(03-07-2016 09:34 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 09:27 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 09:06 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 08:54 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 08:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  No to UMASS

SMU @ Umass in Foxboro would be a hot game.

Someone in the drive-through just called you a twink what does that mean?

I'm on the fry station...leave me alone. I have to concentrate.

someone just stole your Miata

it was your boyfriend....he'll bring it back.

(03-07-2016 09:33 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 08:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 08:33 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 08:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 07:17 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  UMASS would make sense as an addition but only if UConn is still a conference mate. They are a project but UConn gives them an antagonist to push the development they need.

Im not in any way saying UMass would be a good move---I'm just saying they would jump instantly at the opportunity to join.

In truth---its tougher if we just lose one. If you lose 2, standing pat at 10 works just fine.

If we lose one, the best option is Army. After that, the next best option is to go to 14 with Army+Air Force+Colorado St. I think there is a small chance that might actually fly.

If none of those options are available, the remaining choices are all pretty bad and offer no immediate up side beyond providing a warm body for #12. Despite the difficulties of an 11 team conference with unbalanced divisions---I might think standing pat at 11 could still be the best bet. Otherwise your adding S Miss, or UMass, or Marshall, or Old Dominion, or some other random that just soaks up a full share and doesn't really add any real value for the renegotiation that is right around the corner.

UMAss football only? Just because it lets you stand pat long term, while filling the #12 spot for football. Not that UMAss is any prize, but they'd take an arrangement where you could do to them what the Sun Belt did to Idaho and NMSU. I'm not sure that you can do a CCG with 11, scheduling a round-robin. I know you can't with 13--the SEC found that out when they had A&M and before they got Mizzou.

So...
AAC EAst: UMass, UConn, Temple, ECU, USF, UCF
AAC West: NAvy, Cincy, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU (6 of 7)

Nah. With the G5 performance pool being worth more, there is greater disincentive to add to bottom of a conference. UMass football is horrible. We don't need their 4 automatic OOC losses a year. Worse yet, the most attractive part of their athletics would be basketball (which is usually decent)---which you are not adding.

Nope, I'd stand pat and maybe add Wichita as a non-football member. I think that makes more sense and leaves the conference with more flexibility in future moves.

I was thinking if you guys lost 1. If you lose nobody, you either stand pat or maybe grab Wichita. IF you lose 2, same thing.

But if you lose 1, you can't stand pat at 11, unless you drop your CCG. The advantage of UMAss FB only is that you can get rid of them if you want to. IF you take UMass as a full member, you're not getting rid of them.

Like Charlie Sheen used to say about hookers "I'm not paying for the sex. I'm paying them to leave." That's what UMass FB only does for the AAC.

Looking at it that way, UMass FB-only might be more attractive than bringing in Northern Illinois or Southern Miss or Rice or Marshall as a full member.

No. We could keep the CCG. We would just need an NCAA waiver just like the MAC gets every year. Yes, unbalanced divisions would be a pain---but better a pain in the butt than adding a team that's a potential boat anchor around your neck. I suspect that over time, a clear viable choice for #12 will rise from the G5. It might be UMass---it might not. It might be somebody we would never really consider right now.

It's NIU

If UC and UCONN leave I see NIU getting an invite.

(03-07-2016 10:15 PM)panama Wrote:  It's NIU

lol...program isn't bad....but that attendance is gawd awful.

(03-07-2016 10:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:15 PM)panama Wrote:  It's NIU

lol...program isn't bad....but that attendance is gawd awful.

they will fit right in then

(03-07-2016 10:22 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:15 PM)panama Wrote:  It's NIU

lol...program isn't bad....but that attendance is gawd awful.

they will fit right in then

Tubbs will get you to the promised land

(03-07-2016 10:22 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:15 PM)panama Wrote:  It's NIU

lol...program isn't bad....but that attendance is gawd awful.

they will fit right in then

Bazinga

UMass and Marshall --- if two

On a serious note, I cannot for the life of me, figure out what the obsession is on this board with UMass. Let's see...

On attendance:
NIU > UMass

On Football history and accomplishments:
NIU> UMass

On potential market size:
NIU> UMass

On running water and interior bathrooms in their football stadium:
NIU > UMass

Oh, but UMass is a "flagship" school... Whatever.

I seriously can list ten schools without thinking about it that would be "> UMass" who would come in a heartbeat.

(03-07-2016 10:42 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  UMass and Marshall --- if two

On the other hand, if you're adding UMass and Marshall, that probably means UC ain't around no more anyways.

So have fun.
Knock yourselves out.

BYU and Memphis 100%

If we lose 2, I really think the AAC will stay at 10. No need to water down our product any further. Umass does nothing for us and nobody watches NIU (sorry but its true). No MWC teams are coming and theres nothing left in CUSA or Sunbelt that is worth anything.

I still tend to think that the Big 12 either stays at 10 or goes all out and grabs 4.

(03-07-2016 10:51 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:42 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  UMass and Marshall --- if two

On the other hand, if you're adding UMass and Marshall, that probably means UC ain't around no more anyways.

That's my assumption. Avoids Temple out on an island. Plus two nationally known schools.

(03-07-2016 10:44 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  On a serious note, I cannot for the life of me, figure out what the obsession is on this board with UMass. Let's see...

On attendance:
NIU > UMass

On Football history and accomplishments:
NIU> UMass

On potential market size:
NIU> UMass

On running water and interior bathrooms in their football stadium:
NIU > UMass

Oh, but UMass is a "flagship" school... Whatever.

I seriously can list ten schools without thinking about it that would be "> UMass" who would come in a heartbeat.

Is NIU still being gifted Chicago?

(03-07-2016 10:42 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  UMass and Marshall --- if two

Time to arm the ejection seat.

(03-07-2016 11:00 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If we lose 2, I really think the AAC will stay at 10. No need to water down our product any further. Umass does nothing for us and nobody watches NIU (sorry but its true). No MWC teams are coming and theres nothing left in CUSA or Sunbelt that is worth anything.

I still tend to think that the Big 12 either stays at 10 or goes all out and grabs 4.

I don't think the TV money is there for 4 adds. It will be 2 if they add at all.

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(03-07-2016 10:15 PM)panama Wrote:  It's NIU

(03-07-2016 10:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If UC and UCONN leave I see NIU getting an invite.

(03-07-2016 10:44 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  On a serious note, I cannot for the life of me, figure out what the obsession is on this board with UMass. Let's see...

On attendance:
NIU > UMass

On Football history and accomplishments:
NIU> UMass

On potential market size:
NIU> UMass

On running water and interior bathrooms in their football stadium:
NIU > UMass

Oh, but UMass is a "flagship" school... Whatever.

I seriously can list ten schools without thinking about it that would be "> UMass" who would come in a heartbeat.

Got me over here like



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I say best bets would be NIU and UMass, maybe Army and Marshall could be on that list too.

For expansion, let's look beyond attendance to:

1. How much ticket revenue do a school's fans generate, plus
2. How much do a school's fans donate on top of their ticket purchases

Source USAToday. Three-year approximate "fan support" average:

UMass = $2.6M
Northern Ill = $3.1M

That's PITIFUL. Northern Illinois is particularly troubling given their football success.

Among the G5 football schools outside the Mountain West, the top supported programs are:

Marshall $7M
Old Dominion $7M
ULaLa $7M

Toledo is the top supported MAC school at $5M per year.

For reference, American schools average $9-20M per year in fan support (but SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Temple and Navy did not report).

Wichita State is thinking about starting a football program again, but are many years away from actually fielding a FBS team. Their fans throw $12M a year at the program already.

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Marshall has decent attendance at 27K per year. They are 33-8 in football the last three years. They share a history with UCF, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, ECU and Tulane.

If we lose ONE team to the Big 12, it is most likely Cincy. Marshall is in the same general vicinity as Cincy (150 miles away).

It's pretty clear to me that our goal is to be "the sixth power conference" in football. If so, Marshall is BY FAR the best choice to replace Cincy. And I imagine they have let our leaders know they want in.

From a media/bowl standpoint, Army is also a good choice but I don't see them giving up independence and they have sucked for years/don't help us competitively. Plus there are several issues with the Army-Navy game that would need to be resolved. I just can't imagine they are "waiting in the wings" to join us, so they are probably not the school to which Aresco is referring.