(03-03-2016 09:35 PM)RiverCityTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:00 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  With all the talk about people who supposedly love Josh more than the program, it sounds to me like there is also a big group who hate josh more than they love the program.

That's the explanation I see for "I won't watch or come to another Tiger game so long as he's the coach".

Putting the coach above the program cuts both ways, folks.

Wtf are you talking about? Are you happy with the state of the program?

Nope, definitely not. Also, not what I'm talking about at all. I do not say Josh is great and should stay. I just think that refusing to support the university because of the coach sounds just as "coach-obsessed" as the ones wanting pastner to stay because they like him. IF it's all about the program, and nobody is bigger than the program, then support the program. Bleeding it dry to prove a point? That's a shoddy form of support, imo.

(03-03-2016 09:18 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:17 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:15 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:00 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  With all the talk about people who supposedly love Josh more than the program, it sounds to me like there is also a big group who hate josh more than they love the program.

That's the explanation I see for "I won't watch or come to another Tiger game so long as he's the coach".

Putting the coach above the program cuts both ways, folks.

No it doesn't. The fans have to apply pressure the only way they can to ensure that a change is made sooner rather than later.

And the best way is to take revenue away from the program? There's no way to communicate to the AD or administration with like...words or protests?

You want Pastner gone after the next game? Fill the FEF with a few thousand people who at Pastner's introduction all stand up and silently turn their backs to the court and remain that way until the first media timeout. That'd get national coverage and force the admin hands. Instead, you're taking away the one thing the university ACTUALLY needs to replace him: cash.

Hey genius the "university" only pays him about 100K a year

Wake up

They don't get it and they never will.

yea....they will.




Here's a link to the highest paid employees at University of Memphis written Oct 13th 2015:

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/...op-20.html

Bowen is the top paid employee. Pastner is 45th, but here's an interesting tidbit from the article:

"In 2013, Pastner signed a contract extension worth a reported $2.65 million per year...

Of Pastner's total pay, $1.1 million comes from radio and television appearances and another $1.1 million reportedly comes for "public relations." Pastner also has a $260,000 apparel contract. Given all that, Pastner's salary doesn't qualify him for the top 20 highest-paid University of Memphis employees, because his officially recorded U of M salary is $192,850. That puts Pastner at No. 45 school-wide."

Right now I hate the coach because I love the program. Does that answer the OPs stupid question ?

It doesn't seem as much like hate. More like borderline horror expressed as hate...lol
If this dysfunctional stuff is allowed to keep mounting up, somebody might lose it. The ones who support him really oughtta attend all the practices and mindfulness sessions. On second thought, maybe they do.

Anyway, the situation has a bit of a powder keg smell to it--just saying..
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(03-04-2016 12:37 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Right now I hate the coach because I love the program. Does that answer the OPs stupid question ?

lol. In a way it does.

(03-04-2016 12:37 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Right now I hate the coach because I love the program.

That's the deal right there. That's the catch all statement that should apply.

I don't think anyone actually HATES Paz personally. HATE what he's done to the program? Sure.

(03-04-2016 12:17 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:35 PM)RiverCityTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:00 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  With all the talk about people who supposedly love Josh more than the program, it sounds to me like there is also a big group who hate josh more than they love the program.

That's the explanation I see for "I won't watch or come to another Tiger game so long as he's the coach".

Putting the coach above the program cuts both ways, folks.

Wtf are you talking about? Are you happy with the state of the program?

Nope, definitely not. Also, not what I'm talking about at all. I do not say Josh is great and should stay. I just think that refusing to support the university because of the coach sounds just as "coach-obsessed" as the ones wanting pastner to stay because they like him. IF it's all about the program, and nobody is bigger than the program, then support the program. Bleeding it dry to prove a point? That's a shoddy form of support, imo.

Yeah, but a lot of the people walking away now are ones that have been supporting the program for decades.

(03-03-2016 09:00 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  With all the talk about people who supposedly love Josh more than the program, it sounds to me like there is also a big group who hate josh more than they love the program.

That's the explanation I see for "I won't watch or come to another Tiger game so long as he's the coach".

Putting the coach above the program cuts both ways, folks.

That's a really good point. I will never, ever understand those fans who plan to boycott the basketball team, and even more inexplicably, the entire athletics program, because of their hatred of Josh. It is certainly everyone's right to do so, but man, as a lover of Tigers basketball, I still get excited for every game. I could never wish a loss on the team under any circumstances. For those who think that way, do you really hope Avery Woodson's three is an air ball? Do you want Shaq to foul out? Seriously. I'm curious. How do you wish a loss on the team?

And before anyone calls me a "sunshine pumper," or whatever else, I am not. I get every bit as frustrated as others who scratch their head at substitutions, game strategy, whatever. I have been on "record" as saying that a change is probably best for both parties; BUT, if a change is not made, I am still going to be front and center pulling for the Tigers to win every game.

As a fan, I don't know any other way.

(03-03-2016 09:31 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:25 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:22 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:19 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:18 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  They don't get it and they never will.

They probably think the players are majoring in pre law

It's gameday and I'm wearing a Memphis Tigers sweatshirt, not a Josh Pastner one, but go ahead and assume whatever you want, we all know about assumptions.

You think you are the only one? I've been to every home game this year except one, spend 20K plus on donations and seats and about half that in the bar before during and sometimes after the games. I think I've earned the right to hate whatever. If you don't like that you can kiss my blue and gray ass

Well, If you're going to the games, he's not referring to you. Right?

Careful... He's the sensitive genius.

sigh...they aren't boycotting the program out of hate. They see disaster ahead and are trying to avert it in their own way. They are showing the administration how much BB actually means to them. I don't think the admin knew.

(03-03-2016 09:17 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:15 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:00 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  With all the talk about people who supposedly love Josh more than the program, it sounds to me like there is also a big group who hate josh more than they love the program.

That's the explanation I see for "I won't watch or come to another Tiger game so long as he's the coach".

Putting the coach above the program cuts both ways, folks.

No it doesn't. The fans have to apply pressure the only way they can to ensure that a change is made sooner rather than later.

And the best way is to take revenue away from the program? There's no way to communicate to the AD or administration with like...words or protests?

You want Pastner gone after the next game? Fill the FEF with a few thousand people who at Pastner's introduction all stand up and silently turn their backs to the court and remain that way until the first media timeout. That'd get national coverage and force the admin hands. Instead, you're taking away the one thing the university ACTUALLY needs to replace him: cash.

Hey genius the "university" only pays him about 100K a year

Wake up

You are so ignorant of how the finances are actually handled by the University and naive enough to believe that every penny of seat donation revenue "pays for scholarships". you need a reality check.

The Lower level and club season ticket holders/donors are footing the bill no matter how the funds are shuffled around by the University's accounting dept. When pretty much sold out as it was up until 2014, that amount was over $25M. When that number drops to $10-$15M (optimistic) next year, let see what the University does. Do you think they will cut scholarships?

(03-04-2016 08:31 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:17 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:15 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:00 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  With all the talk about people who supposedly love Josh more than the program, it sounds to me like there is also a big group who hate josh more than they love the program.

That's the explanation I see for "I won't watch or come to another Tiger game so long as he's the coach".

Putting the coach above the program cuts both ways, folks.

No it doesn't. The fans have to apply pressure the only way they can to ensure that a change is made sooner rather than later.

And the best way is to take revenue away from the program? There's no way to communicate to the AD or administration with like...words or protests?

You want Pastner gone after the next game? Fill the FEF with a few thousand people who at Pastner's introduction all stand up and silently turn their backs to the court and remain that way until the first media timeout. That'd get national coverage and force the admin hands. Instead, you're taking away the one thing the university ACTUALLY needs to replace him: cash.

Hey genius the "university" only pays him about 100K a year

Wake up

You are so ignorant of how the finances are actually handled by the University and naive enough to believe that every penny of seat donation revenue "pays for scholarships". you need a reality check.

The Lower level and club season ticket holders/donors are footing the bill no matter how the funds are shuffled around by the University's accounting dept. When pretty much sold out as it was up until 2014, that amount was over $25M. When that number drops to $10-$15M (optimistic) next year, let see what the University does. Do you think they will cut scholarships?

"The mission of the Athletic Development Office is to generate funding for Student-Athlete scholarships, facility improvements, endowed scholarships, and general support for the University of Memphis Athletics Department. This will be accomplished through the offices of Major Gifts, Tiger Scholarship Fund, and M Club by developing and cultivating relationships, which encourage private giving by individuals and businesses that share our values, commitment, passion and vision for Tiger Athletics."

That mission statement leaves quite a gray area to say who is funding what, but it also leaves plenty of room to suggest that big donors are footing the majority of the coach's payout.

(03-04-2016 08:57 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:31 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:17 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:15 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  No it doesn't. The fans have to apply pressure the only way they can to ensure that a change is made sooner rather than later.

And the best way is to take revenue away from the program? There's no way to communicate to the AD or administration with like...words or protests?

You want Pastner gone after the next game? Fill the FEF with a few thousand people who at Pastner's introduction all stand up and silently turn their backs to the court and remain that way until the first media timeout. That'd get national coverage and force the admin hands. Instead, you're taking away the one thing the university ACTUALLY needs to replace him: cash.

Hey genius the "university" only pays him about 100K a year

Wake up

You are so ignorant of how the finances are actually handled by the University and naive enough to believe that every penny of seat donation revenue "pays for scholarships". you need a reality check.

The Lower level and club season ticket holders/donors are footing the bill no matter how the funds are shuffled around by the University's accounting dept. When pretty much sold out as it was up until 2014, that amount was over $25M. When that number drops to $10-$15M (optimistic) next year, let see what the University does. Do you think they will cut scholarships?

"The mission of the Athletic Development Office is to generate funding for Student-Athlete scholarships, facility improvements, endowed scholarships, and general support for the University of Memphis Athletics Department. This will be accomplished through the offices of Major Gifts, Tiger Scholarship Fund, and M Club by developing and cultivating relationships, which encourage private giving by individuals and businesses that share our values, commitment, passion and vision for Tiger Athletics."

That mission statement leaves quite a gray area to say who is funding what, but it also leaves plenty of room to suggest that big donors are footing the majority of the coach's payout.

Where do you think the approx $250M generated in the last 10 years from season tickets sales/donations in LL/club has gone? This money was paid out the pockets of hard working Memphis fans. Probably successful but most not millionaires. This makes the Ambassador's contributions pale in comparison.

(03-04-2016 10:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:57 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:31 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:17 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:15 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  And the best way is to take revenue away from the program? There's no way to communicate to the AD or administration with like...words or protests?

You want Pastner gone after the next game? Fill the FEF with a few thousand people who at Pastner's introduction all stand up and silently turn their backs to the court and remain that way until the first media timeout. That'd get national coverage and force the admin hands. Instead, you're taking away the one thing the university ACTUALLY needs to replace him: cash.

Hey genius the "university" only pays him about 100K a year

Wake up

You are so ignorant of how the finances are actually handled by the University and naive enough to believe that every penny of seat donation revenue "pays for scholarships". you need a reality check.

The Lower level and club season ticket holders/donors are footing the bill no matter how the funds are shuffled around by the University's accounting dept. When pretty much sold out as it was up until 2014, that amount was over $25M. When that number drops to $10-$15M (optimistic) next year, let see what the University does. Do you think they will cut scholarships?

"The mission of the Athletic Development Office is to generate funding for Student-Athlete scholarships, facility improvements, endowed scholarships, and general support for the University of Memphis Athletics Department. This will be accomplished through the offices of Major Gifts, Tiger Scholarship Fund, and M Club by developing and cultivating relationships, which encourage private giving by individuals and businesses that share our values, commitment, passion and vision for Tiger Athletics."

That mission statement leaves quite a gray area to say who is funding what, but it also leaves plenty of room to suggest that big donors are footing the majority of the coach's payout.

Where do you think the approx $250M generated in the last 10 years from season tickets sales/donations in LL/club has gone? This money was paid out the pockets of hard working Memphis fans. Probably successful but most not millionaires. This makes the Ambassador's contributions pale in comparison.

Do you have any evidence that TSF donations, which are among the solicited designation and governed by state law and IRS regulations, were diverted to pay Pastner like the poster to whom I was responding implied?

(03-04-2016 10:40 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 10:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:57 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:31 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:17 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Hey genius the "university" only pays him about 100K a year

Wake up

You are so ignorant of how the finances are actually handled by the University and naive enough to believe that every penny of seat donation revenue "pays for scholarships". you need a reality check.

The Lower level and club season ticket holders/donors are footing the bill no matter how the funds are shuffled around by the University's accounting dept. When pretty much sold out as it was up until 2014, that amount was over $25M. When that number drops to $10-$15M (optimistic) next year, let see what the University does. Do you think they will cut scholarships?

"The mission of the Athletic Development Office is to generate funding for Student-Athlete scholarships, facility improvements, endowed scholarships, and general support for the University of Memphis Athletics Department. This will be accomplished through the offices of Major Gifts, Tiger Scholarship Fund, and M Club by developing and cultivating relationships, which encourage private giving by individuals and businesses that share our values, commitment, passion and vision for Tiger Athletics."

That mission statement leaves quite a gray area to say who is funding what, but it also leaves plenty of room to suggest that big donors are footing the majority of the coach's payout.

Where do you think the approx $250M generated in the last 10 years from season tickets sales/donations in LL/club has gone? This money was paid out the pockets of hard working Memphis fans. Probably successful but most not millionaires. This makes the Ambassador's contributions pale in comparison.

Do you have any evidence that TSF donations, which are among the solicited designation and governed by state law and IRS regulations, were diverted to pay Pastner like the poster to whom I was responding implied?

Obviously not and I didn't explicitly imply that. It would take a forsenic CPA months to prove something like that, even if true. The University is NOT transparent in their public financial statements on this.

My point is loyal Tigers fans have paid staggering amounts of money to sell out the non upper level of the Forum since Cal turned things around; the University has had multiple reseatings to further increase revenue. This money is one form or the other has made BB very profitable and revenue is 4-5 times expenses. So why do coaches salaries need to be paid by boosters? To comply with some illogical state law I think.
So instead of applying big boosters contributions to another area or project it is applied to coaches salaries and the excess revenue is applied to other areas. Just a shell game. Accounting savvy folks will get this.

(03-04-2016 11:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 10:40 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 10:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:57 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:31 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  You are so ignorant of how the finances are actually handled by the University and naive enough to believe that every penny of seat donation revenue "pays for scholarships". you need a reality check.

The Lower level and club season ticket holders/donors are footing the bill no matter how the funds are shuffled around by the University's accounting dept. When pretty much sold out as it was up until 2014, that amount was over $25M. When that number drops to $10-$15M (optimistic) next year, let see what the University does. Do you think they will cut scholarships?

"The mission of the Athletic Development Office is to generate funding for Student-Athlete scholarships, facility improvements, endowed scholarships, and general support for the University of Memphis Athletics Department. This will be accomplished through the offices of Major Gifts, Tiger Scholarship Fund, and M Club by developing and cultivating relationships, which encourage private giving by individuals and businesses that share our values, commitment, passion and vision for Tiger Athletics."

That mission statement leaves quite a gray area to say who is funding what, but it also leaves plenty of room to suggest that big donors are footing the majority of the coach's payout.

Where do you think the approx $250M generated in the last 10 years from season tickets sales/donations in LL/club has gone? This money was paid out the pockets of hard working Memphis fans. Probably successful but most not millionaires. This makes the Ambassador's contributions pale in comparison.

Do you have any evidence that TSF donations, which are among the solicited designation and governed by state law and IRS regulations, were diverted to pay Pastner like the poster to whom I was responding implied?

Obviously not and I didn't explicitly imply that. It would take a forsenic CPA months to prove something like that, even if true. The University is NOT transparent in their public financial statements on this.

My point is loyal Tigers fans have paid staggering amounts of money to sell out the non upper level of the Forum since Cal turned things around; the University has had multiple reseatings to further increase revenue. This money is one form or the other has made BB very profitable and revenue is 4-5 times expenses. So why do coaches salaries need to be paid by boosters? To comply with some illogical state law I think.
So instead of applying big boosters contributions to another area or project it is applied to coaches salaries and the excess revenue is applied to other areas. Just a shell game. Accounting savvy folks will get this.

Then you've wandered into the wrong discussion.

(03-04-2016 11:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 11:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 10:40 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 10:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:57 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  "The mission of the Athletic Development Office is to generate funding for Student-Athlete scholarships, facility improvements, endowed scholarships, and general support for the University of Memphis Athletics Department. This will be accomplished through the offices of Major Gifts, Tiger Scholarship Fund, and M Club by developing and cultivating relationships, which encourage private giving by individuals and businesses that share our values, commitment, passion and vision for Tiger Athletics."

That mission statement leaves quite a gray area to say who is funding what, but it also leaves plenty of room to suggest that big donors are footing the majority of the coach's payout.

Where do you think the approx $250M generated in the last 10 years from season tickets sales/donations in LL/club has gone? This money was paid out the pockets of hard working Memphis fans. Probably successful but most not millionaires. This makes the Ambassador's contributions pale in comparison.

Do you have any evidence that TSF donations, which are among the solicited designation and governed by state law and IRS regulations, were diverted to pay Pastner like the poster to whom I was responding implied?

Obviously not and I didn't explicitly imply that. It would take a forsenic CPA months to prove something like that, even if true. The University is NOT transparent in their public financial statements on this.

My point is loyal Tigers fans have paid staggering amounts of money to sell out the non upper level of the Forum since Cal turned things around; the University has had multiple reseatings to further increase revenue. This money is one form or the other has made BB very profitable and revenue is 4-5 times expenses. So why do coaches salaries need to be paid by boosters? To comply with some illogical state law I think.
So instead of applying big boosters contributions to another area or project it is applied to coaches salaries and the excess revenue is applied to other areas. Just a shell game. Accounting savvy folks will get this.

Then you've wandered into the wrong discussion.

As virtually every thread, this one ran off the rails aways back. Just addressing current posts.

(03-03-2016 09:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:00 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  With all the talk about people who supposedly love Josh more than the program, it sounds to me like there is also a big group who hate josh more than they love the program.

That's the explanation I see for "I won't watch or come to another Tiger game so long as he's the coach".

Putting the coach above the program cuts both ways, folks.

No it doesn't. The fans have to apply pressure the only way they can to ensure that a change is made sooner rather than later.

Wins and lost will get him fired. Not coaching or fans.

(03-05-2016 12:06 AM)Smith Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 09:00 PM)hollywoodTiger Wrote:  With all the talk about people who supposedly love Josh more than the program, it sounds to me like there is also a big group who hate josh more than they love the program.

That's the explanation I see for "I won't watch or come to another Tiger game so long as he's the coach".

Putting the coach above the program cuts both ways, folks.

No it doesn't. The fans have to apply pressure the only way they can to ensure that a change is made sooner rather than later.

Wins and lost will get him fired. Not coaching or fans.

Well our record the past two seasons is not acceptable and it appears he is coming back for another season. Probably a losing season with our best players leaving; depending on Lawsons.