Sporting News reported on Wednesday February 17 that the "Big 12 targets summer to decide on expansion".

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Quote:1) Big 12 presidents agree that they need to decide, maybe as soon as this summer, on expansion, a football championship game and implementation of a conference TV network, University of Oklahoma president David Boren told The Oklahoman on Tuesday.

2)Cincinnati reportedly has been campaigning for expansion inclusion, and The Oklahoman identifies other "prime candidates" as BYU, Connecticut, Central Florida and Boise State.

3) If the Big 12 decides to expand east, as it did with West Virginia (paired with TCU), then Cincinnati appears to be in good shape. If the conference decides to add BYU, which, according to The Oklahoman, appears to be the strongest candidate, geography notwithstanding, then Cincinnati could be competing against UConn for the other spot.

4) Or if the Big 12 decides to add the two best football schools, then it could sweep west for BYU and Boise State.

5) “It's a good time to act," Boren said. "Let's don't wait until we have a crisis or we're about to lose a member or two. We're stable right now, we like each other. Most people in the Big 12 want to stay in the Big 12. It's the right time to make progress.”

There is not a lot of new ideas here, but it adds more credibility to the existing speculation.

BSU? I understand from a pure football perspective but not with other factors that are included.
Don't get me wrong if BSU is a true serious candidate then I would love for BSU to be in the Big 12.

BYU + UConn I feel add some value for the B12.

One a strong football add over a 30 year time frame.

The other a strong basketball add over a 30 year time frame.

Still I would be surprised if it happens, too many moving parts will have to align for the B12.

(02-18-2016 04:46 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Sporting News reported on Wednesday February 17 that the "Big 12 targets summer to decide on expansion".

Spoting News Link

Here are some highlights:

Quote:1) Big 12 presidents agree that they need to decide, maybe as soon as this summer, on expansion, a football championship game and implementation of a conference TV network, University of Oklahoma president David Boren told The Oklahoman on Tuesday.

2)Cincinnati reportedly has been campaigning for expansion inclusion, and The Oklahoman identifies other "prime candidates" as BYU, Connecticut, Central Florida and Boise State.

3) If the Big 12 decides to expand east, as it did with West Virginia (paired with TCU), then Cincinnati appears to be in good shape. If the conference decides to add BYU, which, according to The Oklahoman, appears to be the strongest candidate, geography notwithstanding, then Cincinnati could be competing against UConn for the other spot.

4) Or if the Big 12 decides to add the two best football schools, then it could sweep west for BYU and Boise State.

5) “It's a good time to act," Boren said. "Let's don't wait until we have a crisis or we're about to lose a member or two. We're stable right now, we like each other. Most people in the Big 12 want to stay in the Big 12. It's the right time to make progress.”

There is not a lot of new ideas here, but it adds more credibility to the existing speculation.

They are just quoting Barry Trammel's article from the other day.

Schools can be standing in front of the Big 12 doors all they want with papers ready to sign, but it will all come down to the data.

BYU and Boise State west.
Cincinnati and East Carolina/UCF/USF on the east.

Could they be targeting 14?

I read on Reddit that Kansas and Kansas State made less in tier 3 tv contract while Boise State made more overall for their tv contract, bowl appearance and the MWC pool of money. Imagine how much more they could be making in the Big 12 with the tv contract? Since most of Boise's games are already on ESPN, it makes good sense.

The better football products on the west are Boise State, BYU, UNR, Colorado State and San Diego State. Air Force and New Mexico is getting there.

Central are North Dakota State, Arkansas State and Houston.

Midwest are Toledo, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Cincinnati and Ohio U.

Southeast are Georgia Southern, UCF, USF, Memphis, Chattanooga and Jacksonville State.

East are Appalachian State, Towson, Richmond, East Carolina, James Madison and Temple.

I could rule out the FCS schools and SBC and most of the MAC. If it in football strength? UConn does not have the case to be in the running. It seems the reports keep contradicting itself ruling UConn in, and then ruling them out.

(02-18-2016 07:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  BYU and Boise State west.
Cincinnati and East Carolina/UCF/USF on the east.

Could they be targeting 14?

I read on Reddit that Kansas and Kansas State made less in tier 3 tv contract while Boise State made more overall for their tv contract, bowl appearance and the MWC pool of money. Imagine how much more they could be making in the Big 12 with the tv contract? Since most of Boise's games are already on ESPN, it makes good sense.

The better football products on the west are Boise State, BYU, UNR, Colorado State and San Diego State. Air Force and New Mexico is getting there.

Central are North Dakota State, Arkansas State and Houston.

Midwest are Toledo, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Cincinnati and Ohio U.

Southeast are Georgia Southern, UCF, USF, Memphis, Chattanooga and Jacksonville State.

East are Appalachian State, Towson, Richmond, East Carolina, James Madison and Temple.

I could rule out the FCS schools and SBC and most of the MAC. If it in football strength? UConn does not have the case to be in the running. It seems the reports keep contradicting itself ruling UConn in, and then ruling them out.

What you're failing to see is that Arkansas Tech is clearly in at #11....but who will join them at #12???? Southeast Southern Alabama State...? Northeast Tennessee Baptist College...? Eastern Presbyterian Kentucky College...? Seems like all great candidates but who emerges out of those 3?????

(02-18-2016 07:52 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 07:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  BYU and Boise State west.
Cincinnati and East Carolina/UCF/USF on the east.

Could they be targeting 14?

I read on Reddit that Kansas and Kansas State made less in tier 3 tv contract while Boise State made more overall for their tv contract, bowl appearance and the MWC pool of money. Imagine how much more they could be making in the Big 12 with the tv contract? Since most of Boise's games are already on ESPN, it makes good sense.

The better football products on the west are Boise State, BYU, UNR, Colorado State and San Diego State. Air Force and New Mexico is getting there.

Central are North Dakota State, Arkansas State and Houston.

Midwest are Toledo, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Cincinnati and Ohio U.

Southeast are Georgia Southern, UCF, USF, Memphis, Chattanooga and Jacksonville State.

East are Appalachian State, Towson, Richmond, East Carolina, James Madison and Temple.

I could rule out the FCS schools and SBC and most of the MAC. If it in football strength? UConn does not have the case to be in the running. It seems the reports keep contradicting itself ruling UConn in, and then ruling them out.

What you're failing to see is that Arkansas Tech is clearly in at #11....but who will join them at #12???? Southeast Southern Alabama State...? Northeast Tennessee Baptist College...? Eastern Presbyterian Kentucky College...? Seems like all great candidates but who emerges out of those 3?????

it is either Austin College or Austin Presbyterian Seminary to lock up the Austin market (even though Austin College is in Sherman)

or there is an outside chance of Houston Baptist and St Thomas to lock up the Houston market since UH is going to the Big 10, PAC 12, ACC or SEC

Add Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, and UConn

I'd be in favor of adding 4, I'd hope we change our name though.

(02-18-2016 08:13 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 07:52 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 07:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  BYU and Boise State west.
Cincinnati and East Carolina/UCF/USF on the east.

Could they be targeting 14?

I read on Reddit that Kansas and Kansas State made less in tier 3 tv contract while Boise State made more overall for their tv contract, bowl appearance and the MWC pool of money. Imagine how much more they could be making in the Big 12 with the tv contract? Since most of Boise's games are already on ESPN, it makes good sense.

The better football products on the west are Boise State, BYU, UNR, Colorado State and San Diego State. Air Force and New Mexico is getting there.

Central are North Dakota State, Arkansas State and Houston.

Midwest are Toledo, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Cincinnati and Ohio U.

Southeast are Georgia Southern, UCF, USF, Memphis, Chattanooga and Jacksonville State.

East are Appalachian State, Towson, Richmond, East Carolina, James Madison and Temple.

I could rule out the FCS schools and SBC and most of the MAC. If it in football strength? UConn does not have the case to be in the running. It seems the reports keep contradicting itself ruling UConn in, and then ruling them out.

What you're failing to see is that Arkansas Tech is clearly in at #11....but who will join them at #12???? Southeast Southern Alabama State...? Northeast Tennessee Baptist College...? Eastern Presbyterian Kentucky College...? Seems like all great candidates but who emerges out of those 3?????

it is either Austin College or Austin Presbyterian Seminary to lock up the Austin market (even though Austin College is in Sherman)

or there is an outside chance of Houston Baptist and St Thomas to lock up the Houston market since UH is going to the Big 10, PAC 12, ACC or SEC

#11College of Christ: Louisiana, and #12 UH-Austin. Now the new branch of Houston in Austin won't be built until after the basketball arena is renovated, the new Houston medical school has been funded, broken ground, and completed, but I've read on here from Coog fans that it's a simple thing and the 50 billion needed to build had been raised already. Cheers!

(02-19-2016 10:56 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  I'd be in favor of adding 4, I'd hope we change our name though.

Doesn't the Big12 already own the rights to "Big14"? I see several important long-term reasons for adding 4 instead of 2 schools: mainly increased stability, market-size and maintaining voting power among the "P5".

(02-19-2016 11:12 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 10:56 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  I'd be in favor of adding 4, I'd hope we change our name though.

Doesn't the Big12 already own the rights to "Big14"? I see several important long-term reasons for adding 4 instead of 2 schools: mainly increased stability, market-size and maintaining voting power among the "P5".

Yes the do Gray and to the Big 16, also.

(02-19-2016 11:12 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 10:56 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  I'd be in favor of adding 4, I'd hope we change our name though.

Doesn't the Big12 already own the rights to "Big14"? I see several important long-term reasons for adding 4 instead of 2 schools: mainly increased stability, market-size and maintaining voting power among the "P5".

I just did a trademark search on the USPTO website. It looks like they first filed for "Big 14" in 1997 and last abandoned it in 2012. Nobody else has filed for it, so it ought to be up for grabs if they want it again.

If they add 2, I'm going with UC/UConn, no doubt about it.

If they add 4, you can look at CSU and BYU, but realistically, I don't think they want to go that route. It's either an East or West deal.

4 out East, and I think Houston is a lock at 13... unless they take both USF/UCF together. Otherwise, 14 would come down to Memphis/ECU/UCF/Tulane.

East division could be something like:

TCU, Baylor, WVU, UC, UConn, UCF, USF (or Houston/Memphis if they don't go to Florida).

I think adding two Florida schools gives you a lot more stability than Memphis/Houston. Ultimately I don't see them going to 14. Boise St has zero chance of getting in... sorry Boise fans.

(02-19-2016 11:36 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 11:12 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 10:56 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  I'd be in favor of adding 4, I'd hope we change our name though.

Doesn't the Big12 already own the rights to "Big14"? I see several important long-term reasons for adding 4 instead of 2 schools: mainly increased stability, market-size and maintaining voting power among the "P5".

I just did a trademark search on the USPTO website. It looks like they first filed for "Big 14" in 1997 and last abandoned it in 2012. Nobody else has filed for it, so it ought to be up for grabs if they want it again.

I wonder if the big ten would ever go for the big 14, unless they plan on expanding even more.

Well if we see them go to 14 then I would be going after TV markets in Houston , Central Florida, Cincinnati, and Memphis. Houston being yet another Texas team, but one of the largest TV markets in the country hands down and ready to compete. The other three bring new TV'S amongst households that would generally go towards other conferences not to mention new recruiting territory in Tennessee, Ohio and Florida. I seriously don't think they will go past 12, but if they do I would think they would hit up what they are lacking with TV markets being a strong suit with the four I mentioned.

(02-19-2016 11:41 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 11:36 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 11:12 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 10:56 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  I'd be in favor of adding 4, I'd hope we change our name though.

Doesn't the Big12 already own the rights to "Big14"? I see several important long-term reasons for adding 4 instead of 2 schools: mainly increased stability, market-size and maintaining voting power among the "P5".

I just did a trademark search on the USPTO website. It looks like they first filed for "Big 14" in 1997 and last abandoned it in 2012. Nobody else has filed for it, so it ought to be up for grabs if they want it again.

I wonder if the big ten would ever go for the big 14, unless they plan on expanding even more.

I thought that I read a few years ago that the Big Ten has the rights to the "Big 16" name. Their logo already looks like it has "16" in it.

(02-19-2016 11:58 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 11:41 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 11:36 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 11:12 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 10:56 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  I'd be in favor of adding 4, I'd hope we change our name though.

Doesn't the Big12 already own the rights to "Big14"? I see several important long-term reasons for adding 4 instead of 2 schools: mainly increased stability, market-size and maintaining voting power among the "P5".

I just did a trademark search on the USPTO website. It looks like they first filed for "Big 14" in 1997 and last abandoned it in 2012. Nobody else has filed for it, so it ought to be up for grabs if they want it again.

I wonder if the big ten would ever go for the big 14, unless they plan on expanding even more.

I thought that I read a few years ago that the Big Ten has the rights to the "Big 16" name. Their logo already looks like it has "16" in it.

I just did a search of the USPTO trademark database: the B1G does not claim the Big 16. I did confirm the post above that the Big 12 *HAD* three past applications for "Big 14", but each has been abandoned - the last being abandoned in September 2012.

USPTO (TESS) Search

(02-19-2016 11:33 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 11:12 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 10:56 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  I'd be in favor of adding 4, I'd hope we change our name though.

Doesn't the Big12 already own the rights to "Big14"? I see several important long-term reasons for adding 4 instead of 2 schools: mainly increased stability, market-size and maintaining voting power among the "P5".

Yes the do Gray and to the Big 16, also.

Edited to not say the same thing that has been said 6 times already.