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Decent article, but a couple things that irk me.

If you pressed them on how "close" Herman came to leaving for South Carolina, they would undoubtedly have to come off of that, because there is zero evidence of it being true. Also, why claim Ed Oliver is the #19 recruit in the country per Rivals, when he was #4 per ESPN? I imagine how that works is they go with the highest ranking if it's a P5, but the lowest when it's a G5. How convenient.

(03-07-2016 12:26 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Decent article, but a couple things that irk me.

If you pressed them on how "close" Herman came to leaving for South Carolina, they would undoubtedly have to come off of that, because there is zero evidence of it being true. Also, why claim Ed Oliver is the #19 recruit in the country per Rivals, when he was #4 per ESPN? I imagine how that works is they go with the highest ranking if it's a P5, but the lowest when it's a G5. How convenient.

I have no idea whether it is true or not but Dan Wolken at USA Today reported this less than a month ago in an article about Will Muschamp being hired by South Carolina:

South Carolina, in fact, first targeted Houston’s Tom Herman and was so far down the road toward an agreement, according to two people familiar with the process, that the school’s administration had essentially shut its search process down.

Those same people, who spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity, said Herman’s mind changed after South Carolina lost to The Citadel on Nov. 21 and it became clear the next coach would have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Herman decided to stay at Houston for a deal worth nearly $3 million per year and, presumably, wait for a more high-profile situation.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../80375814/

(03-07-2016 08:29 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 12:26 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Decent article, but a couple things that irk me.

If you pressed them on how "close" Herman came to leaving for South Carolina, they would undoubtedly have to come off of that, because there is zero evidence of it being true. Also, why claim Ed Oliver is the #19 recruit in the country per Rivals, when he was #4 per ESPN? I imagine how that works is they go with the highest ranking if it's a P5, but the lowest when it's a G5. How convenient.

I have no idea whether it is true or not but Dan Wolken at USA Today reported this less than a month ago in an article about Will Muschamp being hired by South Carolina:

South Carolina, in fact, first targeted Houston’s Tom Herman and was so far down the road toward an agreement, according to two people familiar with the process, that the school’s administration had essentially shut its search process down.

Those same people, who spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity, said Herman’s mind changed after South Carolina lost to The Citadel on Nov. 21 and it became clear the next coach would have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Herman decided to stay at Houston for a deal worth nearly $3 million per year and, presumably, wait for a more high-profile situation.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../80375814/

Footballscoop.com was running similar stories a couple of weeks ago.

The fact of the matter is we showed Herman the money and he decided to stay. This isn't rocket science. South Carolina is not a job worth leaving UH for for similar pay.

(03-07-2016 08:29 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 12:26 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Decent article, but a couple things that irk me.

If you pressed them on how "close" Herman came to leaving for South Carolina, they would undoubtedly have to come off of that, because there is zero evidence of it being true. Also, why claim Ed Oliver is the #19 recruit in the country per Rivals, when he was #4 per ESPN? I imagine how that works is they go with the highest ranking if it's a P5, but the lowest when it's a G5. How convenient.

I have no idea whether it is true or not but Dan Wolken at USA Today reported this less than a month ago in an article about Will Muschamp being hired by South Carolina:

South Carolina, in fact, first targeted Houston’s Tom Herman and was so far down the road toward an agreement, according to two people familiar with the process, that the school’s administration had essentially shut its search process down.

Those same people, who spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity, said Herman’s mind changed after South Carolina lost to The Citadel on Nov. 21 and it became clear the next coach would have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Herman decided to stay at Houston for a deal worth nearly $3 million per year and, presumably, wait for a more high-profile situation.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../80375814/

I'm not going to say that their sources were lying, but that doesn't really make much sense. Coaches are not afraid of rebuilding projects. South Carolina isn't Iowa State... Taking over South Carolina when they have nowhere to go but up comes with less pressure than following up a 13-1 campaign with a highly touted recruiting class.

There are probably multiple reasons Herman stayed at UH; but I don't believe that "because SC lost to the Citadel" is one.

(03-07-2016 09:59 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  The fact of the matter is we showed Herman the money and he decided to stay. This isn't rocket science. South Carolina is not a job worth leaving UH for for similar pay.

Not even remotely true. Wolken had this one right. Deal soured at last minute and he milked houston. Believe whatever makes you happy

(03-07-2016 10:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 09:59 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  The fact of the matter is we showed Herman the money and he decided to stay. This isn't rocket science. South Carolina is not a job worth leaving UH for for similar pay.

Not even remotely true. Wolken had this one right. Deal soured at last minute and he milked houston. Believe whatever makes you happy

Clueless as usual. Herman, after consultations with his wife, decided to stay in Houston before Houston even offered the contract increase. He knew he was set up to do well next year and was in a position where he could be successful. He has repeatedly indicated that he can successfully recruit here without all the travel he had to do at Ohio State----that translates into a decent family life for an FBS coach. That's a rare thing.

On the other hand, the expectation of a good 2016 is not the case in S Carolina, where the most successful coach they have had in years never even won his division, much less the conference. Going to S Carolina actually slows his track to a top P5 job. He will eventually leave UH, but when he does it will be for an elite P5 position. He will not leave for some random mid-tier P5 also ran.

I think it was a no-brainer for Herman to stay another year. If he left after last year, he wouldn't be in the running for a top program. After all, he only had one year as HC. If he has another incredible year at Houston again this year, much higher profile programs will be looking at him as a candidate.

(03-07-2016 10:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 09:59 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  The fact of the matter is we showed Herman the money and he decided to stay. This isn't rocket science. South Carolina is not a job worth leaving UH for for similar pay.

Not even remotely true. Wolken had this one right. Deal soured at last minute and he milked houston. Believe whatever makes you happy

Clueless as usual. Herman, after consultations with his wife, decided to stay in Houston before Houston even offered the contract increase. He knew he was set up to do well next year and was in a position where he could be successful. He can successfully recruit here without all the travel coaches typically have to do--that means a decent family life for an FBS coach.

The expectation of a good 2016 is not the case in S Carolina, where the most successful coach they have had in years never even won his division, much less the conference.

There you go again. South Carolina won the SEC East in 2010. You are just wrong. Hemam was gone until they put him on hold. He decided it was easier to milk houston for another year.

Football ever?

(03-07-2016 10:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 09:59 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  The fact of the matter is we showed Herman the money and he decided to stay. This isn't rocket science. South Carolina is not a job worth leaving UH for for similar pay.

Not even remotely true. Wolken had this one right. Deal soured at last minute and he milked houston. Believe whatever makes you happy

The only school to be milked as you call it was clearly Memphis. VaTech probably knew they could get a steal at 1.5m. He was out the door at that point until Memphis thought $3m was not going to be matched. Fuente said just give me the same and I'm out.

On the other hand you have a different type of milking going on with Pastner. Pastner is not producing any milk.

(03-07-2016 11:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 10:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 09:59 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  The fact of the matter is we showed Herman the money and he decided to stay. This isn't rocket science. South Carolina is not a job worth leaving UH for for similar pay.

Not even remotely true. Wolken had this one right. Deal soured at last minute and he milked houston. Believe whatever makes you happy

Clueless as usual. Herman, after consultations with his wife, decided to stay in Houston before Houston even offered the contract increase. He knew he was set up to do well next year and was in a position where he could be successful. He can successfully recruit here without all the travel coaches typically have to do--that means a decent family life for an FBS coach.

The expectation of a good 2016 is not the case in S Carolina, where the most successful coach they have had in years never even won his division, much less the conference.

There you go again. South Carolina won the SEC East in 2010. You are just wrong. Hemam was gone until they put him on hold. He decided it was easier to milk houston for another year.

Football ever?

Herman has said several times in interviews (google them on youtube, I'm too lazy to do anyone else's homework), that he decided with his wife, to stay at UH.. BEFORE the 3M/year offer was made.

Dispute this all you want, but these are HIS words. You're calling Herman a liar at this point, not UH fans that are simply going off those words.

He was gone. Believe what want. Your best team in a hundred years beat us by a missed field goal and lost to Connecticut. Give him a lifetime contract and 100 mil for all i care. If south carolina had wanted the little nutjob they woulda had him.

(03-07-2016 11:27 AM)shere khan Wrote:  He was gone. Believe what want. Your best team in a hundred years beat us by a missed field goal and lost to Connecticut. Give him a lifetime contract and 100 mil for all i care. If south carolina had wanted the little nutjob they woulda had him.

Wrong again. Not even close to our best team. Both games were won and lost with 3rd string starters (RB, QB, OL). That's what made Memphis so sweet. We tossed in a 3rd string Qb that had played the first few games at Wr.

(03-07-2016 11:27 AM)shere khan Wrote:  He was gone. Believe what want. Your best team in a hundred years beat us by a missed field goal and lost to Connecticut. Give him a lifetime contract and 100 mil for all i care. If south carolina had wanted the little nutjob they woulda had him.

South Carolina DID want him. Very badly. So you're seriously suggesting it was SC that changed their mind an not the other way around?

As for milking the UH, that statement greatly implies that he's not worth the 3M/year and not producing any results for it. By any measure, Herman deserves not just the milk, but the cream as well.

I have no problem with Herman checking out the coaching landscape, but it should be obvious he chose to stay at UH for a reason. He's got it good here! HE is setting the expectations for this program, not the other way around like it will be at any name school. Will others come knocking trying to woo him away if he keeps winning? Absolutely. But I'm confident the UH will step up and make it a very tough decision for him.

Houston has been a stepping stone to the P5. That may continue. UT recently considered hiring Saban and Briles.

But, Briles left UH a better program than he found. Then, Sumlin left the UH program still better.

If Briles left, he would leave the Baylor program better than when he arrived.

If Saban left, he would leave the Alabama program better than when he arrived.

If Herman leaves UH, he will leave the program better than when he arrived. UH would be flooded with applications from excellent coaches.

When a program has great facilities, excellent support, and arguably the best recruiting area in the country, a good coach can win. This applies to several AAC schools.