to the proposition that the AAC have chosen schools that bring stuff to the party. Every one of those schools generate their own revenues and have high budgets. Marshall is in a similar situation to USM; in that they don't have any money and therefore without some form of concessions from the other league members (whether making academic standards more lax or whatever) neither Marshall nor USM could not continue to compete long term.

There is a reason that Marshall was not very competitive in CUSA. Marshall didn't have the resources. USM didn't have the resources either. Looking back we can see that they took shortcuts to be competitive.

(03-09-2016 12:35 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:28 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:20 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the AAC add UMASS if UCONN is gone???? That would make zero sense IMHO. (And yes, I know Marshall is not in consideration, so there's that.) Navy and Temple have one another, so why add an outlier?

Be interesting to see what Marshall would do if invited? All the reason to jump ship immediately but they would have to pause. Their ability to accept NQs (or whatever you currently call it) is a big recruiting advantage. Something they have smartly taken full advantage of. Would...actually Could they give that up to move to the AAC? It's thier ace in the pocket that I believe they know is hugely valued to their current run of success. Poor Kings of the CUSA or Middle Class Income/Lower Success in the AAC?

I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

Marv needs to chill and get some Pirate booty. Fair question put out there and he simply answered it...and nothing cocky about his response either.

I do believe the NQ is very important to Marshall. It attracts plenty of those players who should/would go JUCO. Case in point your Yulee kid decommits from Bama due to grades and immediately gets accepted by Marshall. No other P5 could take him.

It is more to it than NQ's. Marshall doesn't have the money to compete. Neither does USM. That is why the high budget programs split from CUSA to begin with and they invited the other high budget programs from CUSA into the AAC.

Even if UConn and Cincinnati leave which I wouldn't mind seeing happen because that would get rid of the unrest; the AAC would still remain a really strong conference because of the budgets. Btw, the only school that I think will eventually leave is UConn to the ACC.

(03-09-2016 12:29 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:22 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:04 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Memphis and Cincinnati are the bridge to West Virginia

Someone has to explain to me about this travel partner stuff, how does that help WVU? They get one or two games a year with a little less travel, big deal. I guess it is helpful to the rest of the conference.

Yes it is not for WVU, it is for the rest of the conference. For example, instead of Texas Tech's women's basketball traveling to West Virginia on Thursday and then going back to Lubbock for a Saturday home tilt or traveling else where in the conference, they stick around and play at Cincinnati on Saturday. That is the definition of "travel partner". It saves on travel costs of all the schools.

Then why do all the talking heads say WVU is the leader as far as pushing for expansion? They are willing to dilute the payouts so they can save a few hundred miles of travel for a couple games a year? They always say "WVU wants to add a team so they can have a travel partner" WTF. I don't get it.

The issue for WVU is to have some conference games their fans can easily travel to. Right now the closest conference mate is over 900 miles away. UC is only 300 miles from Morgantown.

(03-09-2016 12:35 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:15 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:13 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:47 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

Who said anything about rivals??? And I said that we wouldn't get the invite, so why the diatribe as to why we wouldn't? Someone posed a thought about how we would do. I chimed in with an opinion.

Brothers/Rivals whatever else you call it. Secondly my question is what money are you referencing that the AAC gets that would help Marshall?

Eh, I should have been more clear. IMHO it's more likely than not (if the AAC keeps trending up)the AB winner will come from the AAC... I meant CFP money...

Alright. That is clearer.

My statements went back to the proposition that the AAC have chosen schools that bring stuff to the party. Every one of those schools generate their own revenues and have high budgets. Marshall is in a similar situation to USM; in that they don't have any money and therefore without some form of concessions from the other league members (whether making academic standards more lax or whatever) neither Marshall nor USM could not continue to compete long term.

There is a reason that Marshall was not very competitive in CUSA. Marshall didn't have the resources. USM didn't have the resources either. Looking back we can see that they took shortcuts to be competitive.

Agree for the most part. Remember, we were also suffering from the loss of scholarships from the NCAA under Pruett, so I think that played a role in not being as competitive.

(03-09-2016 12:40 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:35 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 11:28 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 02:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Be interesting to see what Marshall would do if invited? All the reason to jump ship immediately but they would have to pause. Their ability to accept NQs (or whatever you currently call it) is a big recruiting advantage. Something they have smartly taken full advantage of. Would...actually Could they give that up to move to the AAC? It's thier ace in the pocket that I believe they know is hugely valued to their current run of success. Poor Kings of the CUSA or Middle Class Income/Lower Success in the AAC?

I think we'd do okay. I don't think we'd burn up the league, but I think we'd have a decent chance of being bowl eligible more often than not. The NQ thing is a factor, but not as big of one as one would think.

The real fly in the ointment for us would be budget. We would be at the bottom of the AAC and just wouldn't have the resources that some of the top AAC schools have (however, receiving AAC money would certainly help that).

If I were to list pros and cons:

Pros:
Good fit geographically
Decent national brand (Not huge, but many football fans know who we are)
Good football and basketball is on the rise
Overall good attendance
Dollars generated from fans compared with other options

Cons:
NQ's (Which wouldn't be an issue as we'd have to stop taking them)
Budget
Not the best academic match
Baseball facilities (or lack thereof)
Henderson Center needs an overhaul

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than if we got an invite. It would be nice to be among the likes of our old CUSA brothers and Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Navy, but I just don't see it. IMHO

First of all what money does the AAC receive that could help Marshall? Money is the one thing that the AAC does not get a lot of. Secondly, Marshall was only in CUSA for about 7 years with the schools that departed for the AAC; which is about the same length of time that UTEP and Rice were in the conference. No one considers UTEP and Rice old CUSA rivals and no one considers Marshall an old rival either. Now USM on the other hand is an old CUSA rival. They were in one form of the league or another for over 20 years with the schools that departed for the AAC.

Finally, there are about 3 current CUSA schools that would be invited before Marshall even got a phone call, but none of those schools would get invited either. Fwiw, think about the AAC model and then realize that ODU, UNC-Charlotte and Rice fit that model. Hell even Middle Tennessee fits the model closer than Marshall does. None of those schools would get invited because they bring nothing. In a few years ODU and UNC-Charlotte might be ready, but right now both schools have work to do.

Marv needs to chill and get some Pirate booty. Fair question put out there and he simply answered it...and nothing cocky about his response either.

I do believe the NQ is very important to Marshall. It attracts plenty of those players who should/would go JUCO. Case in point your Yulee kid decommits from Bama due to grades and immediately gets accepted by Marshall. No other P5 could take him.

It is more to it than NQ's. Marshall doesn't have the money to compete. Neither does USM. That is why the high budget programs split from CUSA to begin with and they invited the other high budget programs from CUSA into the AAC.

Even if UConn and Cincinnati leave which I wouldn't mind seeing happen because that would get rid of the unrest; the AAC would still remain a really strong conference because of the budgets. Btw, the only school that I think will eventually leave is UConn to the ACC.

Agree again. Our budget would be the lowest in the AAC...

I thought we had decided? See...

(03-07-2016 10:15 PM)panama Wrote:  It's NIU

(03-07-2016 10:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If UC and UCONN leave I see NIU getting an invite.

Now people keep flip flopping and it's gettin me all nervous again, rally around me future AAC brothers!!!

Or at least i hope future AAC brothers =/

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The AAC with Aresco at the helm is looking at markets.

I could see them looking at NIU (Chicago...on some level ha), Ga. State (Atlanta), and UMass (North East corridor) before So. Miss, Marshall, etc. Nothing against those schools but no markets involved there.

(03-09-2016 12:41 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:29 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:22 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 03:04 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Memphis and Cincinnati are the bridge to West Virginia

Someone has to explain to me about this travel partner stuff, how does that help WVU? They get one or two games a year with a little less travel, big deal. I guess it is helpful to the rest of the conference.

Yes it is not for WVU, it is for the rest of the conference. For example, instead of Texas Tech's women's basketball traveling to West Virginia on Thursday and then going back to Lubbock for a Saturday home tilt or traveling else where in the conference, they stick around and play at Cincinnati on Saturday. That is the definition of "travel partner". It saves on travel costs of all the schools.

Then why do all the talking heads say WVU is the leader as far as pushing for expansion? They are willing to dilute the payouts so they can save a few hundred miles of travel for a couple games a year? They always say "WVU wants to add a team so they can have a travel partner" WTF. I don't get it.

The issue for WVU is to have some conference games their fans can easily travel to. Right now the closest conference mate is over 900 miles away. UC is only 300 miles from Morgantown.

So you dilute the league (arguably of course) so one fanbase can travel to one Bball game a year and one FBall game every two years. IDK