12 would be ideal, 14 is too many....At least for conference tournament just take the top 8 teams and call it a day...

(03-07-2016 06:17 PM)MTowho Wrote:  I think it's funny that MT and WKU were #13 and #14 (technically FAU was the same time as MT, but you know they would have been first). - imagine the dumpster fire without us.

We thank our lucky-stars every day for MTSU...wait, what?

(03-08-2016 08:11 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  14 is great if they are all performing and put a lot of people in the stands. If 5,000 actual people are at the football game and they are losers on the field then that is a major problem. 9 is the perfect number unless #10-14 bring ALOT to the table.

Thanks for the input; now back to the onion fields.

from a pragmatic viewpoint w/o reading the thread.....

10 all day long.....

I have no problem firing 4......and we all know who they are...

sorry if one doesn't like it.....I'm getting ready to vote for trump.....

I'm sick of all this bs....

(03-08-2016 08:19 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 08:11 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  14 is great if they are all performing and put a lot of people in the stands. If 5,000 actual people are at the football game and they are losers on the field then that is a major problem. 9 is the perfect number unless #10-14 bring ALOT to the table.

Thanks for the input; now back to the onion fields.

Not quite ready for harvesting.

Let's add Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Ark St, ULL, South Ala, UMass, NMSU and Wichita St.

That gives us 2 eleven school divisions. To make up for splitting money between 22 instead of 14 we can require each school to have bake sales, garage sales and regularly sell blood. Should work out fine.

(03-08-2016 08:33 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 08:19 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 08:11 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  14 is great if they are all performing and put a lot of people in the stands. If 5,000 actual people are at the football game and they are losers on the field then that is a major problem. 9 is the perfect number unless #10-14 bring ALOT to the table.

Thanks for the input; now back to the onion fields.

Not quite ready for harvesting.

(03-08-2016 08:32 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  from a pragmatic viewpoint w/o reading the thread.....
10 all day long.....
I have no problem firing 4......and we all know who they are...
sorry if one doesn't like it.....I'm getting ready to vote for trump.....
I'm sick of all this bs....

decisions already been made; everything else is just so much knashing of teeth.

Mergers of is the top performers from the SBC and CUSA will happen at some point if CUSA begins to finish poorly in the payout rankings. When that happens schools like Marshall will become frustrated and get tired of being drug down by what they perceive as dead weight. If the data shows that a merger of the top performers can challenge for the #1 payout slot then that is even bigger reason that will drive the merger of like minded high performers with solid support. The Marshall administration will say, "we can push the merger, disassociate with the low performers, change our performance payout from #5 to #1, organize more regionally and in a smaller league with fewer mouths to feed"

This will be a direct backlash to the failed market strategy. It is coming.

(03-08-2016 08:36 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Let's add Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Ark St, ULL, South Ala, UMass, NMSU and Wichita St.

That gives us 2 eleven school divisions. To make up for splitting money between 22 instead of 14 we can require each school to have bake sales, garage sales and regularly sell blood. Should work out fine.

14 is not bad. It gives a team the most balanced schedule. 3 home and 3 away divisional games and one home and one away cross divisional games. 9 Would be ideal, but then there would be no conference championship game.

The other thing to consider is to add teams and split into two conferences of nine and have a scheduling agreement that the two champions play each other in a "regional championship". I don't know, just throwing stuff against the wall.

(03-07-2016 09:06 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 07:46 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  If we lived in a perfect work, we would lose 4 teams.

10 not great for football.

And I don't like hybrid conferences.

9 isn't as good as 10 for basketball, but football is more important. So 9 or 12 is the way to go.

10 isn't great for football scheduling, but it's enough for a Championship game now, so it is better than 9.

(03-08-2016 09:12 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  14 is not bad. It gives a team the most balanced schedule. 3 home and 3 away divisional games and one home and one away cross divisional games. 9 Would be ideal, but then there would be no conference championship game.

The other thing to consider is to add teams and split into two conferences of nine and have a scheduling agreement that the two champions play each other in a "regional championship". I don't know, just throwing stuff against the wall.

Splitting into 2 ten school conferences is probably being discussed behind closed doors. The problem with that is existing tv deals, existing cfp revenue sharing, auto bids to the ncaa, etc.

Lots of difficulties to overcome.

(03-08-2016 09:42 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 09:06 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 07:46 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  If we lived in a perfect work, we would lose 4 teams.

10 not great for football.

And I don't like hybrid conferences.

9 isn't as good as 10 for basketball, but football is more important. So 9 or 12 is the way to go.

10 isn't great for football scheduling, but it's enough for a Championship game now, so it is better than 9.

That depends on how highly you value a championship game.

(03-07-2016 10:06 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Since we can't drop down I would prefer to go up to 16. We can split into eight team divisions. For football it would drastically reduce cross over games. I would suggest NMSU and UMass.

West
UTEP
NMSU
UTSA
N Texas
RICE
La Tech
USM
UAB

East
FAU
FIU
ODU
Charlotte
WK
MT
Marshall
UMass.

If UMass doesn't want to join I would probably go for Georgia St.

In a couple of years we could officially split from each other if things don't work out. While NMSU might not be an attractive candidate it is a perfect traveling partner for us. 2 for 1 deal during basketball season. It would be tough to come away from the El Paso/Las Cruces region with a victory and a sweep almost impossible.

That would be awful.

Marshall
MTSU
WKU
ODU
App St.
Georgia Southern
UAB
FAU
FIU

LaTech
USM
stAte
ULL
Rice
UTEP
UTSA
UNT
USA

*Two SEPARATE conferences that play a "Championship" between the two conference winners (don't know if NCAA rules allow for such a thing or not.)

This leaves:

GaSt
Coastal
Charlotte
(EKU)
(Liberty)

TXST
(NMSU)
(Mizzou St.)
ULM
Troy

Of course, all of this goes out the window if we are raided due to the trickle down effect from expansion.

(03-08-2016 09:03 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Mergers of is the top performers from the SBC and CUSA will happen at some point if CUSA begins to finish poorly in the payout rankings. When that happens schools like Marshall will become frustrated and get tired of being drug down by what they perceive as dead weight. If the data shows that a merger of the top performers can challenge for the #1 payout slot then that is even bigger reason that will drive the merger of like minded high performers with solid support. The Marshall administration will say, "we can push the merger, disassociate with the low performers, change our performance payout from #5 to #1, organize more regionally and in a smaller league with fewer mouths to feed"

This will be a direct backlash to the failed market strategy. It is coming.

Some schools may want to do this but how would they achieve it? You'd have to have enough schools involved in one or the other conferences to have voting control to kick out some schools and bring in others. Which based on your past posts isn't what you had in mind. Otherwise the schools would have to leave their current conference and form a new one essentially locking themselves out of the CFP contract and probably a BB autobid.

(03-08-2016 10:09 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:06 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Since we can't drop down I would prefer to go up to 16. We can split into eight team divisions. For football it would drastically reduce cross over games. I would suggest NMSU and UMass.

West
UTEP
NMSU
UTSA
N Texas
RICE
La Tech
USM
UAB

East
FAU
FIU
ODU
Charlotte
WK
MT
Marshall
UMass.

If UMass doesn't want to join I would probably go for Georgia St.

In a couple of years we could officially split from each other if things don't work out. While NMSU might not be an attractive candidate it is a perfect traveling partner for us. 2 for 1 deal during basketball season. It would be tough to come away from the El Paso/Las Cruces region with a victory and a sweep almost impossible.

That would be awful.

I know it sounds bad but in reality NMSU is not much different from some of our current members. (UTEP included) I'm starting to feel bad for our neighbors don't want them to drop to FCS level.

Yes. 14 is too many. It's absurd.

(03-08-2016 11:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 09:03 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Mergers of is the top performers from the SBC and CUSA will happen at some point if CUSA begins to finish poorly in the payout rankings. When that happens schools like Marshall will become frustrated and get tired of being drug down by what they perceive as dead weight. If the data shows that a merger of the top performers can challenge for the #1 payout slot then that is even bigger reason that will drive the merger of like minded high performers with solid support. The Marshall administration will say, "we can push the merger, disassociate with the low performers, change our performance payout from #5 to #1, organize more regionally and in a smaller league with fewer mouths to feed"

This will be a direct backlash to the failed market strategy. It is coming.

Some schools may want to do this but how would they achieve it? You'd have to have enough schools involved in one or the other conferences to have voting control to kick out some schools and bring in others. Which based on your past posts isn't what you had in mind. Otherwise the schools would have to leave their current conference and form a new one essentially locking themselves out of the CFP contract and probably a BB autobid.

Ding Ding Ding!

No school will vote themselves out of a conference. Airport meeting means a new conference and a new conference means back-filling the old conference. I do not see P5s voting for a bigger G5 or more money to the G5s.

What about the other options thrown around:
Redistribute teams between CUSA/Sun Belt? Not gonna happen, perception of demotion/promotion would be too strong to overcome.

Eastern/Western split? Louisiana teams would throw a fit if grouped together. Is South Alabama east or west? Is UAB east or west? MTSU and WKU, east or west? Marshall wants a presence in FL but Appy State wants schools that are half tank of gas away. What would a compromise look like and how long before the complaining starts up again.