(02-23-2016 01:02 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 12:02 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 11:03 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I'm for Huntington... ALL will be welcome...we have the CHC and Big Sandy Arena (5000ish)... Plenty of hotels and great food downtown! Great hospitality as well! Ball is in your court Steve Williams and Hamrick! Just sayin'

I would be against that as a geographical outlier. The same as I was for UTEP hosting it on the border of the conference. We don't have the hospitality infrastructure for that, hotels etc. There is fuckall to do here outside the tournament. Airport is terrible for West teams' fans to get here. Just a really bad idea. It worked for MAC football because all teams could drive here and we were the only ones with any attendance to speak of at the time and it was only one other team we were hosting for one game. But it would not work for CUSA basketball. Too many teams too far away for too many days.

With ODU, WKU, Charlotte and MTSU now in the league, we are no longer a geographical outlier.

If you can get to Charlotte, you can get to Huntington via air travel.

We have something like, 8-10 hotels that could host multiple teams and fans, that are all business-class. Three Hampton Inn's within 25 miles, for example. Quite a few more that are similar to them. That doesn't even include Ashland, Ky., and before you mention distance, the team hotel in Tulsa was further from the arena than Ashland (or Teays Valley) is to Huntington. My point is, there are more than you'd think. You just have to be a little creative.

There is as much to do in Huntington as there is anywhere else for a week where basketball is the focus.

You're kidding yourself if you think more than 50 people travel with most league teams to the conference tournament. This area handles a state wrestling tournament that would draw similar numbers over a 3-day period. We also host a Region I soccer tournament that brings 10,000 plus people in each summer. We can handle the conference tournaments.

We are a geographical outlier. We are on the edge of the conference. Those teams you mention are a minimum of 4.5 hours away and most are more than 6. ODU is also an outlier being that far east, as are the Florida teams except that there are two of them. Distance from the center makes you an outlier not distance to the next closest team. WKUYG has the right idea with Biloxi. I'm gonna go throw up now.

There is not much to do here at all for a Thursday night when the tournament is done for the day. I guess there's Hillbilly hotdogs to further our wonderful stereotype, the Pullman strip mall of hair and nail salons, and of course the Huntington Museum of no famous artists art.

I would not agree that having it here is a good idea as I said. A city that's an attraction on it's own in the central conference footprint is a much better place to have it.

BILOXI?!?!?!?!? No thanks.

(02-22-2016 10:22 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 12:00 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 11:41 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Trey Freeman is extremely talented. Brandan Stith is very good and is likely to get better over the next couple of seasons. The list of ODU players that have earned the title of "really talented" for this season probably ends there.

You have more than just Freeman and Stith. Bacote, Talley and Taylor could be really good if they weren't micromanaged on every play. Bacote especially.

You are correct sir

You guys have to be kidding! You are throwing the "REALLY TALENTED" title on Baycote, Talley, and Taylor based upon your observations of this season for Talley and multiple seasons for the other two?

Talley is athletically gifted but I am not ready to crown him as "REALLY TALENTED" as a basketball player yet. He has to earn it by routinely displaying it in several games instead of just once in a while. I do expect that he will get there next season, but he isn't there yet. Defensively he still has a way to go and offensively he rushes his shot a bit too often. Again, he is a freshman and I expect those areas to improve (with Jones still as his coach) next season.

Baycote COULD be 'really good" but his inconsistency is off the charts. He will follow up a rare game where he scores 20-30 with a string of them where he will score 5-12 while shooting anywhere from about 15%-33% from the floor to do so. That is precisely why his average is closer to 10 per game than it is to 20. For all of your attempts to place full blame for his less than stellar play, the coach isn't making him miss his open shots. He is playing under the same system and coaches that Freeman and Stith are and they don't seem to be having any issues. It is convenient to throw statements out there as factual without any way of proving it to actually be factual.

Taylor is both a "really good" and "extremely talented" player at ODU, but unfortunately he is only that on the defensive end of the floor. He is good at getting offensive rebounds, but then again the way this team shoots there are lots of them to be had. Also, it isn't like he has a 6'-10" or 7'-0" center on the team to contend with for the rebounds. How exactly is coach Jones keeping Taylor from being an overall "really good" player since you are making that claim?

(02-22-2016 04:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  The tourney will be in Biloxi where there's actually something to do if you only there to support your school. If a family (and that's what CUSA needs) is going to take vacation time for a basketball tourney it needs to be in city with good weather (warm) have a ocean/beach (even if they are some of the worse on the gulf) fishing, golf, casinos, shows and if it's nightlife you are after a short jump over to New Orleans.

Till we can get the families 500 to 1000 will be the average unless the home team is playing

I would agree with you that Biloxi would be a nice place to hold the basketball tournament. Not sure of the condition of the Coliseum for holding the event or how the parking is there since I have never been inside. I have vacationed in the area for several years and have always had a good time.

I went to the Metro tournament in Biloxi in 1994. Unless the Mississippi Coast Coliseum has had decent renovations since, I don't remember being super-impressed with it, though casino access is always a plus. But then the game I saw (VCU-Va. Tech, first round, early afternoon) had like 1,500 people in attendance, so I wasn't quite getting the good china.

(02-23-2016 05:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  You guys have to be kidding! You are throwing the "REALLY TALENTED" title on Baycote, Talley, and Taylor

If Jones wasn't so anal about coaching every pass and every play all three would be better and Im pretty sure that Bacote could be a really good to great player if he weren't so micromanaged. ODU players don't play in a free flowing program, if they did you would be a lot better than the product you put on the floor.

Jones had the same problem at UVA and American.

(02-23-2016 10:24 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 05:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  You guys have to be kidding! You are throwing the "REALLY TALENTED" title on Baycote, Talley, and Taylor

If Jones wasn't so anal about coaching every pass and every play all three would be better and Im pretty sure that Bacote could be a really good to great player if he weren't so micromanaged. ODU players don't play in a free flowing program, if they did you would be a lot better than the product you put on the floor.

Jones had the same problem at UVA and American.

I don't argue the fact that there are things that Jones could do better or differently. He is stuck in playing his system. I suppose that is what he feels comfortable with. Personally I too wish the players played with more confidence, but it isn't like he is removing them if they miss a shot. Now if they miss a defensive assignment, or make some half hearted pass that goes for a turnover they might be temporarily substituted for. I also wish that he would switch up his defenses sometimes instead of playing 99.9% man-to-man. Lastly, I wish that he would not chastise his players when he removes them from the game following a mess up, but then again he did that last year too to the tune of 28 wins with 2 of the same players that you singled out. That said ...

Talley is a freshman that is still learning the college game. Improvement will come but he isn't really talented at this point. Long and athletic yes. A really talented player (at this point, no). To put that on Jones is not really fair to him.

Baycote is too inconsistent with his scoring and I don't believe that it has very much to do with Jones. I have never witnessed Jones fussing at him for any of his (numerous) missed shots. In my opinion he gets down on himself if he misses his first shot or two and it carries through with him the rest of the game. I can pretty much tell by his second shot if he is going to have a decent to good game or a subpar one.

Taylor - good defender and rebounder, poor shooter. He took zero shots in the last game against Marshall. He knows he is a poor shooter. Can't credit a player as being really talented when they only excel at one end of the court. Jones does not tell him not to shoot, nor does he fuss at him for missing when he does shoot and miss.

I've been following ODU basketball for over 50 years and have attended every home game this season so I have not missed too many of the details.

(02-24-2016 07:43 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 10:24 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 05:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  You guys have to be kidding! You are throwing the "REALLY TALENTED" title on Baycote, Talley, and Taylor

If Jones wasn't so anal about coaching every pass and every play all three would be better and Im pretty sure that Bacote could be a really good to great player if he weren't so micromanaged. ODU players don't play in a free flowing program, if they did you would be a lot better than the product you put on the floor.

Jones had the same problem at UVA and American.

I don't argue the fact that there are things that Jones could do better or differently. He is stuck in playing his system. I suppose that is what he feels comfortable with. Personally I too wish the players played with more confidence, but it isn't like he is removing them if they miss a shot. Now if they miss a defensive assignment, or make some half hearted pass that goes for a turnover they might be temporarily substituted for. I also wish that he would switch up his defenses sometimes instead of playing 99.9% man-to-man. Lastly, I wish that he would not chastise his players when he removes them from the game following a mess up, but then again he did that last year too to the tune of 28 wins with 2 of the same players that you singled out. That said ...

Talley is a freshman that is still learning the college game. Improvement will come but he isn't really talented at this point. Long and athletic yes. A really talented player (at this point, no). To put that on Jones is not really fair to him.

Baycote is too inconsistent with his scoring and I don't believe that it has very much to do with Jones. I have never witnessed Jones fussing at him for any of his (numerous) missed shots. In my opinion he gets down on himself if he misses his first shot or two and it carries through with him the rest of the game. I can pretty much tell by his second shot if he is going to have a decent to good game or a subpar one.

Taylor - good defender and rebounder, poor shooter. He took zero shots in the last game against Marshall. He knows he is a poor shooter. Can't credit a player as being really talented when they only excel at one end of the court. Jones does not tell him not to shoot, nor does he fuss at him for missing when he does shoot and miss.

I've been following ODU basketball for over 50 years and have attended every home game this season so I have not missed too many of the details.

Aside from the spelling of his name. It's Bacote.

The only quibble I have with your assessment is the notion of AB getting down on himself. That may be the case, but for whatever reason it hasn't impacted upon his foul shooting. He's money from the line, even in games when he's hitting nothing from the field.

I just don't get it.

(02-23-2016 10:24 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 05:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  You guys have to be kidding! You are throwing the "REALLY TALENTED" title on Baycote, Talley, and Taylor

If Jones wasn't so anal about coaching every pass and every play all three would be better and Im pretty sure that Bacote could be a really good to great player if he weren't so micromanaged. ODU players don't play in a free flowing program, if they did you would be a lot better than the product you put on the floor.

Jones had the same problem at UVA and American.

There's a difference between having a free-flowing offense and a run-and-gun NBA style offense. ODU runs more set plays than UM, which worked for us last season (27 wins). Just because we have some structure doesn't make Jones as "micromanaging" as you'd suggest.

What we need is a better rhythm, and shooters that can actually make shots.

(02-25-2016 08:51 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  There's a difference between having a free-flowing offense and a run-and-gun NBA style offense. ODU runs more set plays than UM, which worked for us last season (27 wins). Just because we have some structure doesn't make Jones as "micromanaging" as you'd suggest.

What we need is a better rhythm, and shooters that can actually make shots.

Ive watched more than the Marshall games from ODU. Jones coaches every pass. He is an anal control freak. Afraid of letting his players actually roam free.

You talk about running set plays, that's what got you 65 points against Marshall. Actually the lowest point total against the Herd this year. Since you run set plays our players knew were the ball was going, where it was going to end up and were it was going to be shot from.

And what Dan runs is the same thing he run for 30 years at Socastee HS in NC. Its also the same thing Lewis D'Antoni ran at Mullins HS for years. Just because Mike run it at PHX and every NBA coach decided they liked it doesn't mean that's where it come from.